AZ - Timothy Romans, 39, & Vincent Romero, 29, slain, St Johns, 5 Nov 2008 - #2

[Ms Suzanne]

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JMHO
fran

PS.....I don't know if anyone else would agree with me, but the boy having a ledger and 'story' about this? Doesn't this sound a little bit too perfect? I know we're constantly amazed at the stupidity of criminals, but............this is TOO coincidental, IMHO......fran


I agree.It does sound too perfect.I was thinking the same things.The casings were near the front door near Mr romans body and the boys gun was just inside the door on a cage.Jeez,I wonder what happened here.

suzanne

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Hi
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JMHO
fran

PS.....I don't know if anyone else would agree with me, but the boy having a ledger and 'story' about this? Doesn't this sound a little bit too perfect? I know we're constantly amazed at the stupidity of criminals, but............this is TOO coincidental, IMHO......fran


I agree.It does sound too perfect.I was thinking the same things.The casings were near the front door near Mr romans body and the boys gun was just inside the door on a cage.Jeez,I wonder what happened here.

suzanne

Yes, if they find that he did keep a ledger and just happened to find his "Story" close to the body enough for it to have blood on it I think is highly significant.

They will be able to determine who's fingerprints are on it. Did he leave it purposefully perhaps, on the stairsteps for his father to find and his father stood there reading it and that is when he fired?

Could be bloody fingerprints there too on other things like the walls, even the weapon. And since brain matter was seen, most likely there will be some of that on the gun itself where it blew back or possibly on his clothing.

imoo

 

[oceanblueeyes]

So now we find out that these two men had recently been in a dispute with 'coworkers and someone in a local bar.' Also that one (previously) had a drug problem AND was going through a divorce (with the person he was alleged to be talking to just prior to his death). Now we have grandparents say they 'thought' the boy did it?

How were these grandparents related? ie the bio mom's parents? the step mom's parents? the bio dad's parents?

Who, what, when, where were these recent 'arguments' with others?

I would like to know more details about the boarders relationship with his wife. I would also like to know IF the boarder had a life insurance policy, etc.

I have two grandsons, one being eight, the other twelve. While both of these boys are extremely smart, I still can't see them plotting and carrying out this crime (on their own). I've raised six children and not ONE of them would have been capable of plotting such a diabolical scheme. Not ONE. (on their own!)

The fact that the boy mentioned 'juvie' doesn't mean a thing to me. SOMEONE may have already discussed that with the boy prior to the murders.

I'm still not ready to throw this boy under the bus for this crime. Something isn't right here. I just can't put my finger on it........

I need to know a LOT more! I HOPE LE isn't ready to throw away the key here. That's too easy, IMO. MUCH too easy............

JMHO
fran

PS.....I don't know if anyone else would agree with me, but the boy having a ledger and 'story' about this? Doesn't this sound a little bit too perfect? I know we're constantly amazed at the stupidity of criminals, but............this is TOO coincidental, IMHO......fran

Well criminals are well known to do stupid things. Usually that is what catches them. Remember Scott Dyleski? He kept his "to do list" right in his home after he had murdered Pam Vitale.

imoo

 

[twinkiesmom]

Some children are just more unruly than others and requires more discipline.

This child has no record of being unruly.

 

[Ms Suzanne]

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I'm curious on this swat list.How many swats were tallied up?

suzanne

 

[twinkiesmom]

How were these grandparents related? ie the bio mom's parents? the step mom's parents? the bio dad's parents?

The grandparents quoted are clearly the paternal grandparents (i.e., the deceased's parents).

 

[fran]

Well criminals are well known to do stupid things. Usually that is what catches them. Remember Scott Dyleski? He kept his "to do list" right in his home after he had murdered Pam Vitale.

imoo

You're right oceanblueeyes. I'd forgotten about Scott. But, Scott was also twice the age of this alleged perp.

The difference between 8 and almost 17 is HUGE.

I just can't see an eight year old making a 'to do list' for murder. It just isn't in their brain capacity, imo. That is, IF it isn't placed there by someone older.

This boy had never been in any trouble prior. How did he know about 'juvie?'

Something doesn't sit right with this case, IMO.

JMHO
fran

 

[colette]

The kid killed prairie dogs, he had to be fast and good with his gun.

I figure he thought about or asked someone what "happens to kids that kill or do bad things"... oh... they go to juvie.

 

[Hailiejade77]

Or maybe he was threatened all the time,.. "If you don't stop lying and start behaving, we are gonna send you to juvie." jmo

 

[Ms Suzanne]

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He probably heard it from the police.I'm just looking at alot of different directions now.In the transcripts it said the police were first called for one body?But the little boy went next door and said his father was dead?The boy next door was a teenager?

suzanne

 

[fran]

The grandparents quoted are clearly the paternal grandparents (i.e., the deceased's parents).

Thanks twinkiesmom.

I want to know more about this statement. Hopefully it will come out later.

fran

 

[colette]

In a new article..."Detectives were given permission by his stepmother to speak to the child without an adult present" At first they thought he was just a witness...

"Initially, cops thought the boy was in the home and had witnessed the murders. They also thought a family member was the killer. They were in fear of his safety and arrangements were being made for additional back-up in the event the child named the murderer."

Talking about the boys reaction.. "a police officer writes his affect was very flat. He did not appear to be upset about what he found when he arrived at home.
According to the report, his flat effect broke only when his stepmother arrived. He started crying when she approached him and hugged him. "

Also kinda creepy.... "The little boy, who was surrounded by two detention officers, inquired about his cell phone saying my dad had one like that too but he’s not going to need it…he’s not coming back. "



http://www.azfamily.com/news/local/...-112708-more-court-docs-revelati.b34ef6b.html

 

[colette]

Another interesting gem, the boy had a cell phone...
"The document also quotes an interview with Vincent Romero’s wife, the boy’s step-mother. She told police that the boy was given a cell phone because the Romeros “were fearful that Eryn Bloomfield, (the boy’s) natural mother, may try to kidnap (the boy)."

http://www.abc15.com/content/news/n...ntent_id=f5279ad3-5830-4b5b-bc11-b71d79fb4911

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Another interesting gem, the boy had a cell phone...
"The document also quotes an interview with Vincent Romero’s wife, the boy’s step-mother. She told police that the boy was given a cell phone because the Romeros “were fearful that Eryn Bloomfield, (the boy’s) natural mother, may try to kidnap (the boy)."

http://www.abc15.com/content/news/n...ntent_id=f5279ad3-5830-4b5b-bc11-b71d79fb4911

Hmmmmm, makes me wonder if they didn't concoct this plan together the weekend before when she was there with him.

imoo

 

[grammieto5]

what's the story on the step mom?

 

[oceanblueeyes]

what's the story on the step mom?

She wasnt at home at the time. He knew she would be late that day.

 

[colette]

Hmmmmm, makes me wonder if they didn't concoct this plan together the weekend before when she was there with him.

imoo

I thought the same thing. I thought the murders were somehow tied to the visit. They have the visit then he kills them shortly after.

 

[Bobbisangel]

I wonder the same thing. He may have wanted to go home with his mom and she told him that he dad won't let him. She may have then suggested a way that he would be able to go with her and never have to leave. This mother may have believed that they wouldn't arrest an 8 yr old for murder. I wonder if she didn't tell him that he may have to go to Juvie for a few days but that would be all and then he could leave with her. She would have had to make him swear that he wouldn't tell anyone that they had talked about this or the police would throw her in jail and he would never see her again. It is just strange that this happened right after her visit.

According to the grandparents dad was to hard on the little boy and that is why they think he did what he did. Often grandparents think parents are to hard on the grandkids. That isn't unusual I don't think. It doesn't mean that the parents were actually to hard though.

I don't see anything wrong with a child getting 5 swats especially if the problem had been an ongoing problem about the same subject. We have heard nothing about his getting a beating or getting beaten all of the time...not even from the boy. Over on In Session some now believe that it was corporal punishment and that he was a terribly abused little boy. Maybe he was but so far there is no proof of that. According to the same source the dad and Tim were terrible people selling drugs...getting arrested for drugs...cheats...on and on. Tim might even have been beating the boy! Not for a second could this boy have committed these crimes.

Children often think their parents are to hard on them. If they have to do chores...homework...can't watch TV until those things are done...you name it...the parents are unfair. If they get restricted it is the same story. If you listen to some kids they live in a nightmare of a home and are treated so badly. It's just not fair! A spanking would surly equal child abuse at it's worst when in fact they may have gotten a few swats. Some kids are terribly abused but for the kids that aren't....they think they are if they get diciplined.

The majority of kids who are really abused in some way show it at school. They show it in their behavior or they withdraw from everyone. That is one way teachers can tell if something is wrong. Nothing has been reported about this boy having behavioral problems at school or being withdrawn. It seems he was just a normal boy who had friends and was involved in sports, etc like the other little boys.

I wonder where the story about the boy keeping count of the spankings came from. Maybe the boy mentioned something about it to someone. I don't think any paper like that was found during search warrents.

So many people want to believe that LE is setting this boy up for the murders. Personally I just can't see that. This little boy is 8 yrs old. Who would want an 8 yr old to be guilty of killing two people...one being his dad? The police and detectives probably have kids at home or grandkids. I don't think they would want this boy to be guilty and would try and prove that he wasn't before they would try and prove that he is. It must be heartbreaking to everyone working on this case. It's heartbreaking to me. I hope he isn't guilty but everything seems to point to him. I think the interviews were a little leading or suggestive but the woman that was interviewing him was very kind to him in my opinion anyway. She never raised her voice at him and seemed very compassionate towards him. She was doing her job even though she probably would rather have been anywhere else. It will be good when all of the testing comes back and fact will become fact.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

This morning there is new information released.

http://www.azfamily.com/news/


Vincent Romero was shot 4 times. Once to the elbow, twice to the head and once in the BACK.

IMO, each and every shot was done from behind. The one hitting his elbow, the two shots to the head and the shot to his back.

This shows me that he never knew anyone was there with a gun that was laying in wait to end his life.

He made it half way up the stairs by a hallway and that is where he died.

I just keep thinking how this boy seemed to have an answer for everything the police officers asked him. Like he had practiced what he was going to say.

I just keep thinking how he said he was in trouble all the time for lying.

I just keep thinking that the biological mother's departure on the previous weekend and the timing of this event is not a coincidence.

imo

 

[Trino]

This morning there is new information released.

http://www.azfamily.com/news/


Vincent Romero was shot 4 times. Once to the elbow, twice to the head and once in the BACK. IMO, each and every shot was done from behind. The one hitting his elbow, the two shots to the head and the shot to his back. This shows me that he never knew anyone was there with a gun that was laying in wait to end his life. He made it half way up the stairs by a hallway and that is where he died. I just keep thinking how this boy seemed to have an answer for everything the police officers asked him. Like he had practiced what he was going to say. I just keep thinking how he said he was in trouble all the time for lying. I just keep thinking that the biological mother's departure on the previous weekend and the timing of this event is not a coincidence. imo

Check out the first video on the site: Back in Custody. The inference is that the boy may have shot his father, shot Romans, then went back and shot his father again. Chilling.