AZ - Isabel Mercedes Celis, 6, Tucson, 20 April 2012 - #12

[marazul]

IDK, it just doesn't seem that 'off' to me. My first thought would be "get the police here" and I certainly would be running outside to look for my child.

Also you have to remember what a panic they must have been in after realizing Isabel was gone.

I have done that. My youngest daughter shoved a crayon piece very far up her nose past where I could reach it, and her hysterical crying was sucking it up further, I understand this was probably not life threatening, but I was a young mom alone with my girls, so I had my oldest call 911 and start talking while I tried to calm my little one down. I eventually took the phone and gave more information, long story short once she calmed down, I got it out with tweezers, called 911 back and told them we were fine..
Not nearly the same type of emergency, but still the same reaction of delegating 911 to someone else while you do other things (help the injured, search for the missing, etc.)

Sergio was just waking Isa up, we don't KNOW that he had his cell phone in his pocket, he could have been in PJ pants, he could have ran outside and told a son to call 911. I could understand him thinking "just GET THE POLICE HERE I will explain all the details when they arrive.." and not worrying that the person gives a perfect description or timeline, just getting LE out to the house to deal with the situation...JMO

 

[oceanblueeyes]

IMO, when a four-year-old calls 911, it is ususally to report that "Mommy won't wake up".

If there is an adult available, they would probably not leave it to a child to make the call.

That is true but they still are very capable when talking with the 911 operator so that certainly means a 10 or 14 year old would be.

I dont think there was an adult available in the home. I think Sergio rushed out along wth the uncle and was frantically looking for Isa and told whoever was left at their home at the time to call 911.

Just like Mark did not waste time calling 911 when he flew out the door to search for Jessica.

I think it was most likely the 14 year old son and imo when the call is released, I think it will show he was very competent to make such a call. JMO

I just see no red flags about this whatsoever.



IMO

 

[Shelby2]

In the age of the cellphone it is possible to call 911 and search at the same time.

When I have called 911 from my cellphone I get the MA State Police, not my local police.

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

Since this is the 12th thread on Isabel's disappearance, and I doubt that I have read every post on every thread, I might have missed a description of the border crossing into Mexico south of Tucson. How many border crossings are there from AZ into Mexico? Are there guards, surveillance video, toll booths, etc.? Does everyone have to show ID? Is a passport required? I've been to Mexico several times but only as a cruise passenger or on direct flights to Cancun, so I don't know what the borders are like on land.

 

[Pensfan]

It was either on Isabel or it's still in the house. I'm not really seeing the significance. If Isabel was taken alive, she's probably had her appearance altered. If it's in the house, she could have very easily changed. Kids put on different clothes all the time - she's not a non-mobile baby. When I was a kid, my parents would send me to bed in one thing and some mornings I'd wake up in something different if I become hot or cold in the middle of the night. In my opinion, the location of the tank top isn't very significant.

The significance is that Isabel's missing child posters state she was last seen wearing a blue tank top. The "sister" stated she/he? last saw Isabel in a pink tank top. When mom arrived home from work, mom had to get this information straightened out with LE. Is someone lying about what Isabel was wearing when last seen alive?

 

[AnaTeresa]

The significance is that Isabel's missing child posters state she was last seen wearing a blue tank top. The "sister" stated she/he? last saw Isabel in a pink tank top. When mom arrived home from work apparently mom had to get this information straightened out with LE. Is someone lying about what Isabel was last wearing WHEN SHE WAS ALIVE?

I don't know why you'd jump to lying. Witness reliability is notoriously low when it comes to clothing, if it's not something you're looking to pay attention to. Add in the fact that this is an older child, not a baby or toddler, then there's also a strong possibility the child changed clothes themselves. I don't think these natural inconsistencies necessarily point to lies or coverups.

 

[cluciano63]

Isabel may have worn a pink top to the game...
I really don't think that discrepancies in a 911 call have to mean anything sinister.
However I do not understand why it has to be a mystery/ state secret as to who made the call.

 

[Pensfan]

I don't know why you'd jump to lying. Witness reliability is notoriously low when it comes to clothing, if it's not something you're looking to pay attention to. Add in the fact that this is an older child, not a baby or toddler, then there's also a strong possibility the child changed clothes themselves. I don't think these natural inconsistencies necessarily point to lies or coverups.

There have been cases wear the clothing of the victim/bed linens were washed/discarded to stage the crime scene to detour LE from the obvious suspect.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I wouldn't "normally" dote on a 911 call or who made it, but in this case, everyone has been so obsessively secret about this call that it raises my hackles. When asked about the 911 call, Sergio very carefully answered the question (in the local media interview) with "911 was called within ten minutes". It was obvious to me he had planned this answer. And LE will not talk about who made the 911 call. It's just weird that this is a secret. I can't think of any other case where the question of who called 911 is a mystery. What's the big secret and why?

Add to that the assumption (from the scanner chatter) that Sergio did not make the 911 call, and it reinforces my feeling of this being part of a thought-out and orchestrated plan. Certainly it's feasible that a panicking parent would tell their kid to call 911 while he looked for the child, but, combined with the other 'weirdnesses' of this case, it feels significant.

Every day I try to convince myself that the parents have no involvement, but by the end of each day, I'm back to thinking that they are.

And then every day I tell myself, "LE has the goods on whoever is responsible for this child's disappearance. They know what happened, they're just crossing their i's and dotting their t's to be able to successfully prosecute. Today may be the day they come down with the big kibosh and arrest the bad guy(s)." But then every day passes without it.

Where is this child???

I think LE fought releasing the 911 call because it was a minor making the call and it was about a kidnapping and not about 'mommy (daddy) wont wake up" 911 call.

I saw one case where the 911 tape was never released to the public and not even in the trial. The Judge ruled it too prejudicial against the defendant and it was made by the murdered woman's husband who wasnt the defendant but he was the one that found his wife murdered. She said it could incite the passions of the jury.

Everyday I am more and more convinved that the Celis parents or other family members have nothing to do with the disappearance of Isa. And today I read that the PC told the reporters he believed very early on that this is a legitimate kidnapping which just enforces my beliefs I have held for weeks now.

I dont think LE has a clue who took Isa from her own bedroom. They have said they have no suspects and I believe them even though I wish they did.

IMO

 

[LisaB]

:floorlaugh:

I think she is talking about this case, she is correct about the car that was not being used for whatever reason.

I don't know where that smiley came from???

Correct there, but dogs tracked SIERRA LAMAR to her driveway. I do not believe we know ANYTHING about what the dogs in theh Isabel Celis case did, other than to provide information, which has not been shared with us..

 

[Pensfan]

I think LE fought releasing the 911 call because it was a minor making the call and it was about a kidnapping and not about 'mommy (daddy) wont wake up" 911 call.

I saw one case where the 911 tape was never released to the public and not even in the trial. The Judge ruled it too prejudicial against the defendant and it was made by the murdered woman's husband who wasnt the defendant. She said it could encite the passions of the jury.

Everyday I am more and more convinved that the Celis parents or other family members have nothing to do with the disappearance of Isa. And today I read that the PC told the reporters he believed very early on that this is a legitimate kidnapping which just enforces my beliefs I have held for weeks now.

I dont think LE has a clue who took Isa from her own bedroom. They have said they have no suspects and I believe them even though I wish they did.

IMO

The BAU arrived in Tucson and didn't interview the family for days. It is unknown IF the BAU ever interviewed the family. After the BAU left, the organized LE searches around the neighborhood seemed to stop and the focus was back on the immediate family.

I think the cadaver dog hit inside the home and the BAU knew a real kidnapper wasn't going to kill his victim and then abduct a dead body.....through an open window, over a 5 foot fence, among 3 barking dogs, and in a neighborhood with multiple security cameras.

 

[Shelby2]

Another question who pays the 1 million dollars they say this investigation is costing?

I would hope that if my child was missing they would spend whatever they had too...
ANY child for that matter!

 

[oceanblueeyes]

The BAU arrived in Tucson and didn't interview the family for days. It is unknown IF the BAU ever interviewed the family. After the BAU left, the organized LE searches around the neighborhood seemed to stop and the focus
was back on the immediate family.

I think the cadaver dog hit inside the home and the BAU knew a real kidnapper wasn't going to kill his victim and then steal a dead body.

I dont think so and there is no evidence that the cadaver dog hit.

After BAU came in the fliers were put up in Mexico and the Mexican authorities notified.

I havent seen lately where the focus has been on the immediate family. In fact Sgt. Hawke didnt even mention immediate family when she said they were continuing to investigate others such as extended family, friends, social aquaintances that may have been around Isa due to the Celis family being a very social family, neighbors etc.

Sure sounds like to me they are thinking she was kidnapped by someone....

IMO

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I would hope that if my child was missing they would spend whatever they had too...
ANY child for that matter!

They have spent even more than that in other cases of missing children.

I would hope LE would spend every dime necessary trying to find my child.

IMO

 

[Shelby2]

Correct there, but dogs tracked SIERRA LAMAR to her driveway. I do not believe we know ANYTHING about what the dogs in theh Isabel Celis case did, other than to provide information, which has not been shared with us..

Right. I think the poster was asking if it was possible-not stating it as fact.

 

[cluciano63]

I don't think LE is making a point about the money spent as it being too much, but rather to indicate that despite the lack of results, they are doing everything possible...JMO

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Correct there, but dogs tracked SIERRA LAMAR to her driveway. I do not believe we know ANYTHING about what the dogs in theh Isabel Celis case did, other than to provide information, which has not been shared with us..

This LE is from AZ and a lot of LE doesnt release any information and then some in another state or even in a different county will.

But most of the time they say nothing......just like in Isa's case.

IMO

 

[CinnamonGirl]

I would hope that if my child was missing they would spend whatever they had too...
ANY child for that matter!

I would hope so too if it were my child but I am asking who is responsible for paying the million dollars, the Celis family or the state of Arizona.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I don't think LE is making a point about the money spent as it being too much, but rather to indicate that despite the lack of results, they are doing everything possible...JMO

ITA!

LE usually mentions how much money has been spent.

That shows me they have done a lot of leg work and searches too even though they are not the type to release where they search but they are continuing to get tips and will continue to check those out.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I would hope so too if it were my child but I am asking who is responsible for paying the million dollars, the Celis family or the state of Arizona.

The State of Arizona and probably the county. That is one of the reasons taxpayers pay taxes and LE have budgets that covers something like this. If they think they need more money outside of their existing budget they will go to the county commissioners and get more money allocated for the search.

IMO