Found Deceased AZ - Isabella Grogan-Cannella, 8, Bullhead City, 2 September 2014 - #3

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lillybell said:
Wow, I hadn't seen that article either,

Trevor Hanson, who has known Rector since junior high said, “I went to junior high with Justin and he was twisted. He told me he drowned a puppy in a plastic bag before.” According to witnesses Rector was caught stealing clothing inside a local Wal-Mart with mud stained clothing turned inside out. The mother of the young girl was believed to have driven Rector to the Wal-Mart sometime around 10:00-10:30 p.m. Tanya, Bella’s mother, had told the conflicting story to friends that she noticed her daughter missing by 10:00 p.m. when she had told authorities 1:30 a.m.

I hadn't heard tania had 'allegedly' drove JJR to walmart. I wonder if there were witnesses to this. Maybe Walmart staff or they're on CCTV. Interesting x
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Whaaaaaaaat ?

ETA ""Rector bragged on Facebook posts about being questioned about the missing child then being released, but it was later mentioned that he was released only because he was using being with the mother of the child as his alibi.""

Whaaaaaaat ? Is this new info or has it been out and I missed it ? Holy OMG :(
 
Krystine said:
"Why...why didn't you stay in bed"? ??
... the one question Tania wishes she could ask her daughter.
Ugh.
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Victim blaming at its finest. Reminds me of Rayne saying she had talked to Cherish about talking to strangers yet she was the one that put Cherish in DS's vehicle.

Anyway, it has been said that when Tania left that night the children were just getting ready for bed so is it possible that Bella had removed her bottoms and had not had time to put her pajamas on when she was taken? Could that explain why she was found naked below the waist but wasn't SA?


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Tania's version of events has changed numerous times, seeming to be in response to the criticism she has read about her parenting (or lack thereof).

She has changed or embellished the story to attempt to show that she didn't leave the kids knowingly with JR ("we didn't even know he was here"), to say the odd late night Walmart run was to get snacks for the kids' school lunches, and now to make it appear Bella was actually in bed where she should have been at that time on a school night.

Since she really doesn't understand how to be a parent, she is picking up her cues from the things people are saying. In her world, the circumstances of that night were normal.

I always want to ask God why these innocent children are taken too soon. Lately, after reading about Bella, Jenise, Cherish, the 5 kids from SC killed by their drug addict father...I think the answer is that God is removing these kids from having to endure ongoing suffering here on earth.
 
lillybell said:
Just getting caught back up here. The memorial looked beautiful for little Bella. A whole community comming together to support each other. The balloon release was quite emotional. Bless her.

The new interveiw with mum, "why didn't you stay in bed?". If you could ask your daughter one question,that's what you'd ask? Really? Not "are you at peace? " You know I love you?"
I do find that strange. If Tania stopped trying to make this about her and spoke more of Bella, the things she liked, how special she was, lovely memories of her daughter, and how much she was loved and will be missed, she may have a more positive response from the public.
I do wish someone close to her could help her see this.

http://www.mohavecourts.com/highprofile/Rector/1193-Felony Indictment9112014.pdf
In the above link it states a charge of abandonment of a dead body.
It reads that JJR knowingly moved a dead body with the intent to conceal the body or parts.
Are we to take this that Bella wasn't killed were her body was found in the wash?
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I think Tania is totally tone deaf. She just doesn't quite get normal reactions. Could be how she was brought up, could be drugs, could be a mental disorder.

I mean it is one thing to think that sort of thing, another to say it as if it is perfectly normal to the public. She obviously has a disconnect. Lets be honest, she isn't the first person who in a tragedy has put some of the blame on the victim because she can't handle blaming herself. It isn't that unusual, parents do it all the time when a child has scared the *#*) out of them and first its relief that something bad didn't happen and then anger they placed themselves in danger by running away or climbing the cupboards to get the cookies etc. when they could have tumbled.

I am NOT saying that natural reaction of parents is what Tania is doing but hers is the extreme end of it. And i have seen people blame tragedies on the victims, such as if only she hadn't gone to that bar or if only she had stayed in to do homework or if only she hadn't had those drinks and driven. (ok that one is more understandable).

I THINK Tania means it as if only Bella had stayed in bed .. with no realization that it probably would have happened anyway and if only she hadn't let the creep around her it wouldn't have.

She just doesn't get it. She doesn't see it, she is unable to react appropriately. Which leaves me with some sympathy for her because I do think she is grieving but has totally put up walls to protect herself from the pain.
 
Magdalyn said:
What if she hadn't seen her all day/night, just knew she was in and out of the house. She may have been in the same general airspace as her Bella for the last 24 hours, but hadn't clapped eyes on her herself all afternoon/evening as she was occupied with her grown-up friends. The grown-ups left as a group after TG hollered a general (get to bed!) while she's half in/half out of the house. She's not sure where Justin was in/out of the house all day because it was labor day, and most of the grown ups were partaking in, for lack of a better phrase, celebrating.
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That makes lots of sense. And she is trying to fill in the blanks. I have done that before with my cats. I kept a close eye on them to be sure none escaped the screened in deck outside (busy road so the whole deck including roof made with wire mesh) by din't of a hole or something. I would see one outside and realize that even though i thought I had seen him throughout the day that I couldn't have but my memory would "make" it fit with what i imagined.
 
Magdalyn said:
What if she hadn't seen her all day/night, just knew she was in and out of the house. She may have been in the same general airspace as her Bella for the last 24 hours, but hadn't clapped eyes on her herself all afternoon/evening as she was occupied with her grown-up friends. The grown-ups left as a group after TG hollered a general (get to bed!) while she's half in/half out of the house. She's not sure where Justin was in/out of the house all day because it was labor day, and most of the grown ups were partaking in, for lack of a better phrase, celebrating.
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Now this is a story I could believe. And a truth that Mom would feel she needed to cover.
 
I want to say something in defense of Tania. We all trust the friends and family we have in our circle. They may have flaws but we wouldn't be friends if they were bad people so ipso facto they are good people unless proven otherwise...and what it says about our own judgement is not going to be accepted unless there is proof. In her case the flaws are drugs and alcohol but she still has friends and she isn't going to think badly of them because they are much like her.

Thats normal. One difference is that i doubt very much she would have even known how to look up a criminal record of someone let alone think of doing it. It is like the safe harbor laws for infants. 3/4 if the people who need to know about it don't while most of the people who don't need it do...because the different circumstances, teens that don't watch the news etc. etc. So the babies get dumped, abandoned or killed.

IMO if you had asked Tania if JRR could have abused and killed a child before this happened the answer would likely have been hell no, i would never let someone like that around my daughters. And ChuckMaureen is right drugs do not make someone a pedophile or murderer of children. So to her, she knew him for a long time, he seemed perfectly rformal for her group or circle of acquaintances and this imo has been a complete shock to her.

I don't think she is handling it right at all but I am not in her shoes and can only believe that grief and shock have been walled up behind thick defenses.
 
SilkySifaka said:
I want to say something in defense of Tania. We all trust the friends and family we have in our circle. They may have flaws but we wouldn't be friends if they were bad people so ipso facto they are good people unless proven otherwise...and what it says about our own judgement is not going to be accepted unless there is proof. In her case the flaws are drugs and alcohol but she still has friends and she isn't going to think badly of them because they are much like her.

Thats normal. One difference is that i doubt very much she would have even known how to look up a criminal record of someone let alone think of doing it. It is like the safe harbor laws for infants. 3/4 if the people who need to know about it don't while most of the people who don't need it do...because the different circumstances, teens that don't watch the news etc. etc. So the babies get dumped, abandoned or killed.

IMO if you had asked Tania if JRR could have abused and killed a child before this happened the answer would likely have been hell no, i would never let someone like that around my daughters. And ChuckMaureen is right drugs do not make someone a pedophile or murderer of children. So to her, she knew him for a long time, he seemed perfectly rformal for her group or circle of acquaintances and this imo has been a complete shock to her.

I don't think she is handling it right at all but I am not in her shoes and can only believe that grief and shock have been walled up behind thick defenses.
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Exactly... And since some of her friends/acquaintances in her inner circle have some very serious proven gang ties - one was even shot dead murdered a few years ago - what does that say about how much she valued her children's safety? One would have thought precautions and lifestyle changes would have been made after that. Just sayin...

As far as looking up someone's criminal record, she wouldn't have needed to do that if she was aware of their misgivings during the times of their crimes/incarcerations.
 
Yeah, it's like she thinks he wouldn't have got her out of bed. If she even slept in one, there a photo of her sleeping on the floor, nasty floor on myspace. I assume the bed she sat on with the dog interview was Bellas. She seems to think if she can just work out what Bella did wrong it will make sense. I don't think i've heard her wonder what went wrong with Justin? what made him snap? why that night? Why strangle her and not the older one? No worrying about why she went to walmart (allegedly) or what if we didn't need snacks? What if I wasn't into drugs and letting anyone around my kids? What if I had put her to bed and let Ralphy go to the store? None of that, just a lot of self pity and self preservation.
 
winterrose said:
This is an interview with TG's cousin today at the Memorial. She said something about 11:04 sounds like she says "left with my daughter", the kids were in the fort playing hide n go seek, and an hour later she got a call Bella was missing. So where's this fort, outside in the yard, in the house, because I thought they were playing hide n go seek downstairs? If they supposedly left at 11:30 for Walmart, who was playing hide n go seek, just Bella and the 10 yo? That makes no sense, once again, another puzzle. http://www.mynews3.com/content/video/default.aspx?videoId=5330534&navCatId=30912
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It turns out TG did NOT leave her children alone with only JJR downstairs and a sleeping GM upstairs.

We now know (as per the cousin in an interview) at least TG's cousin and the cousin's daughter were also with TG's girls that evening, still at TG's house while TG and RF and whomever else left the house to go to Wal-Mart. It was after when the cousin and her daughter had left the house (and maybe whomever else had already left or maybe no one else was there) and Isabella's sister had taken a bathroom break that JJR kidnapped Isabella.

The cousin and her daughter left TG's house @ 11:04 PM. Less than one hour later the cousin received a phone call (from whom is unknown) informing her that Isabella had gone missing. I'm guessing they also asked the cousin, "Do you have Isabella?" (speculation).

This mother lost her child at the hands of a long-time family friend. A family friend who had known Isabella all her life. Eight years. Something unexpectedly snapped in that freak. Isabella was murdered. And a mother is grieving.

Isabella, by ALL accounts, was a happy, fun-loving, generous child. Everybody loved Isabella, including her grieving mother. And guess who had raised Isabella to be the child she had become? Tania Grogan.

Yes, it is not all about TG. It is about Isabella. Well, Isabella is passed, and TG is less one beautiful child. And her pain is real. Her shock is real. See my earlier post regarding TG and 'self-pity'. It still applies.

Of course, TG should have not have opened her home to JJR. But, given JJR was a long-time family friend, a friend for at least eight years. Isabella's entire lifetime. A friend who had babysat TG's children without reported incident. A long-time family friend who was just out of rehab and needed a place to couch surf. Yes, the safety of her children should have taken priority, and maybe in her eyes that was the case: at least we know in this instance TG did NOT leave her children alone with JJR. Did TG expect to be home from Wal-Mart before the cousin-and-daughter left the house, never expecting that her own children would be left alone with JJR?

I can not imagine the shock TG felt when she learned who had murdered her child.

JJR is the sick freak, and TG made a tragic mistake that many others could have made given similar circumstances (and some might argue they would NOT have made that mistake because of the circumstances, and with that I would agree).

Accept the truth.
 
SilkySifaka said:
I want to say something in defense of Tania. We all trust the friends and family we have in our circle. They may have flaws but we wouldn't be friends if they were bad people so ipso facto they are good people unless proven otherwise...and what it says about our own judgement is not going to be accepted unless there is proof. In her case the flaws are drugs and alcohol but she still has friends and she isn't going to think badly of them because they are much like her.

Thats normal. One difference is that i doubt very much she would have even known how to look up a criminal record of someone let alone think of doing it. It is like the safe harbor laws for infants. 3/4 if the people who need to know about it don't while most of the people who don't need it do...because the different circumstances, teens that don't watch the news etc. etc. So the babies get dumped, abandoned or killed.

IMO if you had asked Tania if JRR could have abused and killed a child before this happened the answer would likely have been hell no, i would never let someone like that around my daughters. And ChuckMaureen is right drugs do not make someone a pedophile or murderer of children. So to her, she knew him for a long time, he seemed perfectly rformal for her group or circle of acquaintances and this imo has been a complete shock to her.

I don't think she is handling it right at all but I am not in her shoes and can only believe that grief and shock have been walled up behind thick defenses.
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SilkySifaka, thank you for posing such an insightful and spot-on commentary. I agree with every word. It is a shame so many people are unable to see past their anger or hatred or past their own pain. These cases are difficult for everyone.
 
Isabelle said:
Did I really just hear TG say she would ask her daughter why she didn't just stay in bed. Is she really blaming Isabella! Enraged here!
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Within the depth of grief, it is not unusual for some people to seemingly 'blame' the victim. We know a woman who lost her husband to a heart attack, and during the memorial gathering we witnessed her crying and verbalizing her grief to thin air: "Oh, Ken. Why didn't you take better care of yourself. Why. Why did you leave me all alone."

Shame on people who do not fully understand that grief affects each of us similarly and also differently.
 
In an effort to pin down this slithering timeline:

RF to 911:

The last time they saw Bella was allegedly 60-90 minutes prior to the 911 call at 1:18am. This means they left the house to go to Walmart between 11:45-12:15
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Bella's sister has been reported as last seeing Bella at about 11:30, with JR (which means yes, TG and RF did know JR was still there)
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TG to the media:

After they got the call notifying them Bella was missing, they came home and searched for over 40 minutes before calling 911 at 1:18. This means they were home, allegedly, before 12:40?
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TG's cousin states she left TG's home at 11:04 and less than an hour later, gets a call saying Bella is missing (so just before midnight). Who called her?

These time statements seem to me, to point at one thing, assuming that is, they're all factual statements (and I realize this is a stretch). TG, RF and JR seemed to have all left the house, and Bella went missing ALL around the SAME time.

Now we're reading "Rector bragged on Facebook posts about being questioned about the missing child then being released, but it was later mentioned that he was released only because he was using being with the mother of the child as his alibi." http://www.vvng.com/arrest-made-for-kidnapping-and-murder-of-bella/

If I'm missing something, someone please point it out?

I know LE has the video of him shoplifting at Walmart, but I'd sure love to know what that time stamp says.
 
WillenFan21 said:
I need to get something off my chest about this case. Also to be clear at this point I don't know who did what but this is something I have been thinking about. One thing that bothers me about this case is that JJR has not ben charged with sexual abuse yet Bella's body was found without any underwear/pants on. I know that there are other ways he could have sexually abused her but the fact of the matter is that sexual abuse is not listed on his charges of indictment. I don't get that and it leaves me with wondering WHY would he kill this little girl? I know we all ask ourselves "why?" when it comes to all cases that are like this. I just don't understand. I threw this theory out before and I'm going to do it again. What if TG and her boyfriend threw JJR under the bus because he was the easiest target due to his rap sheet? I mean seriously guys what if he didn't even do it? He would be the easiest person that TG could throw under the bus because of his record. I'm not saying I don't think he had involvement I'm just throwing this out there to see what people think. What if they had the 10 year old little girl make something up to cover all their asses to make it more believable to the police? The police would be more apt to believe the 10 year old since she's a child. What if Bella had an accident that night and TG or someone in the home snapped? I'm trying to understand why this little girl was found with no underwear on and yet there is no charges of sexual abuse against JJR. I'm just trying to make sense here IDK who did what and am waiting for more to come out on this case but this is just something to think about. I really think her being found with no pants on and there being no signs of sexual abuse thus far is going to be key to this case. JMO
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The footprints at the site match his. He had a shoe taped together with duct tape that left an imprint in the dirt. That's pretty tight evidence he was at least there.
 
Inthedetails said:
The footprints at the site match his. He had a shoe tapped together with duct tape that left an imprint in the dirt. That's pretty tight evidence he was at least there.
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Ah I didn't know about the foot prints and stuff.
 
Krystine said:
We can only draw conclusions that TG has been 'self medicating', which would add to any mental health issues she might have.
IMO it's noble but really naive to think that "we" should have/could have "reached out" and helped this situation before Isabella's
tragic murder. I have huge issues with that line of thinking.
There are countless programs for addicts and social workers and counsellors tripping over one another to help. It's a lot sexier for some reason than helping an average person who has fallen on hard times.
I have read countless posts about society having to reach out and be understanding and supportive. My big question is "HOW DO YOU PROPOSE "WE" DO THAT"?
Anyone who has watched a single episode of Dr. Phil knows that family and friends can grovel and plead but 'these people' have them by the 'shorts' and are calling all the shots. They largely don't want help, don't want to make changes,...Please enlighten me and tell me what we should be doing?
I found my way onto some of the social media sites set up for the purpose of bashing TG, and agree, they are disgusting and represent the worst side of human nature. I am in no way aligning myself with those groups, just to be clear.
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Krystine, if I had that answer I certainly would not be wasting time on Websleuths. I would be pounding the street implementing the genius plan designed to cure everyone from all addictive behavior. :nurse:


On a serious note, too many people simply ignore the situation because they do not have an answer or an idea. To date, intervention with follow-up is the only methodology on which I would rely, beyond the addicted person's own decision to seek help by their own accord and stick with it.

I have lead a few interventions back in the day, and the initial confrontations were never pretty. Those involved must be prepared to see the person they've known for many year become an entirely different person, a stranger who will fight you, try to verbally and physically hurt you, try to escape, destroy property, become sick. Refuse refuse refuse. Deny deny deny. "Why are you doing this to me??!!! Leave me alone!!" The experiences are extremely draining but I had always relied on this belief: the amount of work required is equivalent to the value of the reward, which in most cases is the very life of the person being saved.
 
I feel the need to preface this with the fact that I am NOT defending TG. I believe that your children come first, period. (And I say this as a recovered addict addicted to narcotics while I had small children. Thank GOD I never lost my mind. There but for the grace of God go I.)

Having said all of that, I'm a huge believer that we are products of our environments. If TGs mom that was never a mom lived a similar lifestyle, why would TG think to give her own daughters a better life? On the flip side I also believe that, as an adult, there comes a time to accept responsibility for your life/actions/ feelings and stop the blame game. Only I can create the life I desire...my past does not have to define that. My heart bleeds for that sweet 10 year old sister. I have seen video of her where she looks deeply sad and her eyes are void the sparkle most kids have. I am grateful she has a gramma like SW and hope she can break this vicious cycle.
 
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