AZ - Gabriel Johnson, 8 months, 26 Dec 2009 - last seen in Texas - #6

[redfish]

The way I see it is:

She darn sure could have legally started the ball rolling in TX... Birth certificate with only her name etc. She could legally have gone in and surrendered her parental rights and handed over her baby. Only AFTER the fact would anyone been the wiser.

Yes the rest of you are also right, by now there would be evidence of it showing up in court... but probably not right away. But he very well could have been put into the system there. Maybe that is why LE is confident that Gabe is OK. Maybe it is now showing up.

Now that there is a new birth certificate any adoption would probably not stand up in court.

on the other hand... maybe this is not through the legal channels and would never show up in ANY court. It is also possible the EJ would not be aware it was or was not legal??? Still lots of room for possibilities.

 

[BeanE]

You can not give up your rights to a child by just walking into an office and claiming to be anyone you want to be!

This is becoming ludicrous, isn't it.

ETA: And that is not at all helpful to Gabriel.

ETA again: Bratlings, I want to clarify that I do not mean that your post is not helpful to Gabriel. Your post actually is, since it is factual.

 

[Shear22]

I don't believe Elizabeth would have used a fake name in an adoption or a fake birth certificate. I think she used her real name and the agency is bound by the privacy act not to release her information, especially if she did a closed adoption.

I don't agree with the moral integrity or lack thereof in underhanded adoptions but the fact is Texas makes it very easy and I believe that is exactly why EJ came to Texas.

I'm sure LE could get a warrant to get those adoption records in no time flat if that were the case. Also, Texas isn't the only state that allows fathers to relinquish their rights by notification. I think all states do. Otherwise, a mother who honestly doesn't know the father of her child (say, she was raped, for example) would have no way to give her baby up for adoption. The putative father registry is actually a way for fathers to protect their rights and prevent that a baby is adopted out from under them without their consent.

 

[RJA00]

when my son bio mother signed her rights away, she had 10 day from the date she signed to change her mind.

she gave a father name, he had helped raise him from birth but he was not listed on the birth cert, so, they did a dna test. it came back 0 percent chance

she had no more names to give, so they ran it the paper. with her name, time of conectopion. she did give another name and they sent letters to every I will say "jon doe" and they called all listed . no one claimed to be the father, then she said that is not the name, i dont know the name. so they ran it in the paper


the father had 30 days from the last run date in the paper to come forward.

does tx have to run it in the paper when the birth cert is blank.
if so we would have to search every paper in tx for the public announcement

 

[Grace1984]

I kow a little about placing a child up for adoption in Texas. My middle daughter got pregnant at 15 and placed her son up for adoption. We used a private adoption agency.

Her birth certificate and social security card was needed. The father did not want to sign the papers so her son stayed in foster care until he finally did sign the papers and then her son was placed with the family she chose.
I know when we were researching agencies to use we did find a lot that said she could just not name the father and it would be a more simple process. There were even some agencies that offered to pay her quite a bit of money...

I don't know if she had had a lot of money on her when she was arrested but if she didn't she most likely didn't use an adoption agency...MOO.

 

[mum]

The way I see it is:

She darn sure could have legally started the ball rolling in TX... Birth certificate with only her name etc. She could legally have gone in and surrendered her parental rights and handed over her baby. Only AFTER the fact would anyone been the wiser.

Yes the rest of you are also right, by now there would be evidence of it showing up in court... but probably not right away. But he very well could have been put into the system there. Maybe that is why LE is confident that Gabe is OK. Maybe it is now showing up.

Now that there is a new birth certificate any adoption would probably not stand up in court.

on the other hand... maybe this is not through the legal channels and would never show up in ANY court. It is also possible the EJ would not be aware it was or was not legal??? Still lots of room for possibilities.

And also as I stated earlier Adoption Serives Associates can legally place a baby outside of the country. If that is the case then adoption is handled very differently.

 

[Ransom]

As I stated before, I think she had a plan, but because of her text about killing Gabriel,,it all blew up and that is why the media everyone else is involved.

If you want to read up on what goes on with birth father rights in the US, please see this guys site. http://www.babyselling.com/

Also she does not have to appear in court, the notary can be someone from the agency as are the witnesses.

BBM ... in Texas she does, but that's moot since there was no time for her to do anything "legal" or this so called "closed adoption" in Texas. Such bunk. Sorry, but that's my opinion.

Read it. NONE of it has one thing to do with TEXAS or ARIZONA. JMO

 

[sc2714]

What I'm having trouble understanding is why Elizabeth would sit in jail, if Gabriel is alive. You would think that once her plan, is there ever was a plan, was foiled by LE and Logan, she would come clean to avoid getting sent to jail. I can't help but fear the worst.

 

[Blue_Dolphin308]

Ok you all! As much as I would like to stay up and help you, I am whooped. Good job to everyone for coming together to help this little boy. Hopefully we will hear better news tomorow!

 

[momtective]

What I'm having trouble understanding is why Elizabeth would sit in jail, if Gabriel is alive. You would think that once her plan, is there ever was a plan, was foiled by LE and Logan, she would come clean to avoid getting sent to jail. I can't help but fear the worst.

Maybe she has talked to her attorney by now and we will have some answers tomorrow.

 

[RJA00]

What I'm having trouble understanding is why Elizabeth would sit in jail, if Gabriel is alive. You would think that once her plan, is there ever was a plan, was foiled by LE and Logan, she would come clean to avoid getting sent to jail. I can't help but fear the worst.

not sure what her mental state is

but from what i heard so far,
she probably sitting there thinking, she will never get him back or she dont want him. and she is going to make dang sure the father dont get him back if she has to sit there until the end of time

just my opinion

she has lost her control over the father

My son bio mom has two more younger children then my son, and she keeps her right to them so she can have control over the babies father

 

[Ransom]

And also as I stated earlier Adoption Serives Associates can legally place a baby outside of the country. If that is the case then adoption is handled very differently.

You need to read your own link

http://www.adoptionservicesassociates.org/

SHOW me where a single mother (without) the father's consent can "adopt" out her own child (since you seem to have backed off her assumed name thingy and no SS#) ... legally and where would this agency fit in????? TIA.

 

[Prof]

Really late but transfering this from the previous thread

BBM. I had to take my daughter to the Dr today and we had to drive right past the Quality Inn where she stayed. It's less than 7 miles from Raymond Russell Park.

I'm going to try to add a screen shot. . .wish me luck. (crosses fingers)

Hey it worked!! . .sorta. The Home Gate is about 15 miles depending on the route she took. The little push pin at the bottom is the approximate locale of the Motel 6. That's is about 30 miles from the park.

There are two Homegates and I am fairly sure that she stayed at the one right near the Motel 6 and Tornado Bus station - I looked it up

It is not this one 10950 Laureate Drive
It is the Homegate Studios and Suites here 11221 San Pedro Avenue
So, again I wondered why she would drive 30 miles to a park that is used mostly for group events

 

[Ransom]

Maybe she has talked to her attorney by now and we will have some answers tomorrow.

I so hope. I so hope someone can talk sense to this 23 year old nutter. Please and thank you to Elizabeth Johnson ..... spill it woman!!rayer:rayer:

 

[Ransom]

Going to bed now. Blessings for Gabriel. Please let him be found safe and sound. PLEASE.

 

[Bratlings]

I don't believe Elizabeth would have used a fake name in an adoption or a fake birth certificate. I think she used her real name and the agency is bound by the privacy act not to release her information, especially if she did a closed adoption.

I don't agree with the moral integrity or lack thereof in underhanded adoptions but the fact is Texas makes it very easy and I believe that is exactly why EJ came to Texas.

Closed adoptions still have to go through courts.

 

[Bratlings]

This is becoming ludicrous, isn't it.

ETA: And that is not at all helpful to Gabriel.

I totally agree.

 

[mum]

You need to read your own link

http://www.adoptionservicesassociates.org/

SHOW me where a single mother (without) the father's consent can "adopt" out her own child (since you seem to have backed off her assumed name thingy and no SS#) ... legally and where would this agency fit in????? TIA.

Not sure what to say at this point.
Why would it be on that link?
I post that link more then once,,but you must not have seen the orginal post. And I just posted it again to show that this agency, in SA, which is close to the HOme Gate where she stayed, can legally place a baby outside of the country.

Assumed name thingy and SS# question was not directed at me. I don't think she used an assume name, and I am sure she would need to use her SS# and don't see why she wouldn't have.

 

[mum]

Really late but transfering this from the previous thread



There are two Homegates and I am fairly sure that she stayed at the one right near the Motel 6 and Tornado Bus station - I looked it up

It is not this one 10950 Laureate Drive
It is the Homegate Studios and Suites here 11221 San Pedro Avenue
So, again I wondered why she would drive 30 miles to a park that is used mostly for group events

Yami Virgin said it was the one by the HWY, the park and SIx Flags and it was verified.

 

[BeanE]

Every link here has said "LE/FBI has said they believe Gabriel is alive" which drive me nuts since "they" know something we don't. I'm so nosey and I want to know what they know. They aren't tell us. :banghead:

There is a plethora of media saying that, but I have yet to see a single statement from LE saying they believe Gabriel is alive. Rather, what I have seen LE say is that they "hope" Gabriel is alive, and that they "are optimistic" that Gabriel is alive.

If there is a statement from LE saying something else, I would very much appreciate receiving it. I have literally worried myself sick about Gabriel, and I would appreciate a bit more hope.