AZ - Isabel Mercedes Celis, 6, Tucson, 20 April 2012 - #20

[A_News_Junkie]

Thank you so much for converting the files over. Once they are completed, please add them here also:

AZ Isabel Mercedes Celis, 6, Tucson, 20 April 2012 Media & Document Dump (No Discussion) - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

so we have them neatly tucked in one place for safe keeping.

Thanks again. :rose:

Already done!!!!! I copied your post and embedded them into your post so people could choose what works for them!!!!!!! So glad I could help - I know I get my pom pom's in a wad when I can't see something others can!

arty:

 

[johnQpublic]

Someone here... Joe? said he used to disconnect people's cable TV for nonpayment (IIRC) and used to have to jump over walls like this sometimes to do so. Maybe he can tell us what footwear he wore, and perhaps it will indicate whether a cable installer or meter reader wearing work boots may have used that box to get over the fence at some point.

Typically we wore ..... Take a guess... Your readily available and oh so inexpensive Wolverine available at Walmart WITH the Steel Toe. In the Cable Industry you can burn thru some boots exp. in AZ walking on HOT rocks and climbing around wierd places.

 

[Knox]

What report indicates blood was cleaned up?

Package 5 page 58 indicates apparent blood on the floor.

IMO it is possible that the blood belonged to an intruder who cut himself on the crunched screen.

How long would it take to compare the DNA from that blood to the profiles of the family? Thinking that could be done fairly quickly? If that were the case, it would completely point to someone outside of the "nuclear" family. IMO, that doesn't seem to be the way TPD is pursuing her disappearance.

 

[Prof]

I took it to mean he prepares the patients for the doctors, not the drugs or anesthesia. :moo:

That's how I read the media paraphrase of the police report.
Has anyone found the police report that interviews the office manager where SC works?

I found the one where they interview the surgeons he works for, but not the office manager.

I will keep looking.

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

I know these are going to land in an odd place, with all of the information coming from the document dump. I apologize!

The first image is of the camera on the Celis home (which is still pointing upwards)-the camera is circled in red.

The second image (labeled "A") is the northeast corner of the Office Max, in which you can see two cameras. The camera towards the front of the building is pointing at the parking lot, in the direction of the Celis home.

The third image (labeled "B") is taken directly under the camera in image A, facing the direction that the camera is pointing. You can see the front of the Celis home (labeled C.H.)








The last image is the right side of the wooden gate. You can see the hinges which enable that side of the gate to open out, towards the street. You can also see the build-up of rock at the bottom of the gate, which looks as if it hasn't been opened recently.

There are no cameras on top of the Party City/5 Guys Burgers & Fries building.

Thank you, Anita, for taking the Photo Field Trip!:seeya:

I hope you are careful!lease:

But... IF you get caught... :jail:

I will bake you a cake with a file in it!:cake::cake:

BTW... What is your favorite cake? :wink:

 

[Taminator]

That's how I read the media paraphrase of the police report.
Has anyone found the police report that interviews the office manager where SC works?

I found the one where they interview the surgeons he works for, but not the office manager.

I will keep looking.

Hate to bring up my daughter again, but..........she's had 4 eye surgeries all at TMC. I don't know what the procedures are for dental surgeons, but the person that prepped her for the doctor brought in the gowns, took vitals, confirmed what the surgery was for, had us sign paperwork, took height and weight and prepared us for the next step with the anesthesiologist and the doctor.

ETA: I think I replied to the wrong post, but in my defense I worked all night last night and haven't been able to drag myself to bed yet. So I'm not going back to look at the one I was meaning to reply to because right now I'm too lazy. Sorry, Prof

 

[LisaB]

At the vigil, she said "our boys and my daughter"...so that sounded weird...IMO

It sounded to me like she is closer to Isabel than to the boys. They must spend a lot of time together, painting fingernails, putting on makeup, trying out hairstyles. I know a few moms who had several boys before having a daughter, and although they loved their boys, they were very excited to have someone to dress in cute little dresses and ruffled socks.

 

[katydid23]

For some reason, that does not bother me... but I understand why it is bothersome.. If I have to be somewhere where I go on a regular basis, I know exactly what time I leave. However, in the emergencies of my life, I am not so sure I'd be exact in my recall of details. I guess I give them this one.

Except, one of the instances Sergio quotes the time she left as being @ 6:47 am. That leads us to believe he had exact knowledge of her exit time. So why does it go from exactitude,to various general estimations after that? That is what bothers me.

 

[A_News_Junkie]

It was redlined out - let it go. Just let it go for now. If additional info comes out, it can be discussed at that time. For now, these are minors. We don't sleuth minors - so let it go.

I'm jumping off your post, Katy - but I am talking to everybody.

Salem

Bumping so our wonderful mods don't get mad at the discussion being picked back up. (They don't want us sleuthing the diagnosis of the minor if I read her message correct.) Salem - correct me if I am wrong!

 

[Knox]

I dont think she was drugged!
I think soon someone is going to crack and explain what happend that night!

Did you read Pen's post? She tracked the reference to the dog hit on East Cooper Street to a certain Anesthesiologist and the report of a dog barking in that area at 2:00 AM.

Could be completely coincidental and mean nothing. But in my mind, it's as valid a possibility as any others being discussed here. I won't go into detail, but if a child were being drugged for nefarious purposes and said child would not wake up.

My difficulty with that angle is another person would know what happened to Isa. Why would that person cover for Sergio?

 

[johnQpublic]

I did see JQP make a statement. He said he worked in a supervisory position for a cable company. He told Anita that sometimes a worker might have to stomp on a lid of a box like that to shut it.

How would that explain the matching prints on the gas meter on the other side of the yard?

IMO if a worker needed to get in a backyard, it would be unprofessional and dangerous to jump over a wall to a yard with dogs.

When your retrieving 900 dollar digital telephone boxes from the side of a home or trapping out the persons cable tv ... you dont stop to ask them crap about gaining access to the yard, the equipment on the wall is property of the cable company, the cable provider has the right to enter onto your property at any given time without notice to gain access to thier equipment. As far as the dog is concerned most all retrieval / disconnect techs carry both pepper spray and dog treats. Trust me... As far as the matching print on the gas meter... you never know... the same guy who shut the ped may have also come off the roof from running a cable by comming over the wall and stepping down off the gas meter. I did notice in the Electric Meter Pic that there is a cox digital phone box on the wall next to the electric meter and the cables for it run to the roof of the home intead of the ground and its possible that the conduit for the cable is located on the garage side of the house as this style home usually the cable tv junction is in the garage... At least from my experiance with installations .. thats what I see.

 

[Eileen730]

Did you read Pen's post? She tracked the reference to the dog hit on East Cooper Street to a certain Anesthesiologist and the report of a dog barking in that area at 2:00 AM.

Could be completely coincidental and mean nothing. But in my mind, it's as valid a possibility as any others being discussed here. I won't go into detail, but if a child were being drugged for nefarious purposes and said child would not wake up.

My difficulty with that angle is another person would know what happened to Isa. Why would that person cover for Sergio?

I didnt read about the dog tracking to that area.

that would mean the dog tracked Isa to that home correct?

 

[gliving]

Hi guys I've been on and off all night but i am so behind. I know i've asked this question before...a while back..maybe even more than once. If someone answered and i missed it, thank you for answering and i'm so sorry for asking again. Ok, so i haven't been able to read any of the documents yet (ugghhh), so i was hoping it's ok to just ask if anyone knows (either by reading the documents OR if you just know). Here's my question. Didn't a man and his son come to the Celis house that morning while the police were there wanting to say something or report something? If that's true, does anyone know what he said or reported and who he was? Also, is there anything in the document stuff about it at all?
Thanks.
*still trying to get caught up*

The man and his son with the last name Pike. The son is also the one who went with Isa's brother while he searched the neighborhood. Mr. Pike has given interviews and said the Celis' moved in when Isa was a baby.

 

[katydid23]

It sure would help to know where the dogs were located in the house that night. Were they in the garage? Were they in the boys' room? Were they just roaming free around the house? My dog pretty much follows our sleep pattern and sleeps in our bed--otherwise she would be barking every time the wind blows and hits the blinds smacking against the window sill!!

I couldn't find it just now when I went to look, but IIRC, I THINK maybe the next door neighbor said the dogs were outside when they were going crazy that morning. So I have always wondered if Becky might have let them out when she got up for work that morning.

 

[Knox]

I know the baseball coach is claiming he never said he thought Sergio (the father) was involved, but could he have meant to imply that he had suspicions about one of the boys? I think about "school shooters" and have to wonder... did anyone suspect their kid was dangerous? Did his parents believe he was capable of something like this before it happened?

Respectfully snipped-

Interesting thought, and that makes sense now that he is protesting the way his statement was written up. I would love to pursue this further, but I saw a post from Salem upstream warning us not to pursue Becky's statement (the blacked out portion). Until something is posted in MSM, the minor sibs are off limits.

 

[gliving]

I don't know how to screen capture and need help please. The neighbor sex offender has a VW and the Nathan Mc searching at the park with a mag-light has a VW. Are they the same person? TIA

 

[Dee10]

I didnt read about the dog tracking to that area.

that would mean the dog tracked Isa to that home correct?

Possibly not, I wonder about this scenario if someone were cradling her in his arms (at home) perhaps his shirt might have enough of her scent on him to track? IDK, but wondering.

 

[LisaB]

What I originaly got from watching the neighbor's interview was not that JM lived at the house, but rather, that he might have stayed over that night or he might have been involved in Isabel's disappearance becuse he was on the scene so early.

The neighbor stated that someone knocked on her door at around 8:15 a.m. to ask if she heard anything and she said the man identified him as Isabel's uncle.

Bassed on the fact that JM self-identified as Isabel's uncle on his FB page (and later, his dating site page), and then to media, many here made the logical and completely reasonable deduction that he could be the "uncle" who knocked on the neighbor's door at 8:15 a.m.

And frankly, that could still be the case. Who's to say he didn't go to the Celis house and then go back home, and set out for the residence again at noon with the other family members?

IIRC, the neighbor said a man knocked and asked about Isabel around 8am. Later, LE (who did not even arrive for another 15-20 minutes) told her the man was her uncle. Unless she has identified the "family spokesperson" as being the man who knocked on her door that morning, we really have no idea who knocked. LE could not know who knocked on her door before they arrived.

 

[mamamia54]

Good day everyone, you know, the more I read through these docs, the more I feel certain that someone within the Celis family circle are involved in where Isa went. All these douments, all the work that's been devoted to this case, and I'm not finding any real solid evidence of anything outside the family.

The footprints on top of the electrical box, the footprints on top of the gas meter just tells me that someone from the outside came in that way, and left through the door on the oposite side of the wall. This just isn't screaming out to me, stranger abduction. I really don't know why.

 

[Eileen730]

Possibly not, I wonder about this scenario if someone were cradling her in his arms (at home) perhaps his shirt might have enough of her scent on him to track? IDK, but wondering.

The dog would have to be tracking her as i see it and if this little girl was at the home im sure LE investigated could isa have gone to this house with her father? Maybe the day before! Or sometime before.