Found Deceased AZ - Isabel Mercedes Celis, 6, Tucson, 20 April 2012 *Arrest* #26

[Indy Anna]

Bbm Athletics were important in the Celis family and Sergio was a coach. Isabel couldn't sleep in and miss her ballgame the next morning. Mom had to get up very early the next morning too.

I was thinking, though, of how children often don't want to go to bed if they get busy doing something (like playing a video game) even if they have to get up early the next morning (well, I do the same thing. LOL).

I wonder if the ball games were actually more important to SC, as a coach, than they were to Isa. There are fathers who coach little league and take the games much more seriously than their ball-playing children do, and sometimes the children get burnt-out on sports because of the pressure. MOO

 

[Indy Anna]

but she's a tiny little child out in the nowhere...I think they know something...why go to that particular spot so far away? it's literally random except for the proximity to the baseball fields...it's random in terms of just launching a search miles away from the home.

someone took her body all the way out there to a random place to dump her body and 5 years later the police find her.

this is not happenstance... I really don't think so . somehow someone they suspect is connected to that area.

either the parents or someone in the family...did someone in the family work at the golf course out there? baseball coach living near there?

or just a place the parents were out and about in often for baseball games and other outdoor entertainment?

I still really like the idea that they have Sergio driving out there on occasion for no logical reason, maybe circling or parking nearby.

it's hard to make a case..but they have something. IMO

Perhaps those baseball fields had a particular significance to the killer. JMO

 

[ksprincess]

Doctors and nurses in the huge medical center ER where Becky works would NOT risk their careers and years of college and school loans to cover up a crime for a child abuser or child neglector. Doctors attend college for EIGHT years. Most nurses attend college for FOUR years. Nurses spend $100,000+ for a four-year university education. Physicians spend $400,000+ for their education. They would ask EVERY question and document everything and are required by law to call CPS. Intelligent professionals don't risk their education and huge school loans to protect a child abuser!

Sergio has ZERO medical education. He is only a dental tech who only watches the dental surgeons administer anesthetics based on mg/kg and EIGHT years of college.

I am a registered nurse with a 4 year degree and I also have a 4 year degree in social work and have worked for cps in the past so I am very aware of what would be at stake for medical professionals if they covered up a crime. However in your original post you implied that they may have given her too large of a dose of something like nyquil or dimetap to make her sleep because they are uneducated about medications. That is different than commiting a crime.

I was not implying that Becky's coworkers would have covered up a crime, I was saying Becky and Sergio could have taken her to the ER and said either that Isabel got into some medication herself or that they accidentally gave her too much medicine. Becky's coworkers would have trusted her and treated Isabel thinking it was an accident.

I am not saying that something didn't happen to Isabel in the home but I don't think that 2 intelligent people who also both have professional licenses at stake would have given Isabel too much medicine to make her sleep. If she had sleep issues they could have easily just given her melatonin or a weight based dose of Benedryl.

 

[Gunslinging Granny]

Perhaps those baseball fields had a particular significance to the killer. JMO

Where did you find information that Isabel's remains were found near the baseball fields?

 

[Gunslinging Granny]

I am a registered nurse with a 4 year degree and I also have a 4 year degree in social work and have worked for cps in the past so I am very aware of what would be at stake for medical professionals if they covered up a crime. However in your original post you implied that they may have given her too large of a dose of something like nyquil or dimetap to make her sleep because they are uneducated about medications. That is different than commiting a crime.

I was not implying that Becky's coworkers would have covered up a crime, I was saying Becky and Sergio could have taken her to the ER and said either that Isabel got into some medication herself or that they accidentally gave her too much medicine. Becky's coworkers would have trusted her and treated Isabel thinking it was an accident.

I am not saying that something didn't happen to Isabel in the home but I don't think that 2 intelligent people who also both have professional licenses at stake would have given Isabel too much medicine to make her sleep. If she had sleep issues they could have easily just given her melatonin or a weight based dose of Benedryl.

Sergio doesn't have a professional license for "anything". He is not a licensed professional.

Imo, Becky was likely in a hurry to get Isabel to sleep because it was late and she had to work the 7-3 shift and Isabel needed to awaken refreshed for her early morning baseball game.

 

[nancydrew71]

I don't think this will ever be solved because noone is talking.

 

[liz b.]

How is the local media handling the fact that Isabel's remains have been found ? What are they saying ? Also, are the citizens of Tucson concerned that there is a child abductor/murderer possibly living among them ? What do the locals say about LE finding Isabel's remains ? tia.

 

[rashomon]

It was "remote area". It's unknown what that means, but the police spokesman posted on twitter that Isabel's remains were found in Tucson.

In the press conference, Tucson Police Chief Chris Magnus spoke of a "remote area in Pima County":

[Tucson Police Chief Chris Magnus]: "Earlier this month, human remains were uncovered from a remote area in Pima County."

[video=youtube;PUsjZ0a_wLs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUsjZ0a_wLs[/video]

 

[pukasonqo2]

Doctors and nurses in the huge medical center ER where Becky works would NOT risk their careers and years of college and school loans to cover up a crime for a child abuser or child neglector. Doctors attend college for EIGHT years. Most nurses attend college for FOUR years. Nurses spend $100,000+ for a four-year university education. Physicians spend $400,000+ for their education. They would ask EVERY question and document everything and are required by law to call CPS. Intelligent professionals don't risk their education and huge school loans to protect a child abuser!

Sergio has ZERO medical education. He is only a dental tech who only watches the dental surgeons administer anesthetics based on mg/kg and EIGHT years of college.

does mandatory reporting happens in the USA? i am an RN, my partner is a teacher and we are considered mandatory reporters for child abuse, domestic violence and, for nurses, elderly abuse
i agree with your post, no healthcare worker will risk losing their registration to cover for a colleague whom they suspect is abusing their child


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[katydid23]

does mandatory reporting happens in the USA? i am an RN, my partner is a teacher and we are considered mandatory reporters for child abuse, domestic violence and, for nurses, elderly abuse
i agree with your post, no healthcare worker will risk losing their registration to cover for a colleague whom they suspect is abusing their child


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YES. we have mandatory reporting laws for teachers, counselors, day care workers, nurses, social workers, etc ...

 

[Gunslinging Granny]

JUSTICE FOR ISABEL!

There was at least one security camera on Isabel's window showing no activity outside her window on the night she disappeared. The "boogeyman took off the screen and abducted Isabel through the window" was staged. There were at least two security cameras pointing on the Celis' driveway (and garage) and down their street on the night of her disappearance. The parents didn't pass their polygraphs. Isabel's remains have now been recovered. It's time for a grand jury and arrests!

 

[nancydrew71]

JUSTICE FOR ISABEL!

There was at least one security camera on Isabel's window showing no activity outside her window on the night she disappeared. The "boogeyman took off the screen and abducted Isabel through the window" was staged. There were at least two security cameras pointing on the Celis' driveway (and garage) and down their street on the night of her disappearance. The parents didn't pass their polygraphs. Isabel's remains have now been recovered. It's time for a grand jury and arrests!

Yes this makes it pretty clear something happened in that house, IMO.That explains Sergio's non-urgent sounding phone call to 911. Why doesn't LE see this? Do they need to interrogate the parents to get it out of them?

 

[minazoe]

wait..the parents didn't pass their polygraphs? did I know this? wow...okay so....just maybe I didn't remember this. Were they poly'd right after..? I may remember something with Sergio and a poly...hmmm.both failed...

nancydrew, tha phone call is just impossible to fathom on any level...it's beyond explanation, except the obvious. I agree 10000+++++

 

[Madeleine74]

Polygraphs are inadmissible in court, so failing those won't be something a jury would ever hear.

 

[minazoe]

true, but in the court of professional opinion, in the search for a killer, it is vital that a suspect pass the poly...if he doesn't take and pass a poly he is suspect number one in the eyes of most law enforcement. inconclusive is different, that makes you suspect "lite" but still a suspect with a major side eye. I can't imagine that both parents straight up fail and they are not the main suspects in this case which is now a murder case.

if someone refuses the poly this raises eyebrows too....omigod i hope they get this right and get in there and make an arrest...maybe they could get a confession finally...

moo

 

[agilbe]

When I hear remote for Tucson, I think Tucson Mountains and 3 Points Area(about 20 miles out of town). Just as a note, going down I86 you pass 3 Points on your way to Mexico. Though as I'm typing this, Mount Lemmon also comes to mind. I haven't seen anything more in the news since it was announced her remains had been recovered.

 

[desertmama]

When I hear remote for Tucson, I think Tucson Mountains and 3 Points Area(about 20 miles out of town). Just as a note, going down I86 you pass 3 Points on your way to Mexico. Though as I'm typing this, Mount Lemmon also comes to mind. I haven't seen anything more in the news since it was announced her remains had been recovered.

Three Points came to my mind as well. But there is so much empty desert in and around Tucson; for instance if you follow Wilmot or Swan or Alvernon south of I-10, within a few miles there is nothing but empty desert. So really, a remote or rural area could be anywhere.

 

[agilbe]

True. Isn't that the area between Tucson and Vail, near the prison? That WOULD BE a closer drive from where she was taken. Three Points might have been on my brain since I lived out there for about 4 years. Interesting place.

 

[desertmama]

True. Isn't that the area between Tucson and Vail, near the prison? That WOULD BE a closer drive from where she was taken. Three Points might have been on my brain since I lived out there for about 4 years. Interesting place.

Yes the prison is out that way. It seems to me they knew where to look for her, so either she was in an accessible area, it was well marked, or both.

 

[nancydrew71]

wait..the parents didn't pass their polygraphs? did I know this? wow...okay so....just maybe I didn't remember this. Were they poly'd right after..? I may remember something with Sergio and a poly...hmmm.both failed...

nancydrew, tha phone call is just impossible to fathom on any level...it's beyond explanation, except the obvious. I agree 10000+++++

I didn't know both parents didn't pass the poly either. Why did they say they would not move until Isa came home? Was this a ploy?