AZ - Isabel Mercedes Celis, 6, Tucson, 20 April 2012 - #20

[marazul]

This is not from the dump, but from my own ponderings

RC seems to realize for the first time that she hadn't checked on Isa that morning while on the 911 call.
SC called her before calling 911.
SC stated that he did not get out of bed until RC had left for work, so he had no way of knowing if RC checked on Isa that morning before leaving for work.

If he didn't see Isa in her room, and called out around the house for her, would his first question to RC when he called her at work not be "did you see Isa this morning? Was she up? Was she still in bed? Cause I can't find her anywhere..."

I know that if my husband was up before me, and I couldn't find one of my children, my first reaction would be to ask him "did you see ___?" or "Do you know where __________ is?"

Becky realizing she didn't check on Isa during the 911 call means that Becky didn't realize she didn't check on her when SC called her to get her butt home..meaning SC didn't bother asking RC if she had seen her...leading me to assume it could be because he already knew she hadn't.

In his favor, maybe the missing screen convinced him it was a kidnapping, but still, wouldn't he ask if RC had seen her so he could figure out if it had happened overnight or after RC leaving?

I have been on the fence leaning towards stranger abduciton. Now I am leaning towards suspecting SC..If it was a stranger abduction, SC is the unluckiest guy in the whole world to have his daughter snatched while he was out of the bedroom til 5AM.

 

[Eileen730]

That's one of the things I mentioned last night about the footprints, the boots were dirty enough to put prints on both boxes, but yet I didn't read anything about prints in the bedroom, side of the wall under window or the window sill. There very well could be, we don't have the sealed info.

Even though it appears this is pointing to someone in the home, at the same time the behavior of both parents could mean it's someone they know, and they feel she's safe. This whole thing could be not as it seems. It's really very odd and there's so much family from there, to Mexico to Florida. There's too many variables and they were very active in their community, so many people have seen Isa before. She's a very pretty little girl.

I dont think it has anything to do with it!

 

[winterrose]

I don't mind tellin ya, my radar goes up with JM still to this day, if that's who this gentlemen is talking about staying with the family.

I also hear ya on that, drug arrest, all the vacation photos, if he had no job as a relative stated in the docs, how was he making money? I think if it was him, he would be a POI, but someone connected with him or his lifestyle, it very well could be.

 

[mamamia54]

I am not sure why you think this interview was with the RSO? And where do you see last names of him and GF? I must be missing something.

What interests me NOW is page 36 of Packet 5. ONE name has been redacted differently that the others. It may be one that was missed initially, but when they DID black it out, they did a sloppy job. Someone could probably figure out the individual's name (looks like Luis Ramirez, maybe?). Was this an oversight? Or was it a way to leak this name?

Sex Offenders Name and Girlfriends Names

 

[Prof]

These reports are some portion of reports that were investigated. LE has not released all reports.

Some of the reports we have are investigating what could be "hard" evidence...footprints, dog tracking, fingerprint, DNA on screen, blood on Isa's floor, etc. We just don't know the results of these particular investigations.

Some of the reports we have are investigating what could "circumstantial" evidence.... reports from neighbors, family statements, witnesses of character, wild tips from the public...
We do know the results of most of the wild tips from public. .

I don't really believe anything that I have seen points strongly in any direction.

JMO

 

[winterrose]

I dont think it has anything to do with it!

I don't either, I'm just throwing out things it could be. Abductions are usually because of money, sx, drugs or revenge.

 

[Patty G]

We are going to need some initials when describing people in these reports, so that we do not confuse which uncle's are in the reports with blood, knives, girlfriends, trucks, etc. etc.

It helps to have the PDF number and Page # for those members that haven't read the documents yet. ETA: And for members that have been away for a few days.

Eventually it will get smoother.


TIA

 

[mamamia54]

We are going to need some initials when describing people in these reports, so that we do not confuse which uncle's are in the reports with blood, knives, girlfriends, trucks, etc. etc.

It helps to have the PDF number and Page # for those members that haven't read the documents yet.

Eventually it will get smoother.


TIA

Then they can go here for any page numbers and doc urls that I put up lol. Sorry, just can't keep up with the questions any better when the info is here.
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=7969677&posted=1#post7969677

 

[liz b.]

That's one of the things I mentioned last night about the footprints, the boots were dirty enough to put prints on both boxes, but yet I didn't read anything about prints in the bedroom, side of the wall under window or the window sill. There very well could be, we don't have the sealed info.

Even though it appears this is pointing to someone in the home, at the same time the behavior of both parents could mean it's someone they know, and they feel she's safe. This whole thing could be not as it seems. It's really very odd and there's so much family from there, to Mexico to Florida. There's too many variables and they were very active in their community, so many people have seen Isa before. She's a very pretty little girl.

I could agree, except that I never like hearing about blood on the floor of a missing child's bedroom ... JMO

ETA makes me think she isn't,and wasn't safe...

 

[Eileen730]

The dr min Hahn is in Chinle which is at least a days drive from Tucson...

A dr would be highly unlikely to live on Cooper St...possible in Wilshire but even that is a bit below a doctors means...try the foothills...

Well one MH lives on cooper street and LE couldnt get in touch with him and they broke down the door then MH came home and LE gave him the Phone number to call to get his door fixed

 

[Salem]

Everyone,

Salem has already asked that we leave the minors out of the discussion for now. Red lined, black lined...doesn't matter.

I'm choosing to remind you. One more time, no sleuthing or discussion of the minors at this time.

If your posts disappear, you know why. I'm going back through the thread now.

~Summer_Breeze

As Summer says - several times I have asked and warned. TO's start NOW. I won't warn anymore - this is it. The children are victims of this tragedy - unless LE tells us otherwise. That has NOT happened.

Salem

 

[LisaB]

First of all, the report we see is not formatted in a monospace width. It is only a guess as to how many letters are contained in a blackened out word ~ not exact.

Aside from that, Becky's comment following what her son has (which speculation I think is unnecessary) is very intriguing.

"I am not certain if she was referring to Sergio or [redacted]."

The writer seems to indicate Becky could have been coming to Sergio's defense rather than this son's ~ a bit out of synch. I just found this factoid something interesting to file in the back of my brain. And, aren't there two Sergios in the family?

Yep, it's certain with this doc dump; the more I know ~ the less I know! :dunno:

BBM

These documents do not redact the older son's name, just the younger son's name. I believe the bolded text above is intended to mean "I am not certain if she was referring to OLDEST BOY or YOUNGEST BOY."

 

[Ransom]

I have spent the morning scrolling through these new docs. I am not off the fence, I have now climbed back on. I really have no idea what happened at this time. I am very weirded out by the blood and knife in the uncle's truck though. And the convenient dish washing coinciding with the LE visiting the home there.

Packet #5, page 36

Blood on towel was a false positive.

 

[Prof]

I find the tracking hit very interesting. How far is East Cooper from the Celis home?

East Cooper is one block south of the home. East Cooper shares the back alleway with the Celis home. The home the tracing dog hit on is the twin to the Celis home, directly behind and across the alley from the Celis home.

The dog hit on the utitlity box, and then some amount of feet south of the utility box, too.

 

[WhatsupAZ]

I want to know more about the other uncle. Has anybody put together anything about all the info/intetviews, etc. on him? Was he the one that stormed into the house? Any thoughts on this guy? Btw in our house we are calling him uncle silverado.

 

[mamamia54]

I want to know more about the other uncle. Has anybody put together anything about all the info/intetviews, etc. on him? Was he the one that stormed into the house? Any thoughts on this guy? Btw in our house we are calling him uncle silverado.

Above BBM

WERE calling him? Did you actually know this guy?

 

[Knox]

I dont know is it the direction of his parents house because he and isa used to walk there all the time he could have stopped and picked her up and put her on his shoulders!

Im sure dogs would hit in areas she and her father walked.

I dont know LOL

Me neither ...

Just trying to figure out why dogs would hit there? I thought maybe it was close enough that Isa rode her bike or played on the street there. But looks like she would have to cross Craycroft to get there, so not likely.

I found the incident described here on page 62
http://www.tucsonnewsnow.com/link/563528/pdf-celis-2-forensics- ollected-items-taken-from-home

I'll recap; A Pima County Sheriff K-9 alerted on the home. The residents were not there, officers broke into the home and searched it looking for Isa. Nothing was found.

 

[Lark2]

Here is what I would like to know. If Sergio was the one who caused Isa's disappearance, and I have my suspicion, what clothes was he wearing that night when RC went to bed? When she saw him next what clothes was he wearing? If not the same clothes, where are these clothes? Are they missing or did he do laundry that night?

Of course, no one will know the answer here but I think RC may.

Well, his sister-in-law was at the Celis house doing dishes when LE arrived. Maybe she did a load of laundry, too. :what:

Seriously, as Katy stated, the search of RR's truck (and discovery of blood and a knife inside), and his wife doing dishes when LE arrived, gives me the creeps.

 

[Prof]

I have spent the morning scrolling through these new docs. I am not off the fence, I have now climbed back on. I really have no idea what happened at this time. I am very weirded out by the blood and knife in the uncle's truck though. And the convenient dish washing coinciding with the LE visiting the home there.

This is the real uncle, right? His truck was on 12th. LR I believe.
I think the "luminol false positive" was on the towel behind the seat. Right?
Then the pocket knife was in the door?
It alerted them enough to impound the truck, so that is concerning...
We just don't know results of this investigation.
IMO he's also possibly the uncle knocking on neighbor's door.

 

[mamamia54]

Me neither ...

Just trying to figure out why dogs would hit there? I thought maybe it was close enough that Isa rode her bike or played on the street there. But looks like she would have to cross Craycroft to get there, so not likely.

I found the incident described here on page 62
http://www.tucsonnewsnow.com/link/563528/pdf-celis-2-forensics- ollected-items-taken-from-home

I'll recap; A Pima County Sheriff K-9 alerted on the home. The residents were not there, officers broke into the home and searched it looking for Isa. Nothing was found.

East Cooper