AZ - Isabel Mercedes Celis, 6, Tucson, 20 April 2012 - #20

[simlyme]

Is it possible that we should be curious about the items we know about that are not in these reports?

That's where I am right now...lol

My thought on why they didnt go into the neighbors report is because she mentioned hearing about them being involved in cartel, they are not going to put out there what/who they may be investigating in a cartel, they're making it very clear that they are investigating every lead, but, they arent going to give us their main or dangerous leads. KMIM?

 

[Prof]

The inconsistencies in when RC actually left for work are upsetting.

For some reason, that does not bother me... but I understand why it is bothersome.. If I have to be somewhere where I go on a regular basis, I know exactly what time I leave. However, in the emergencies of my life, I am not so sure I'd be exact in my recall of details. I guess I give them this one.

 

[Zuckerschnecke]

Hi, does anyone know how the docs can be opened? I am trying on my iPhone and iPad but no dice. Strange format they must be in... Thanks!

 

[johnQpublic]

Take a look at pdf #2, Page 71 ... This really bothers me. The officer on sight at the Celis home while waiting for detectives apparently did'nt even think to keep people from cleaning the home, from how I read it Celeste cleaned the kitchen.. wonder what else got cleaned up, did she clean off the door knobs and stuff... i mean come on... why would you be cleaning anything in a home where a crime just happened. dumb, just plain dumb.

 

[mamamia54]

Hi, does anyone know how the docs can be opened? I am trying on my iPhone and iPad but no dice. Strange format they must be in... Thanks!

They are pdf files.

 

[Dee10]

I would agree with you Prof if she was not going to work. She knew what time her shift was to start & how long it takes to get there...I see no logical reason she wouldn't know when she left for work, unless she was called in on an emergency.

 

[Knox]

This is really nagging at me.

Here is why...he is stating this when? When did he have a chance to gather this information? Did he talk to the neighbor? Maybe his brother did, I suppose. Why did it seem in the report that he spoke of it as it was known, and in the same report state that his dogs bark at strangers...
I guess it boils down to when he made this statement?

I guess you're right. Someone else could have relayed this information to him and either they or he omitted the barking.

But the neighbor, IIRC from the very beginning talked about the dogs "going crazy". Not likely she omitted that when when telling her story to anyone. It's what woke her up, then she noticed the male voices. When telling a story, most people stay in sequential order of events.

Sergio states the dogs did not bark that night. Strange did he not hear them at 6:00 AM, merely minutes after he got in bed with Becky?

 

[cluciano63]

AHHHHH...document dump into Isa's single thread (well, 2 threads now)...couldn't keep up before the dump...

Any chance of Isa getting her own forum? :angel:

JMO but I can't deal with forums...they don't have general discussion threads usually and there just seems to be less action on them...I know I don't post on them as a rule, as the topics don't fit what I am thinking about yet doesn't warrant a separate thread either...anyway JMO...I know it is not up to me, lol.

 

[Anita Richman]

Take a look at pdf #2, Page 71 ... This really bothers me. The officer on sight at the Celis home while waiting for detectives apparently did'nt even think to keep people from cleaning the home, from how I read it Celeste cleaned the kitchen.. wonder what else got cleaned up, did she clean off the door knobs and stuff... i mean come on... why would you be cleaning anything in a home where a crime just happened. dumb, just plain dumb.

I saw that and thought that she had nervous energy and wanted to "help". She probably didn't even think about the possibility that she was destroying evidence. Poor thing probably felt like a moron, afterwards!
:moo:

 

[mamamia54]

There are some docs that we have done screen shots of that you can just read here
AZ Isabel Mercedes Celis, 6, Tucson, 20 April 2012 Media & Document Dump (No Discussion) - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

 

[Prof]

Hi, does anyone know how the docs can be opened? I am trying on my iPhone and iPad but no dice. Strange format they must be in... Thanks!

http://www.adobe.com/

I am not sure...but PDF is made by Adobe, so they might have an answer?


ETA http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/adobepdf.html

ETA2: another option is to read selected screenshots of reports by our posters here
AZ Isabel Mercedes Celis, 6, Tucson, 20 April 2012 Media & Document Dump (No Discussion) - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

 

[desertgal]

I agree revenge seems unlikely, cartel even more so, its not their MO to kidnap and worry you, they do gruesome in your face horrific stuff, headless bodies. This seems like it has a simple answer...cant get some of SCs words out of my head.

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[soyesterday]

Hi guys I've been on and off all night but i am so behind. I know i've asked this question before...a while back..maybe even more than once. If someone answered and i missed it, thank you for answering and i'm so sorry for asking again. Ok, so i haven't been able to read any of the documents yet (ugghhh), so i was hoping it's ok to just ask if anyone knows (either by reading the documents OR if you just know). Here's my question. Didn't a man and his son come to the Celis house that morning while the police were there wanting to say something or report something? If that's true, does anyone know what he said or reported and who he was? Also, is there anything in the document stuff about it at all?
Thanks.
*still trying to get caught up*

 

[Knox]

http://www.adobe.com/

I am not sure...but PDF is made by Adobe, so they might have an answer?


ETA http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/adobepdf.html

ETA2: another option is to read selected screenshots of reports by our posters here
AZ Isabel Mercedes Celis, 6, Tucson, 20 April 2012 Media & Document Dump (No Discussion) - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

I think you just need to download Adobe Reader. It's free ...

http://get.adobe.com/reader/

 

[Pensfan]

The only reasons I can think of for Celeste to "clean" the crime scene:
- she was purposefully cleaning things in the crime scene to protect the family and/or make them "appear" to have a clean, healthy home (a well-practiced enabler?)
- she didn't have the mental faculties to know that she should be out looking for a missing six-year-old child instead of washing the dishes

 

[Prof]

Knox, I think you quoted my post instead of the poster's post who needed help ...jfyi

 

[johnQpublic]

The only reasons I can think of for Celeste to "clean" the crime scene:
- she was purposefully cleaning things in the crime scene to protect the family and/or make them "appear" to have a clean, healthy home (a well-practiced enabler?)
- she didn't have the mental faculties to know that she should be out looking for a missing six-year-old child instead of washing the dishes

I really don't know but sounds pretty tweaker to me. either way what a dumb a$$ OIC to even have let people in the home prior to detectives being on site... IMO he is dumber than Celeste

 

[Knox]

Knox, I think you quoted my post instead of the poster's post who needed help ...jfyi

Hopefully they will read down and it will make sense.

Good night all, thank you for the screenshots and posts about the relevant portions of the documents. My Verizon air card was acting up tonight and I could not get the files download.

 

[johnQpublic]

After reading all what I've read thus far pdf 1 and 2 ... I can kinda see why LE released it .. It shows alot of frustraition, misdirection, bs from public and it also points out a great deal of poss. avenues. It also somewhat points out signs of evidence tampering and cover up angles that lead them to not be able to exclude family. I am wondering what may have been found in SC's bloodwork and if that could have played a part in the separation agreement.

 

[Prof]

The only reasons I can think of for Celeste to "clean" the crime scene:
- she was purposefully cleaning things in the crime scene to protect the family and/or make them "appear" to have a clean, healthy home (a well-practiced enabler?)
- she didn't have the mental faculties to know that she should be out looking for a missing six-year-old child instead of washing the dishes

Pens, I am really interested on your take on this doc dump, if it changed your view at all, and any general observations you would care to share.

This is such a complex case.

Even if you do not respond, I wanted say that.