AZ - Isabel Mercedes Celis, 6, Tucson, 20 April 2012 - #20

[panthera]

Someone asked for information on what Sergio's employer said earlier, see below. This is found in Part 1, Pg.94

Most interesting is the part where his job duties are described. Curious if his employer takes inventory of the anesthesia?

:waitasec:

MOO

 

[panthera]

An "adequate job" of cleaning things up or covering up implies an inside job. What random attacker is going to hang around a scene to clean up after themselves? Ditto any other person outside the family. Someone who had time and could stay in the house to do this adequate level of covering up is what that means. IMO.

Agree. It also means, in my opinion, that no foreign DNA or anything indicating a stranger, was found inside the home, especially Isabel's bedroom.

MOO

 

[A_News_Junkie]

mamamia, from your photo on this post, I think the Cooper St. house is the one just below the Celis' home. See where the yellow line ends and you can look up and see the Celis' house? I think the dog hit there. It's right where the video of the 5 walkers was. The video of the guy lurking in the shadows.

It doesn't look like Prof is on line right now, but when she returns I bet she'll clarify.

ETA here's the video and part of the caption: "They may have been walking in the direction of or directly to East Cooper Street"

Surveillance Video Footage 200 Block S Craycroft - Isabel Celis Disappearance - YouTube

Two questions:

1. Wasn't it determined that the date on this footage was incorrect?

2. Was this video pulled because that is where the dog tracked?

 

[Knox]

List of family members contacted by Sergio & Becky that morning. FWIW, JM was not on that list.
Found on Part 2, Page 71

 

[mamamia54]

You know, in looking at where the dog hits were, it makes absolute sense. The electic box is back there in the alleyway, walk toward the other alleyway, if that's what it is, then down to where the sticker indicates. It's almost like whoever took Isa, parked down there near the parking lot, and if the camera didn't catch what happened, I'll eat my hat.

 

[Prof]

mamamia, from your photo on this post, I think the Cooper St. house is the one just below the Celis' home. See where the yellow line ends and you can look up and see the Celis' house? I think the dog hit there. It's right where the video of the 5 walkers was. The video of the guy lurking in the shadows.

It doesn't look like Prof is on line right now, but when she returns I bet she'll clarify.

ETA here's the video and part of the caption: "They may have been walking in the direction of or directly to East Cooper Street"

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Hello, I am just checking in for a sec and saw Mamamia's cool map. Where I am confused is why we are comparing the last spot we can see the walkers with the dog hit? This has me confused. :waitasec:

I can say that in that video we see the walkers continue walking down Cooper after they left the parking lot... I can see them go quite aways down. They are also on south sidewalk of Cooper street. I am not sure how you are linking them with dog hit though.

From what I understood in some report I can't remember right now, the dog hit was on the north side of Cooper street at the house directly behind the Celis home. This I found interesting since a few threads back I noted that they had identical floorplans in the image sections of the assessor's site. I posted something about someone in that home would know the layout of the Celis home.

HTH

 

[CJMAJORGIRL24]

Most interesting is the part where his job duties are described. Curious if his employer takes inventory of the anesthesia?

:waitasec:

MOO

I would love to know also!!

 

[mamamia54]

Hello, I am just checking in for a sec and saw Mamamia's cool map. Where I am confused is why we are comparing the last spot we can see the walkers with the dog hit? This has me confused. :waitasec:

I can say that in that video we see the walkers continue walking down Cooper after they left the parking lot... I can see them go quite aways down. They are also on south sidewalk of Cooper street. I am not sure how you are linking them with dog hit though.

From what I understood in some report I can't remember right now, the dog hit was on the north side of Cooper street at the house directly behind the Celis home. This I found interesting since a few threads back I noted that they had identical floorplans in the image sections of the assessor's site. I posted something about someone in that home would know the layout of the Celis home.

HTH

Prof, just a quick question, at what place down there toward the dog hit was the video tape taken from.

 

[gliving]

Two questions:

1. Wasn't it determined that the date on this footage was incorrect?

2. Was this video pulled because that is where the dog tracked?

1. Yes, LE corrected it to a date after Isa went missing. But that can't be
because you can't see the command center or any police tape or activity in the video. Locals said the whole area was filled with LE presence day and night. It's been discussed here.

2. Good point. Or maybe that's why it was offered in the first place. LE knew where the dogs tracked before they posted the video.

I'm sure others will chime in their opinions.

 

[mamamia54]

Ok, really confused now. Which video? Are we talking the one that caught the party walking or another one, from somewhere else?

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

I really hate to say it since I like having some sense of privacy BUT it's situations like this one and other crimes that make me wish that our govt had a constant satellite image of more than just the clouds in the sky. I hate to think big brother should have such intel and overwatch but if it were only looked at with a court order then maybe it wouldn't be such a bad idea.. I mean.. they already rob us of our privacy with freeway and street cameras in places like Phoenix... lol I used to get on the traffic cam site just to see my roommate pass it on his way to work to print screen him going past it and then make him a phoney speeding ticket.. but anyway.... it sure would make investigations alittle easier.

Hey John Q...

that is quite a sophisticated trick to play on your roomie!

what ever happened to prank phone calls...:rocker:

 

[makayla]

No, except when you're trying to figure out who is who and esp what uncle is being talked about. I'd just like to know how many relatives were in the home that morning, when they got there, what they did in the house and who was the man with SC at 8am in the security recording, when he said he had just woken up.

I'm wondering about this timeline. We've heard several versions, one of them where Sergio says he checks on Isa around 8 or just before 8, but then how long did he actually look for her?

One version of Becky's departure time from the house shows her leaving at 7:30, so assume she is now gone, Sergio goes to wake up Isabel and finds her missing (oh excuse me, abducted!), runs to his sons' room(s), calls Becky to tell her to get her **** home, searches for Isabel, calls 911 shortly after 8, somehow people are seen on a video tape from a nearby camera around 8, relatives are coming out of the woodwork, someone (perhaps an uncle) knocks on neighbor's door around 8 asking if she has seen Isabel, Becky arrives home from work, son or sons are also now back from searching wherever they were searching (one of them being driven home by someone), LE shows up at 8:20 in response to the 911 call and so on and so on . . . this timeline just seems so compacted together to me . . . this an awful lot of activity in a short period of time, so exactly how much time did Sergio spend looking for Isabel before he called Becky and 911? How did the relatives find out about it - I think there was at least one uncle or whatever there early on, even if the other relatives didn't show up until later. It is all so confusing!

Can anyone nail down a chart of what exactly happened when? TIA to anyone who has the time or inclination to do so - this is such a puzzle (reminds me of the 1000 piece puzzles where all the pieces are a similar color - aaackk!) :maddening:

 

[Prof]

I think that's it!! Also from the docs:

"One officer reported that a resident on East 13th Street said she heard a "dog going crazy barking" at a house on East Cooper Street at about 2 a.m. April 21."

This is my interpretation
of the reports

 

[A_News_Junkie]

I could be be way off, but doesnt the camera footage seecm to point exactly there? If you compare direction and angle of parking spaces? Forgive me if this is way off, or super obvious. Clearly I am no forensic crime scene investigator, takes me an hour to find my car keys.

This is what it looks like to me.

Top pic is from the video.
Second pic is from Google pointing out same landmarks.
Third pic shows Celis home(circled) and area id'd. (W is where walkers come into view and they proceed in parking lot to corner area by box)

 

[mamamia54]

And this is inconsistant statement by Sergio as to what time Becky went to work
He says she left for work at 7:30am and he woke up about 8:00am
http://i49.tinypic.com/2hs9p41.jpg

Didn't he previously say that she left earlier, or am I thinking wrong. Going to try to look this up again.

 

[Prof]

Prof, just a quick question, at what place down there toward the dog hit was the video tape taken from.

The surveillance with five walkers was from the church building closer to Craycroft pointed east in the direction of the side street that is between the Celis home and the Office Max.

I still don't understand how we are connected the walkers with the dog hits, though...

The walkers were on the other side of Cooper from the house that had the dog hit.

 

[mamamia54]

This is my interpretation
of the reports

Ok now makes total sense to me, now I see where you were talking about, so the video we have been discussing isn't going to even catch anything down that direction?

 

[makayla]

http://i47.tinypic.com/j5ikh5.jpg

Here's the timeline of calls to RC and LE arrival. Love this PDF link, btw.

RC left for work 6:47 (said she didn't check on Isa)
SC woke up at. 7:13
SC got up at....7:54 (said he got up to check on Isa)
SC called RC.....8:05
Dispatched at 8:14
unit onscene 8:20

I knew I should have read through all the posts before posting myself :blushing:

I just recently posted about the timeline, with a different "start" time for Becky since she has given so many :floorlaugh:

I will finish reading now before I post anything else about timelines . . . :blushing:

However, this also points out that Sergio doesn't appear to spend much time looking for Isabel before he calls Becky and 911.

 

[A_News_Junkie]

Hello, I am just checking in for a sec and saw Mamamia's cool map. Where I am confused is why we are comparing the last spot we can see the walkers with the dog hit? This has me confused. :waitasec:

I can say that in that video we see the walkers continue walking down Cooper after they left the parking lot... I can see them go quite aways down. They are also on south sidewalk of Cooper street. I am not sure how you are linking them with dog hit though.

From what I understood in some report I can't remember right now, the dog hit was on the north side of Cooper street at the house directly behind the Celis home. This I found interesting since a few threads back I noted that they had identical floorplans in the image sections of the assessor's site. I posted something about someone in that home would know the layout of the Celis home.

HTH

That is why I was asking my two questions that gliving answered too (THANK YOU!). I was trying to see if my memory was correct and why this map is requested. So what am I missing?

PS I was going to wait to do my collage shot, but poodle is hyper today! LOL

 

[time]

That is so interesting that on 4/24 they got a warrant for Uncle RR's truck to be searched and towed to police evidence. I wonder if it was seen in a recording. LE went around 10pm that night with warrant. Supervisors prohibited them from contacting owners HR and RR for the keys. HR and RR came and asked them why and gave keys. There is something that caused them to take this truck and photograph RR's phone of texts, log calls and contact numbers, so interesting. Was he the uncle outside at 8am with SC in the digital recording? Wasn't it RR's gf or wife washing dishes when they were made to leave out of the house?

http://i48.tinypic.com/jg01op.jpg

I agree, interesting. I guess we do not know why they got the warrant (and were NOT going to tell the guy they were taking it!). I really think the photographing of "RR's phone of texts, log calls and contact numbers" is extremely interesting. Maybe someone called in a false tip? Or not false?

I also find it odd that two people are claiming there is some money loan stuff going on, although one is the niece of JM claiming he owes someone money and the other with initials MM claims

I also really wonder about the phone both tip from MM. She says she works for the same doctor that Sergio works for, but never said she works in the office. Maybe she was a housekeeper, gardener, or something. Probably nothing but she could be working off the books also. Wondering if this person lied about her name and her work, but was relaying some truthful info? It seems she also just said she was the SIL of the Celis', but not neccessarily how she was related.