AZ - Isabel Mercedes Celis, 6, Tucson, 20 April 2012 - #20

[winterrose]

http://www.tucsonnewsnow.com/story/18628999/tucson-man-concerned-police-report-misquotes-him

When an officer is talking to someone about a case, they write things down and it's a report the officer gave in the docs. I think if this coach gave "two" interviews, he had info, and maybe he was surprised anything he said was in a public doc. It sounds to me like he's minimizing it for whatever reason. I can't blame him, if I was giving info on a crime, I wouldn't want my name and what I said to an officer in a public doc, that only deters people from being willing to step forward.

 

[abstr]

Nor am I an expert, either place. I think you are right that in compacted dirt a print might not show. My experience here is that there is always a covering of loose dust/dirt. Sometimes thin, sometimes thicker, depending on the wind, I suppose.

I did not mean to sound snarky... I always react like that when grass is mentioned. I DO miss it sometimes. About gravel though - I learned you can hear someone walking on your granite lawn! I can hear if someone walks on the gravel, but not the dirt, so gravel is a good form of security, if one listens!

Well I can sound snarky sometimes too.
Can I ask where you are from? I left the country for a year but otherwise been really close to home and kinda like this area...and I love grass...I have a dog so I can't lay in it anymore....LOL
Grass is home to me....Being able to see mountains, trees, beaches all in a day is something I love but I do wonder what living in the desert might be like

 

[johnQpublic]

BTW, I am not ethnic at all....but my family is the same.
I am divorced from an ethnic man and his family was like that too.

I'm sure your of some form of ethnic group... I think you mean Hispanic

An ethnic group is a group of people who share a common ethnicity. That is, its members identify with each other through a common heritage, consisting of a common culture, including a shared language or dialect. The group's ethos or ideology may also stress common ancestry, religion, or race.

oh mi Güero divertido

 

[abstr]

I'm sure your of some form of ethnic group... I think you mean Hispanic

An ethnic group is a group of people who share a common ethnicity. That is, its members identify with each other through a common heritage, consisting of a common culture, including a shared language or dialect. The group's ethos or ideology may also stress common ancestry, religion, or race.

oh mi Güero divertido

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And by ethnic I meant first or second generation to America....Hispanic, African, Italian, Slovakian....etc......

 

[johnQpublic]

LOL...John...you are a stickler aren't you! I meant my family is a hodgepodge and has been in America pre civil war......
John....I wanna like you but you are a bit anal aren't you?
(I hope you take this in the good humor it is intended)
Are you single, good looking and smart ? Just a very random question...LOL

Güero - Non-Hispanic, good looking and smart.... Just was being funny cause I often hear white folks refer to hispanics as " Ethnic " and it's very vague in ref. to discribing a person... are they hispanic, white, asian, hindu, muslim, middle eastern... Ethnic Food for example usually refers to anything other than Pizza and hamburgers or 'American'. While I might be a white-non-hispanic person myself I do actually see white folks using incorrect terms for people all the time. And just to throw it in there I know a woman from Jamaca who gets really pissed off when someone calls her an African American.

 

[abstr]

Güero - Non-Hispanic, good looking and smart.... Just was being funny cause I often hear white folks refer to hispanics as " Ethnic " and it's very vague in ref. to discribing a person... are they hispanic, white, asian, hindu, muslim, middle eastern... Ethnic Food for example usually refers to anything other than Pizza and hamburgers or 'American'. While I might be a white-non-hispanic person myself I do actually see white folks using incorrect terms for people all the time. And just to throw it in there I know a woman from Jamaca who gets really pissed off when someone calls her an African American.

Pizza is ethnic to me!

 

[abstr]

Güero - Non-Hispanic, good looking and smart.... Just was being funny cause I often hear white folks refer to hispanics as " Ethnic " and it's very vague in ref. to discribing a person... are they hispanic, white, asian, hindu, muslim, middle eastern... Ethnic Food for example usually refers to anything other than Pizza and hamburgers or 'American'. While I might be a white-non-hispanic person myself I do actually see white folks using incorrect terms for people all the time. And just to throw it in there I know a woman from Jamaca who gets really pissed off when someone calls her an African American.

And...you didn't say single.
A lot of your post would have us fighting anyway....lol

 

[abstr]

Pizza is ethnic to me!

I get what you are saying....I understand that it might be hard to describe a person and descriptions might be off. What I can say is my kids grow up in a really homogenized world. They dont describe a kid who moved here a few years ago from Pakistan as Pakistani. They say the friends name
I grew up in that sort of family too....so maybe I don't get it

 

[winterrose]

AZ Isabel Mercedes Celis, 6, Tucson, 20 April 2012 Media & Document Dump (No Discussion) - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community
Where was this location 2 where RR's phone was photographed of text messages, call logs and contact info? Was it found somewhere, why wasn't it on him?

 

[mamamia54]

Now I need some help, can anyone point out on a map, exactly where the K9's got the scent, from the Celis home to Cooper St? I would just like to have it for my own reference.

 

[johnQpublic]

Anyway.. Back to the case... I have read almost all of the PDF and there is a great deal of things that lead me to think there are very limited possibilities as to what happened given what reliable forms of information was gathered. After you deduct what I call "UFO" type leads.. such as the psychics, hobo reports, lady getting her hair did, the sightings of the wrong kid... There really isn't much indicating that this was just some fluke kidnapping and IMO really points to some sort of family deal or something that happened due to a family members aquaintances with the wrong person. I just can't seem to bring myself to even consider this being a case where it was just some random act by some unknown pedo or human traffiker.

 

[callyn]

If you are using Windows....

Hit the key marked PRTSC (Print screen key!)
Open paint
Paste (CTRL + V same time) or use Edit (top of page) and paste
Save

Print Screen will only capture what you see on your current screen - IE it won't copy the entire page. WORD OF CAUTION - it will show your tabs and your email or instant message name if that shows on the screen or if one pops up the very second you do the SCap!

Snipping tool should be available on most recent versions of Windows. I have Vista and I have it - it is better for just a section, IMHO.
Just do a search of your computer for snipping tool from your start button to see if you have it!

Hope that helps. If not let me know and I can try again!

Adding

LOL - Winterrose beat me to it!

BBM: While still in Paint, you can crop anything out that you don't want in the final picture, then save.

 

[gliving]

LOL... The Ground is hard but there is usually powdery dust on top of the ground. IE Dust Storms lol foot prints in alleys and stuff actually do stay around awhile... LOL I used to follow them to find coworkers working outside.. Another funny is Movies use AZ quite often to film scenes that take place on Mars LOL

Check out this dust storm in Tucson May 9th.

http://www.kgun9.com/multimedia/videos/?bctid=1630709822001

 

[katydid23]

Anyway.. Back to the case... I have read almost all of the PDF and there is a great deal of things that lead me to think there are very limited possibilities as to what happened given what reliable forms of information was gathered. After you deduct what I call "UFO" type leads.. such as the psychics, hobo reports, lady getting her hair did, the sightings of the wrong kid... There really isn't much indicating that this was just some fluke kidnapping and IMO really points to some sort of family deal or something that happened due to a family members aquaintances with the wrong person. I just can't seem to bring myself to even consider this being a case where it was just some random act by some unknown pedo or human traffiker.

At the start, and for awhile, I believed it was some psycho who followed them home from the ball game, or an RSO who knew them from the park somehow. At first I did believe it was a stalker/stranger abduction.

Then I began to suspect the cousin/uncle guy, because he seemed so awkward, and he seemed to be implicating and inserting himself. But as time goes on, I am leaning towards the parents and extended family. Perhaps covering up a tragedy or an accident, or some kind of abuse that spun out of control.

 

[winterrose]

http://i47.tinypic.com/j5ikh5.jpg

Here's the timeline of calls to RC and LE arrival. Love this PDF link, btw.

RC left for work 6:47 (said she didn't check on Isa)
SC woke up at. 7:13
SC got up at....7:54 (said he got up to check on Isa)
SC called RC.....8:05
Dispatched at 8:14
unit onscene 8:20

 

[CJMAJORGIRL24]

At the start, and for awhile, I believed it was some psycho who followed them home from the ball game, or an RSO who knew them from the park somehow. At first I did believe it was a stalker/stranger abduction.

Then I began to suspect the cousin/uncle guy, because he seemed so awkward, and he seemed to be implicating and inserting himself. But as time goes on, I am leaning towards the parents and extended family. Perhaps covering up a tragedy or an accident, or some kind of abuse that spun out of control.

Katy,

I guess we think alike!! I don't want to believe the parents would harm this beautiful little one!! Sadly, the more I read, the more I am convinced that they know exactly what happened to her. I am so tired of these "so-called" parents harming their children.

 

[CJMAJORGIRL24]

Anyway.. Back to the case... I have read almost all of the PDF and there is a great deal of things that lead me to think there are very limited possibilities as to what happened given what reliable forms of information was gathered. After you deduct what I call "UFO" type leads.. such as the psychics, hobo reports, lady getting her hair did, the sightings of the wrong kid... There really isn't much indicating that this was just some fluke kidnapping and IMO really points to some sort of family deal or something that happened due to a family members aquaintances with the wrong person. I just can't seem to bring myself to even consider this being a case where it was just some random act by some unknown pedo or human traffiker.

I am still trying to figure out the guy that demanded the detectives come to his home to talk to him!!! The one that could identify the five people in the video....

After spending the day reading all of the LE reports, I am thanful I am not a police officer in AZ!!!

 

[Okay then]

Nor am I an expert, either place. I think you are right that in compacted dirt a print might not show. My experience here is that there is always a covering of loose dust/dirt. Sometimes thin, sometimes thicker, depending on the wind, I suppose.

I did not mean to sound snarky... I always react like that when grass is mentioned. I DO miss it sometimes. About gravel though - I learned you can hear someone walking on your granite lawn! I can hear if someone walks on the gravel, but not the dirt, so gravel is a good form of security, if one listens!

The footprints on the utility boxes survived the weather, et all, *if there are missing footprints near Isa's window. WHY? speculating here. fyi

 

[A_News_Junkie]

BBM: While still in Paint, you can crop anything out that you don't want in the final picture, then save.

Exactly - I just was afraid I had already over complicated it! Thanks for adding that!

 

[mamamia54]

Anyway.. Back to the case... I have read almost all of the PDF and there is a great deal of things that lead me to think there are very limited possibilities as to what happened given what reliable forms of information was gathered. After you deduct what I call "UFO" type leads.. such as the psychics, hobo reports, lady getting her hair did, the sightings of the wrong kid... There really isn't much indicating that this was just some fluke kidnapping and IMO really points to some sort of family deal or something that happened due to a family members aquaintances with the wrong person. I just can't seem to bring myself to even consider this being a case where it was just some random act by some unknown pedo or human traffiker.

Especially since blood was located inside the home, BUT, the way kids play, they get booboos all the time, so I don't even know how much importance we can really place on that evidence collected, unless of course it's blood that shows to be a large amount that shows a gushing flow. It could only be a splatter and even that could be figured out as to how far that blood had to fall to the floor and get an approximation of how tall the person was.

If the blood had bubbles inside it then it could have come from coughing blood, or exhaled blood.

Anyway, other than that, I don't read anything that makes me look outside the family unit. And yes, I know we don't know everything but I think these documents were put out to the public for a reason, and that could be to not only show us how much work has been done on the case, but that it looking more and more like an inside job. MOO