AZ - Isabel Mercedes Celis, 6, Tucson, 20 April 2012 - #20

[Zuckerschnecke]

Are you on a mobile device, by any chance? I'm on the iPad and I can't pull them up, either. I've never had problems opening a PDF in my reader before, though.

It's the way they uploaded them. They are imbedded pdf's, it's not like they can be downloaded. I also see when they come up on my computer that they are sideways and are huge. Oh well. This case is depressing me anyway so I guess that's a sign not to read them.

 

[Zuckerschnecke]

Couple things I noticed and I'm sure others probably did too: Dad first said he noticed the screen missing right after he checked on the boys and went back into Isa's room. Then they said the boy found the screen outside after looking outside. Which is it?

Also, the 'Uncle' or whatever the heck he is, has the address listed on E. Broadway, which to me looks very close to the family's house. He could have easily been there early, come back at noon, or been back and forth etc. in a short amount of time. Was his apt searched?

 

[~n/t~]

Why do you think that the neighbor's descriptive comments about the male voices at 6:30 am were not on this document? TIA

I haven't read the documents. I'm thinking of cloning myself x 4. Following 3 cases and tending to real life = need 4 of me.

What you posted is very interesting!! If we believe they have not released all documents, perhaps her statement has a lot more to it than what she's been saying on national television. I sort of alluded to it at one time that this young lady knows a heck of a lot more than she's saying. Personally, I think she did get up and look out her window but that's JMO.

 

[~n/t~]

What does a "crunched" screen mean? I'm trying to locate the post where I read it but now can't find it. :banghead:

 

[~n/t~]

I didn't get that sense, but they did say it doesn't "look good" for SC with the latest info coming out. And no, it doesn't.

You have blood on the driver's seat of 1 Celis car, probable blood on a shower curtain stuffed into a locked non-operating vehicle, probable blood in Isa's room, a dog hit in the house (I think it's a cadaver dog, but we'll see).

Who does this look bad for, if not the parents?

Someone covering up a crime and trying to implicate the parents?

 

[twall]

What does a "crunched" screen mean? I'm trying to locate the post where I read it but now can't find it. :banghead:

Did they mean crushed? Crushed makes more sense than crunched.
I can't locate the post but I can locate the doc where it is stated-I was just reading it. It is in PDF2, page 69. It also says the screen was "to the side of the window on the floor outside". I've never heard the ground referred to as a floor. :waitasec:

 

[~n/t~]

The screen was "scrunched" in? Interesting ....

ok found it. Bumping this up. The word used is "crunched" in the document. I agree crushed makes more sense but wondered what a crunched screen would mean?:waitasec:

 

[~n/t~]

Page 69 in PDF # 5

In regards to the window screen

http://www.tucsonnewsnow.com/link/563536/pdf-celis-5-allegations-of-owed-money-evidence-from-home

here is the document

 

[~n/t~]

I guess they mean compressed. Wonder if they got fingerprints from the screen?

 

[CinnamonGirl]

This is very sad now, I believe the poor sweet child is dead and it is looking like a family relative. I get too caught up in cases like this. I feel so sad for that little child and her brothers.

 

[~n/t~]

NG, guests, producers seemed he** bent on damning the parents tonight IMO.

The doc dump does seem like a like a litmus test today.

I suppose that is because every police report in the doc dump seemed to be following up on a tip based on some type of stand toward a theory...be it parent or stranger involvement...cartel or spaceship abduction?

Whatever the slant -- instigated a tip and played out in a report, and today the media and other audiences viewed those results to either confirm or deny whatever side of the fence they were on?

For me, it added one more confirmation to my original theory.

 

[Patty G]

I didn't get that sense, but they did say it doesn't "look good" for SC with the latest info coming out. And no, it doesn't.

You have blood on the driver's seat of 1 Celis car, probable blood on a shower curtain stuffed into a locked non-operating vehicle, probable blood in Isa's room, a dog hit in the house (I think it's a cadaver dog, but we'll see).

Who does this look bad for, if not the parents?

The only place that I heard that the vehicle is not operating is on Nancy Grace, however, I have never heard how they actually know that the vehicle is not working. Perhaps it is their "assumption" because the vehicle is parked on the side of the house.

ETA: Found the info about the vehicle indicating the car was not working. Mystery solved.


http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1204/26/ng.01.html

 

[Eileen730]

This is crazy why In the hell-o can I not see.. get to.. open.. or download ANY Of THE 6 PDF of docs?
I have never had any issue opening.. reading.. downloading the pdfs ..why are they not even showing up at all but rather when I click on link. At any site it only takes me to blank page?

Help..I understand it doesnt work onapple products likemy iPhone but I have never had an issue reading and opening the PDF on my Android tablet?

Wtf? ..I even updated my adobe reader but still nothing.. anyone know why its not working on an OS THAT Is NOT apple iOS and has never had a prob reading PDF before now..

This is ultra frustrating!

I cant either!
I was reading page one and i saved it i went back to the others and they are blank.

here is page one that i saved

http://www.tucsonnewsnow.com/link/563522/pdf-celis-1-blood-on-seat-testimony-from-neighbor

 

[Eileen730]

The only place that I heard that the vehicle is not operating is on Nancy Grace, however, I have never heard how they actually know that the vehicle is not working. Perhaps it is their "assumption" because the vehicle is parked on the side of the house.

I thought i read somewhere that the vehicle has not been moved in a long time
It just sits there.

 

[Dum-Dum Sucker]

Could he be backpedaling? He likely did not expect that his statement would be put on the internet where Sergio's and Becky's friends and their "interesting" family members would read it.

I agree with you Pensfan. It sounds like MT could be backpedaling. He's going, Roh-Roh. jmo

 

[TxLady2]

The office manager told police that Sergio Celis did not administer "anesthesia or drugs to patients, but he does prepare them for the doctors."
http://azstarnet.com/news/local/cri...cle_91fee6b2-df37-5c40-bc2a-20e15fe69299.html

Sergio, an unlicensed dental assistant, prepares anesthesia and medications for an oral surgeon? I am really hoping that this was incorrectly recorded. I hope police will return and ask for verification on the past months' inventory count compared to amount administered for those medications he has "prepared".

I hope Isabel was able to go to sleep on her own quickly at night and her disappearance was not related to a medication overdose.

IDK, but in my experience with hospitals and clinics these medications have to be strictly accounted for. They are meaured and counted at the start and end of every shift. It wouldn't be very easy to steal them, since most of the meds given prior to oral surgery are in liquid form.
I thought Sergio was a licensed surgical assistant... maybe I was wrong. Surgical assistants are not all licensed, most are certified, though. Meaning they go through a training course and must pass a state administered test to be certified. Seems to me that a reputable doctor wouldn't be using an assistant who was neither licensed nor certified. Wouldn't that be, if not illegal, at least unethical??

 

[carole]

The only place that I heard that the vehicle is not operating is on Nancy Grace, however, I have never heard how they actually know that the vehicle is not working. Perhaps it is their "assumption" because the vehicle is parked on the side of the house.

Way back at the beginning Lt. Pacheco was on NG and stated the vehicle was inoperable.

 

[Patty G]

ok found it. Bumping this up. The word used is "crunched" in the document. I agree crushed makes more sense but wondered what a crunched screen would mean?:waitasec:

Oops! :blushing: I have to admit my error using "scrunched" instead of
"crunched". I was eating dinner, recording Jane, posting, reading posts, and starting a thread in the Missing Forum. I was on over load ....

Although using the word my brain selected "Scrunched" actually makes more sense to me:
1. To crush or crunch.
2. To crumple or squeeze

 

[TxLady2]

I took it to mean he prepares the patients for the doctors, not the drugs or anesthesia. :moo:

I thought the same thing.
If the patient is put to sleep, the only one who should be preparing the meds would be the anesthesist. If they're only given local anesthetics to numb the area, he could be drawing them up in the syringe but he should not be administering them. That should only be done by the oral surgeon, because it's tricky and very easy to give too much.

 

[Dum-Dum Sucker]

The inconsistencies in when RC actually left for work are upsetting.

They sure are upsetting, Pensfan.

Constructing a precise timeline is crucial in a missing person's case. I would think that the mother would pinpoint the time she left for work. In today's digital world, this is simple to do.

I think about the Scott Peterson case. Remember Scott's next-door neighbor, Karen S, who found the Peterson's dog Mackenzie running loose?

Karen pinpointed the time she found Mackenzie to 10:18 a.m. by backtracking her movements that morning, and then reinforcing her testimony with bank and retail receipts. And this was just a neighbor, endeavoring to get her timeline exact.

So sad for Isa that her own parents will not do the same. :frown: