GUILTY Bali - Sheila von Wiese Mack, 62, found dead in suitcase, 12 Aug 2014 #2

[Hiandmighty]

Apparently the trash on the beach is a seasonal thing that happens in January.

http://www.weather.com/travel/trash-season-arrives-bali-beach-photos-20140123

 

[possumheart]

Apparently the trash on the beach is a seasonal thing that happens in January.

http://www.weather.com/travel/trash-season-arrives-bali-beach-photos-20140123

I was on North Stradbroke Island (off Queensland) a couple of years ago and a local fisherman was commenting on the rubbish that had washed up there after the Tsunami in Japan. I feel so sorry for the burden on the planet's marine life from humans.
And in response to the posters a few hours ago, Schapelle Corby gives me the absolute creeps.

 

[nightwatch]

I have gone through every single thing of Tommy's that I can find. His relationship with his exgf was very serious. They dated off and on since grade school. They were very big parts of each other's lives. It definitely wasn't Tommy taking advantage of her death for media exposure as some have suggested. He really does seem deeply affected by her death according to his online comments and such. She was a humanitarian and college student. He did drop out of college to pursue a music career. Some people question that but I know people that have done this - one of my friends did this same thing but not for music but instead for television. He followed his dreams instead of his parents dreams and have produced some long running tv series, still going strong. That's the same thing John Mayer did and look how he turned out. Tommy smoked weed. To that I say big deal, 90% of kids have done that. He might not have had alot of money growing up, but he had a mom that worked her butt off. Theres absolutely nothing that I've come across that even suggests Tommy wasn't parented right except for people running their mouths that didn't really know him. Reviewing his social media shows nothing really horrible until he met Heather.

Is it possible that Tommy wasn't even in the room with Sheila and Heather but helped Heather out of panic bc he'd already lost the love of his life, plus grew up without a father and didn't want his baby to grow up without a dad - if that's even his baby? I'm not sure I buy into what Bali police said about sex after the murder. Idk, when would they have found the time? Maybe Bali police discovered a couple naked people when they arrested them sleeping but maybe they weren't wearing clothes bc the clothes they fled in were the only ones they had so they shed them for sleep so Bali PD assumed they'd had sex? Maybe Tommy didn't want to lose another person...or maybe he just wanted to get back to the US where he could explain himself to someone he could trust? He isn't some spoiled rich kid that doesn't know how to act. What he did in helping to cover up Sheila's death was wrong, but if he wasn't involved in her death then does he deserve death himself? I'm thinking Heather got into a row with her mom as usual, maybe threw the lamp or that ornamental piece that was described as an ashtray, and Sheila died - accidentally...but it would be considered murder bc of the history of fighting. You have to "think" before you pick up a substantial object and throw it at somebody's head, which again suggests murder - but maybe it was a heat of the moment fight. So I'm kind of wondering now if this is a case of a boy that followed the crowd and became lost in it. Kwim? Is it at all possible?

Respectfully Jumping off your post

On the last thread I posted tommy had plenty of time to go down or call for security IF he didn't kill Mrs Mack. IMO he is just as guilty as HM, we can see HM didn't fold her mother's body up by herself. Tommy may at one point been an OK kid who through his youthful eyes tried to be a rapper like a million others his age.

He made a heck of a lot of mistakes.
1) expecting someone else to pay for his flight and room.
2) touching Mrs Mack at all let alone fighting with her
3) wheeling her body down to the cab (plenty of time to stop and say hey HM killed her mother) placing it in the trunk.
4) fleeing the hotel
5) checking into another hotel knowing credit card used was stollen.

He could have gone to the US consulate's office and reported I had nothing to do with this. . Instead he chose to layup in bed with HM where he was arrested. Lie, steal, murderer is where he belongs. Jmo hope he's eating rice and fish heads without a spoon. Moo



ciao

 

[Jersey*Girl]

Holy crap. :gasp:

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/la...559942582?nk=29e3d19866cb1e2045878490899daa87

The death penalty is carried out in Indonesia by firing squad, normally in the middle of the night in a remote place, illuminated by flood lights. The public are not allowed to witness executions.

Members of the police force’s elite Brimob paramilitary brigade make up firing squads. They consist of 12 armed soldiers however only three of them actually have live rounds in their weapons – the rest have blanks. Nobody knows who has the live rounds and who has the blanks. This is to ease the conscience of the firing squad and so that no-one knows who fired the killer shot.

The condemned person is tied to a wooden cross or post and the spot of their heart is illuminated on a vest they wear to guide the firing squad. The prisoner can elect to wear a hood or not and can have a religious person present until the last moments.

 

[Jersey*Girl]

Respectfully Jumping off your post

On the last thread I posted tommy had plenty of time to go down or call for security IF he didn't kill Mrs Mack. IMO he is just as guilty as HM, we can see HM didn't fold her mother's body up by herself. Tommy may at one point been an OK kid who through his youthful eyes tried to be a rapper like a million others his age.

He made a heck of a lot of mistakes.
1) expecting someone else to pay for his flight and room.
2) touching Mrs Mack at all let alone fighting with her
3) wheeling her body down to the cab (plenty of time to stop and say hey HM killed her mother) placing it in the trunk.
4) fleeing the hotel
5) checking into another hotel knowing credit card used was stollen.

He could have gone to the US consulate's office and reported I had nothing to do with this. . Instead he chose to layup in bed with HM where he was arrested. Lie, steal, murderer is where he belongs. Jmo hope he's eating rice and fish heads without a spoon. Moo

ciao

I agree with everything you said except for him expecting for someone else to pay for his flight & room. If somebody offers prior to leaving to take you on vacay with them by paying for your flight & room, then surely you'd expect not to have to foot that bill for said flight & room. Its absolutely obvious he didn't have the money to go to Bali so of course this trip would have had to of been offered to him. Therefore, to be put on the spot at the last moment once there is unfair and should be illegal if its not written as such. I agree that he is culpable of helping hide and clean up evidence, but I'm not of the opinion that he should be killed without proof that he's the one that did the killing of Sheila when so much more points to the culprit being Heather. The difference between Tommy & Heather is that Tommy showed promise but Heather didn't. Heather and her mother lived in a very vicious cycle. Tommy didn't. I automatically judged by media reports as well in the beginning. Then I dug into stuff. So now I'm of a different stance, not completely different but rather just a different facet.

 

[nightwatch]

I agree with everything you said except for him expecting for someone else to pay for his flight & room. If somebody offers prior to leaving to take you on vacay with them by paying for your flight & room, then surely you'd expect not to have to foot that bill for said flight & room. Its absolutely obvious he didn't have the money to go to Bali so of course this trip would have had to of been offered to him. Therefore, to be put on the spot at the last moment once there is unfair and should be illegal if its not written as such. I agree that he is culpable of helping hide and clean up evidence, but I'm not of the opinion that he should be killed without proof that he's the one that did the killing of Sheila when so much more points to the culprit being Heather. The difference between Tommy & Heather is that Tommy showed promise but Heather didn't. Heather and her mother lived in a very vicious cycle. Tommy didn't. I automatically judged by media reports as well in the beginning. Then I dug into stuff. So now I'm of a different stance, not completely different but rather just a different facet.

If TS was offered a trip to Bali I don't Mrs Mack offered it. TS already knew iirc that HM (had no money of her own) was stealing her mothers credit cards she was already in trouble for that in July. Knowing all this in advance of going to Bali he was setting himself up for problems.

IMO this maybe why LE are looking at premeditated murder. Idk just jmt.

ciao

 

[seattlechiquita]

I agree with everything you said except for him expecting for someone else to pay for his flight & room. If somebody offers prior to leaving to take you on vacay with them by paying for your flight & room, then surely you'd expect not to have to foot that bill for said flight & room. Its absolutely obvious he didn't have the money to go to Bali so of course this trip would have had to of been offered to him. Therefore, to be put on the spot at the last moment once there is unfair and should be illegal if its not written as such. I agree that he is culpable of helping hide and clean up evidence, but I'm not of the opinion that he should be killed without proof that he's the one that did the killing of Sheila when so much more points to the culprit being Heather. The difference between Tommy & Heather is that Tommy showed promise but Heather didn't. Heather and her mother lived in a very vicious cycle. Tommy didn't. I automatically judged by media reports as well in the beginning. Then I dug into stuff. So now I'm of a different stance, not completely different but rather just a different facet.

I agree with you in most points, except the bolded part. Sheila seems didn't even know Tommy was going to show up, the payment was on Heather (who apparently paid for his ticket following what we know of the argument) or him, not on Sheila. Nothing unfair about not having to cover for your crazy daughter's lover. Nothing against Tommy (thank you for the sleuthing of him, gives me a new perspective on him).

If if if if Tommy was there at the moment of the attack, he had the physical force to stop it and didn't do so, then he is as guilty as Heather of murder one.

If he showed up when Sheila was dead and didn't report/helped break her poor body and put in suitcase/ drag down with luggage, etc = guilty as sin.

In either case he is not an innocent bystander. A decent guy would not cover something like this up and then escape a-la Natural Born Killers- no way Jose.

 

[Jersey*Girl]

If TS was offered a trip to Bali I don't Mrs Mack offered it. TS already knew iirc that HM (had no money of her own) was stealing her mothers credit cards she was already in trouble for that in July. Knowing all this in advance of going to Bali he was setting himself up for problems.

IMO this maybe why LE are looking at premeditated murder. Idk just jmt.

ciao

Totally agree. I believe it was Heather that offered the trip to Tommy. The thing I'm stuck on is that Heather used her mom's credit card/s whenever she felt like it. If Sheila had such a problem with it, why didn't she flag her accounts, or her SSN even, so that her cards couldn't be used - or her signature used - without proof of identification? It seems to me, just by reading the police reports alone, that she didn't question Heather every single time she used her card/s but instead only hindered certain transactions that she may have wanted to convey her authority over. Heather had been using her moms credit for years, it's not anything recent. It seems as though she had free reign as long as Sheila agreed with the purchases even if it was after the fact. However, maybe she held a grudge against Tommy (or whomever else Heather was with) bc of Heather not being found for several weeks until just before the Bali trip. I think Sheila had no idea a ticket was purchased for Tommy and this trip was offered by Heather, then Tommy got there and surprised the crap out of Sheila, which in turn put Tommy on the spot and in the middle of a battle between Heather and her mother. I think Sheila taking a stance on not paying for Tommy's room was to show authority over Heather - not Tommy - bc she was tired of being manipulated and coerced by her daughter. It probably freaked Tommy out to be blindsided by that. Probably freaked Heather out as well.

 

[Jersey*Girl]

I agree with you in most points, except the bolded part. Sheila seems didn't even know Tommy was going to show up, the payment was on Heather (who apparently paid for his ticket following what we know of the argument) or him, not on Sheila. Nothing unfair about not having to cover for your crazy daughter's lover. Nothing against Tommy (thank you for the sleuthing of him, gives me a new perspective on him).

If if if if Tommy was there at the moment of the attack, he had the physical force to stop it and didn't do so, then he is as guilty as Heather of murder one.

If he showed up when Sheila was dead and didn't report/helped break her poor body and put in suitcase/ drag down with luggage, etc = guilty as sin.

In either case he is not an innocent bystander. A decent guy would not cover something like this up and then escape a-la Natural Born Killers- no way Jose.

Totally agree with you. I don't think Sheila had a single clue Tommy was showing up in Bali.

 

[Jersey*Girl]

Something to think about... Heather & Sheila were in a different hotel when they first arrived in Bali, then changed hotels as per their plans. Tommy was supposed to leave alot earlier than he did but was delayed bc of passport issues. Was a room rented for Tommy at the first hotel? If not then why was one rented at the hotel in which Sheila was killed? Could it be bc Sheila didn't even know Tommy was coming to Bali so when she was confronted with his unexpected presence she said he's not staying in their room and would have to get his own room? I'm curious who in fact rented Tommy's room. Did Tommy? Did Heather? If it was Heather, did she use her mom's cc?

 

[seattlechiquita]

Totally agree with you. I don't think Sheila had a single clue Tommy was showing up in Bali.

Yep. For what we know, she took this trip to try and reconnect with princess :dramaqueen: ---who evidently had no intentions of doing so. I feel so sad for Sheila.

 

[Jersey*Girl]

Yep. For what we know, she took this trip to try and reconnect with princess :dramaqueen: ---who evidently had no intentions of doing so. I feel so sad for Sheila.

Me too. Very sad.

 

[Kamille]

Something to think about... Heather & Sheila were in a different hotel when they first arrived in Bali, then changed hotels as per their plans. Tommy was supposed to leave alot earlier than he did but was delayed bc of passport issues. Was a room rented for Tommy at the first hotel? If not then why was one rented at the hotel in which Sheila was killed? Could it be bc Sheila didn't even know Tommy was coming to Bali so when she was confronted with his unexpected presence she said he's not staying in their room and would have to get his own room? I'm curious who in fact rented Tommy's room. Did Tommy? Did Heather? If it was Heather, did she use her mom's cc?

Just the fact that Tommy showed up at the proper hotel when he finally did arrive in Bali indicates to me that he and Heather were in constant contact during the time she was in Bali without him, and those texts and calls will likely make up part of the evidence. Now when he showed up, I'm thinking he didn't have a room reservation. And you can't just have an extra person staying in your room without paying for it. Some resorts don't allow three adults to stay in the same room at all. So one way or another, Sheila was going to end up footing the bill for Tommy's unexpected arrival. And considering she herself was using points for her stay, I'm sure that did not go over well at all.

MOO

 

[Kamille]

Totally agree. I believe it was Heather that offered the trip to Tommy. The thing I'm stuck on is that Heather used her mom's credit card/s whenever she felt like it. If Sheila had such a problem with it, why didn't she flag her accounts, or her SSN even, so that her cards couldn't be used - or her signature used - without proof of identification? It seems to me, just by reading the police reports alone, that she didn't question Heather every single time she used her card/s but instead only hindered certain transactions that she may have wanted to convey her authority over. Heather had been using her moms credit for years, it's not anything recent. It seems as though she had free reign as long as Sheila agreed with the purchases even if it was after the fact. However, maybe she held a grudge against Tommy (or whomever else Heather was with) bc of Heather not being found for several weeks until just before the Bali trip. I think Sheila had no idea a ticket was purchased for Tommy and this trip was offered by Heather, then Tommy got there and surprised the crap out of Sheila, which in turn put Tommy on the spot and in the middle of a battle between Heather and her mother. I think Sheila taking a stance on not paying for Tommy's room was to show authority over Heather - not Tommy - bc she was tired of being manipulated and coerced by her daughter. It probably freaked Tommy out to be blindsided by that. Probably freaked Heather out as well.

Tommy posted that he was going to Indonesia the same weekend they were staying in that Conrad hotel in Chicago I believe. So the ticket was likely purchased online while they were at that hotel. On the same credit card they were using to stay in the hotel? Or did HM have a few to choose from? No wonder the credit card company called SWM about odd purchases that weekend. Now was she told about the plane ticket purchase or just about the hotel charges? Because from what I understand, when she was told about the hotel charges she called the police to go deal with it.

And I don't think Heather was missing for "several weeks" prior to the Bali trip. I think she was missing for "several days" about 3 weeks before the Bali trip. And she spent those days in the Conrad hotel with Tommy and a bunch of other friends.

MOO

 

[nightwatch]

Lol those of us on Tapatalk, fighting autocorrect, sometime when I reread my post omg!! Lol[emoji5]

ciao

 

[RK77]

Look at the Sales History - it tells you a number of things.

Aside from telling us that it was bought by John Mack in 1992 from Kaye C. Mack, and then sold in 1996 to Kaye Clements (most likely his ex-wife), it was sold in 2013 to 647 Linden, Inc. for $650,000.

Could it be possible that prior to its sale in 2013, SWM formed a corporation 647 Linden, Inc. to protect her assets and possibly take the proceeds from the home's sale out of the estate. It seems like she sold the house for a bargain to 647 Linden Inc. Perhaps she did it to limit what HM would be entitled to. Knowing that the home needed work and that she was moving to the city, perhaps SWM was being savvy by fixing the place up and then having the ultimate proceeds of the house - which is now on the market for $1.7 million - go to a corporation that would fall under corporate law. Perhaps she had more assets than we thought.

http://chicago.blockshopper.com/property/16064140090000/647_linden

I looked up the corporation details with the Illinois Secretary of State - 647 Linden, Inc. only shows a registered agent - who also happens to be an attorney in Oak Park.

http://www.ilsos.gov/corporatellc/CorporateLlcController

Or...I could be totally wrong. All I do know is that Linden Ave. is one of the nicest streets in Oak Park. Regardless of the homes condition, I would have thought the house was worth a lot more than $650,000.

 

[RK77]

Sorry James Mack, not John Mack.

 

[Jersey*Girl]

Look at the Sales History - it tells you a number of things.

Aside from telling us that it was bought by John Mack in 1992 from Kaye C. Mack, and then sold in 1996 to Kaye Clements (most likely his ex-wife), it was sold in 2013 to 647 Linden, Inc. for $650,000.

Could it be possible that prior to its sale in 2013, SWM formed a corporation 647 Linden, Inc. to protect her assets and possibly take the proceeds from the home's sale out of the estate. It seems like she sold the house for a bargain to 647 Linden Inc. Perhaps she did it to limit what HM would be entitled to. Knowing that the home needed work and that she was moving to the city, perhaps SWM was being savvy by fixing the place up and then having the ultimate proceeds of the house - which is now on the market for $1.7 million - go to a corporation that would fall under corporate law. Perhaps she had more assets than we thought.

http://chicago.blockshopper.com/property/16064140090000/647_linden

I looked up the corporation details with the Illinois Secretary of State - 647 Linden, Inc. only shows a registered agent - who also happens to be an attorney in Oak Park.

http://www.ilsos.gov/corporatellc/CorporateLlcController

Or...I could be totally wrong. All I do know is that Linden Ave. is one of the nicest streets in Oak Park. Regardless of the homes condition, I would have thought the house was worth a lot more than $650,000.

My same thought exactly...especially considering the house was worth 1.6m plus.

 

[Kamille]

Look at the Sales History - it tells you a number of things.

Aside from telling us that it was bought by John Mack in 1992 from Kaye C. Mack, and then sold in 1996 to Kaye Clements (most likely his ex-wife), it was sold in 2013 to 647 Linden, Inc. for $650,000.

Could it be possible that prior to its sale in 2013, SWM formed a corporation 647 Linden, Inc. to protect her assets and possibly take the proceeds from the home's sale out of the estate. It seems like she sold the house for a bargain to 647 Linden Inc. Perhaps she did it to limit what HM would be entitled to. Knowing that the home needed work and that she was moving to the city, perhaps SWM was being savvy by fixing the place up and then having the ultimate proceeds of the house - which is now on the market for $1.7 million - go to a corporation that would fall under corporate law. Perhaps she had more assets than we thought.

http://chicago.blockshopper.com/property/16064140090000/647_linden

I looked up the corporation details with the Illinois Secretary of State - 647 Linden, Inc. only shows a registered agent - who also happens to be an attorney in Oak Park.

http://www.ilsos.gov/corporatellc/CorporateLlcController

Or...I could be totally wrong. All I do know is that Linden Ave. is one of the nicest streets in Oak Park. Regardless of the homes condition, I would have thought the house was worth a lot more than $650,000.

I think the house was purchased by a savvy group of home "flippers" who lowballed the price when they purchased the home from SWM and then put some extensive renovations into it to list it for a million dollars more than what they purchased it for. And because it's likely more than one person involved in that purchase, perhaps they "incorporated" themselves strictly for this purpose, hence the name? It appears that this was an older house and it's unlikely that it had many upgrades during the time the Mack's were living there. James Mack could have been living there during three separate marriages and raising 6 children for upwards of 40 years. So while it was a big house, and likely in a good functioning state, it was not up to par with the grandeur of other homes on the street most likely. And this group must have seen and known it's potential when it was listed for sale. I bet they put less than a couple hundred grand into the upgrades. Has anyone found the original listing for the house back in 2013 when it was sold to find out what figure SWM was originally asking for? And perhaps what the interior looked like at that point?

MOO

ETA: It looks like she was asking $879,000 when she first listed it 02/23/13. The price was reduced to $750,000 03/02/13. There was a pending sale 03/15/13 which fell through. The house was relisted for $750,000 03/22/13. Another pending sale on 04/07/13 fell through. The listing was removed 05/23/13. Some time after that, someone obviously approached her (647 Linden Inc.?) and offered her $650,000 likely in a private sale to avoid real estate fees. This was accepted. The sale went through on 07/17/13.

http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/647-Linden-Ave-Oak-Park-IL-60302/3802838_zpid/

 

[Kamille]

Also FWIW, the home on Linden is listed very high based on the current Zillow estimates for homes in the area. So I'm not sure whether this home is going to sell in that price range anyway. They may be lucky to come out of it with around 1.1 million.

MOO