GUILTY Bali - Sheila von Wiese Mack, 62, found dead in suitcase, 12 Aug 2014 #4

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:bump: Some emails about the credit cards and travel. Also, there's suggestions by Elliott to Sheila on a reward/penalty system to implement with Heather. There's that Conrad Hotel charge.
http://dig.abclocal.go.com/wls/documents/mack-emails.pdf


"Your account was used to make a purchase, however the Card was not presented to complete the transaction. This is usually the case with purchases made online or over the phone. If you do not recognize this transaction, please call the number on the back of your Card."

Transaction Date: Wed, Jul 23, 2014
Purchase Amount:$409.86
Merchant Name: CONRAD CHICAGO
 
SouthAussie said:
I agree, ajaylee. I do not believe that Sheila added Heather as an authorised user of the credit card(s). I think Heather added herself. That is why Sheila forwarded the emails to Elliott - to show him.

The worrying thing here is that I believe the trial itself is now over. The next court appearance - 24th March reportedly - is for the prosecutor to submit sentencing recommendations. I only hope that the judges have all of the email info already, as I read that Elliott gave it to the FBI some time ago.

It must be very difficult for Elliott and William Wiese ... knowing all that they know, and also knowing/thinking that Sheila would still have helped Heather, no matter what. And trying to strike a balance between what Sheila would have wanted, and what Heather deserves.


The trials against Mack and Schaefer are to resume March 24, when prosecutors will submit their sentencing demands.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/chicago-teen-accused-killing-mom-bali-birth-article-1.2155056
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Wait, how can the trial be over? Really? How fast! Does the Prosecution present a case in court or just make sentencing recommendations? What about all the witnesses for the Prosecution? Praying these emails have been included and all the premeditation texts.

Sheila had unconditional love for Heather, and, yes, would have helped Heather no matter what. It makes what Heather and Tommy did to Sheila all the more despicable.

BBM
 
Curious Me said:
Wait, how can the trial be over? Really? How fast! Does the Prosecution present a case in court or just make sentencing recommendations? What about all the witnesses for the Prosecution? Praying these emails have been included and all the premeditation texts.

Sheila had unconditional love for Heather, and, yes, would have helped Heather no matter what. It makes what Heather and Tommy did to Sheila all the more despicable.

BBM
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I think the prosecution went first ... when the bellboy etc were witnesses, and the evidence/suitcases were presented .... we didn't hear a lot about it, and were wondering what was going on. Then Heather gave testimony. Then Tommy gave testimony. And now we are up to sentencing submissions.
 
Thanks FormerOakParker,
A piece of work indeed...

FormerOakParker said:
I didn't think about that. HM added herself to Sheila's account, not Sheila herself. Boy, she's some piece of work. Then Sheila added the fraud protection. That makes sense. Thank you for clarifying.
Then, days after HM adds herself, she goes off to have a big party on July 23, 2014. That's the date Sheila got the email that the card was not present, had suspicious activity and called police.
"Tommy Schaefer, 21, aka Tommy Exx, an aspiring rap musician, had been dating Heather Lois Mack since April. On July 23, 2014, he and Heather Mack hosted a party at swank Conrad Hotel in Chicago with a half dozen friends, using Sheila Weiss-Mack's credit card. " (http://www.cruisebruise.com/Cruise/...ruise_Line_Settlements_Leads_To_Murder_2.html)
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My bold..

I wonder when in April the dating began...

because....

South Aussies great pick up on the dates -

You know, Stella is not a premature baby at all. If Heather was 8 weeks pregnant at around 1st August, then Stella is a full-term baby.


However, von Wiese-Mack notified Jacobson in an email dated August 1, 2014, that Heather was already eight weeks pregnant.
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If correct - Stella was overdue - 9 months & 12 days (give or take a day) -

8 weeks prior to August the 1st 2014 - is the 6th of June 2014
http://www.timeanddate.com/date/durationresult.html?d1=06&m1=06&y1=2014&d2=17&m2=03&y2=2015&ti=on

From and including: Friday, 6 June 2014
To and including: Tuesday, 17 March 2015
Result: 285 days

It is 285 days from the start date to the end date, end date included
Or 9 months, 12 days including the end date
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I wonder if Tommy is doing his maths and working out when Stella was conceived.

I hope there is a DNA testing done.
 
Makes me wonder if Heather was slipping Sheila some drugs to cause Sheila to have blurry vision for months.
Drug Mom then steal her car while she's passed out? Heather sure kept Sheila in a constant stressful state one way or another. She complained of heart pains in one email.

http://dig.abclocal.go.com/wls/documents/mack-emails.pdf

Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2014 1:52:39 PM
Subject: Re:
Dear Elliott,
No, Heather refused to sign the power of attorney. The results should be back with the internist this afternoon about her blood work, including if she is really pregnant.
I have an appointment today in Skokie for an eye specialist. My vision has been blurry for a few months now and I am finally able to see the doctor, after having cancelled it twice in the past two months (once because Heather had stolen my car and I had no way to get there and another occassion when she was missing). Needless to say, I am hoping that my eye problems are not a serious condition.... I will let you know.
Thanks for the email and I will call you when I can.
Love,
Sheila
 
Wow. I can't believe what I'm reading here. I haven't had the chance to catch up on all the emails but I do believe that these emails were available to Judge Cohen when he made his decision. I am even more outraged that he did not look into anything with regards to bribery and corruption within the legal system in that country.

If HM gets off on all charges or is only charged with that 9 month "helping to move a body or something?" one, can she be tried in the US for the first degree premeditated murder that she actually perpetuated? Does anyone know? We still have no idea what evidence the FBI was able to procure from the Indonesian LE (especially those texts on their cell phones that they bought by scamming Sheila) or what evidence the Indonesian LE received from the FBI. As far as these emails go though, they will not be put into evidence in Bali it appears. The prosecution's case is done. They have presented all the evidence they were going to and it appears that these emails are not part of it. As well as the police reports from the US. I don't think they wanted any of that evidence. They don't seem to be interested in the history of the victim and her daughter. They just seem to be concentrating on the evidence of what happened in their country, and not necessarily via cell phone or email. Perhaps that's how they roll?

What emails are the reporters who are in contact with HM talking about? Sounds like they sent her emails between her and her mother but not emails between her mother and EJ? Amazing that she's got her cell phone with her in the hospital. Has she posted any pics of the baby to her instagram account yet? *insert massive eyeroll*

I'm just overwhelmed with sadness for Sheila and everything she went through with her daughter. And she made every effort to make sure that everything was well documented. What good did it do her though? Heather was still able to murder her, get access to her money to likely pay a bribe to get off on that murder and will also likely fight for every penny of the rest of it on behalf of the baby she had with her mother's other murderer. She'll probably succeed on that one too.

And lawyers and Judges in two countries are the ones who will make it all happen. That's disgusting.

MOO
 
Just heard this on a tv program - "You don't give children what they want, you give them what they need."
 
Curious Me said:
Just heard this on a tv program - "You don't give children what they want, you give them what they need."
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and to guide them to understand that their Wants are not necessarily Needs -- MOO & IME
 
As far as the drugs are concerned, it wouldn't surprise me if HM got Oxycodone from the clinic. It's used as a street drug that is similar to the effect of heroin. I believe she made some reference to "tweaking" to Vonmar when she contacted him from jail. So I guess she ran out by that time? Or she got rid of them before heading to the airport to leave the country.

If she had been a drug user and was stuck in Bali with no drugs because she knew about their strict drug policies, she may have either gotten the idea from someone she was in contact with or come up with it herself.

Or, as it has been suggested, perhaps they were to be used on Sheila to at least make her sleepy or groggy. Hard to say with this level of evil. But from what I've read, I thought HM and TS were exchanging texts in the early morning hours while they were each in their separate rooms likely waiting for Sheila to fall asleep? I thought the texts indicated they were discussing smothering her and then to make it look like a suicide on the beach. I guess they were thinking of throwing her in the water? So what happened? How did it get so violent and bloody? Why did HM tell TS to bring that fruit bowl? And did he bring the whole bowl or just the handle? I remember reading there was broken glass from a bowl found in the room? I'm starting to wonder about our original theory that TS was to bring a replacement bowl for the one that HM had already smashed. She sure seemed like the more violent one who would relish killing her mother but perhaps she needed to wait for TS to arrive in Bali to help her with the heavy lifting? If the plan was supposed to be a "soft kill" with suffocation, did Sheila herself manage to struggle to get away from someone trying to smother her and therefore blunt force was needed to finish the job?

:waitasec:

MOO
 
I thought tweaking referred to meth.

Meth is sometimes called Tina. Ecstasy is called Molly.
 
The news about the emails from Elliott Jacobson has had me thinking about this case all day... I think my head is spinning about what we suspected and now know.

I feel sad for Sheila - and for William Weisse who lost his sister - and for little Stella ...
I dont know Elliot Jacobson - but I just wanted again to say "Thank-you for being such a loyal friend to Sheila, then and now, and for putting your emails and yourself out there to be heard - very brave. It was necessary and it was the right thing to do. Lets hope the Courts deliver your friend Sheila, the justice she so deserves - and thank-you for giving Sheila a voice".
 
Kamille said:
Wow. I can't believe what I'm reading here. I haven't had the chance to catch up on all the emails but I do believe that these emails were available to Judge Cohen when he made his decision.
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I too am very behind in this thread by about three weeks, but may I ask what makes you think this? Was there some reference to them?
 
On the topic of giving children what they need. There's another case that I intend to follow when it goes to trial. The family estate was worth as much as $80 million. The son needed psychiatric help, he had tried to commit suicide and had changed at one point, but got a condo bought for him and they moved him to another state instead.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...ice-Investigate-Double-Homicide-boy-8-injured

Why Ashton Sachs Says He Shot His Family
http://www.orangecoast.com/features/ashton-sachs-says-shot-family/#sthash.BNs5h3Mj.dpuf

http://www.people.com/people/articl...+people/headlines+(PEOPLE.com:+Top+Headlines)
 
Kamille said:
As far as the drugs are concerned, it wouldn't surprise me if HM got Oxycodone from the clinic. It's used as a street drug that is similar to the effect of heroin. I believe she made some reference to "tweaking" to Vonmar when she contacted him from jail. So I guess she ran out by that time? Or she got rid of them before heading to the airport to leave the country.

If she had been a drug user and was stuck in Bali with no drugs because she knew about their strict drug policies, she may have either gotten the idea from someone she was in contact with or come up with it herself.

Or, as it has been suggested, perhaps they were to be used on Sheila to at least make her sleepy or groggy. Hard to say with this level of evil. But from what I've read, I thought HM and TS were exchanging texts in the early morning hours while they were each in their separate rooms likely waiting for Sheila to fall asleep? I thought the texts indicated they were discussing smothering her and then to make it look like a suicide on the beach. I guess they were thinking of throwing her in the water? So what happened? How did it get so violent and bloody? Why did HM tell TS to bring that fruit bowl? And did he bring the whole bowl or just the handle? I remember reading there was broken glass from a bowl found in the room? I'm starting to wonder about our original theory that TS was to bring a replacement bowl for the one that HM had already smashed. She sure seemed like the more violent one who would relish killing her mother but perhaps she needed to wait for TS to arrive in Bali to help her with the heavy lifting? If the plan was supposed to be a "soft kill" with suffocation, did Sheila herself manage to struggle to get away from someone trying to smother her and therefore blunt force was needed to finish the job?

:waitasec:

MOO
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Kamille, I agree that whatever was presented in Court - the numerous stories - that none of them are true.
What really happened to Sheila hasn't come out - but with all the sleuthing and the new information, it doesn't surprise me that what we all can summarize here is closer to the actuality, than what we are meant to believe from their statements and their representation.

If HM gets off there is nothing to stop the US re-arresting her in Bali and extraditing her to the US.
They will be keeping an eye on HM - and HM wont know who her friends really are now, or have been, during the course of her incarceration.
That makes me feel a little bit better.



http://www.people.com/article/bali-suitcase-murder-heather-mack-tommy-schaefer-breaks-down-court
The indictment also alleges that Mack asked her boyfriend to locate a hitman to kill her mother, who reportedly didn't approve of her daughter's relationship with the aspiring rapper.
In an earlier testimony, prosecutors revealed that shortly before Weise-Mack's murder, Heather and Schaefer discussed killing the 62-year-old Chicago resident in texts to one another.


"In the text messages between them," prosecutor Eddy Artha Wijaya said in last week's indictment, "Heather Lois Mack and Tommy Schaefer agreed to take the life of Sheila Ann von Weise-Mack by smothering her face with a pillow and making it look like a suicide attempt."


In Wednesday's session, Schaefer's attorney argued that the judges shouldn't put any credibility in text messages allegedly sent between the two because they "are prone to manipulation, given sophisticated information technology," according to the Indonesian newspaper.
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http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/...efendant-sobs-trial.html#sthash.VLLlFyzV.dpuf
Von Weise-Mack could not find her daughter and a member of the hotel staff witnessed her crying in the lobby when she realized her daughter was not in their room.


When Mack returned, the mother and daughter argued when Von Weise-Mack found out Schaefer was in Bali.


The young couple apparently continued to communicate by text message planning the murder. “In the text messages between them, Heather Lois Mack and Tommy Schaefer agreed to take the life of Sheila Ann von Weise-Mack by smothering her face with a pillow and making it look like a suicide attempt on the beach,” Eddy said. –
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http://www.news.com.au/world/bali-s...-for-killing-her/story-fndir2ev-1227192563907
The presiding judge has given the prosecution a week to amend the document.
It’s alleged Mack had asked her lover to find hitmen to kill her mother for $US50,000.
The couple also allegedly discussed other ways of ending her mother’s life — including smothering her with a pillow or making her death look like a suicide on the beach.
On the day of her death, Mrs Mack and her daughter were seen having a blazing row in the hotel foyer.

An autopsy showed Mrs Mack had defensive wounds and had fought hard for her life.
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This also makes me think that the text messages that were exchanged in Bali between HM & TS plotting to kill Sheila - were submitted in Court as evidence and that both defence lawyers tried to have them dismissed, and used the manipulation angle so as they could not not be submitted as evidence. But the court did hear about them and the Judges are aware of them.

If that is the case then, why cant the email messages sent from the deceased which were written by Sheila in Bali, be used by the Prosecution to prove that SvWM was frightened for her life and that her daughter was violent and threatening to the point where she feared for her life - and that the murder of SvWM was premeditated by HM and was carried out by HM & TS.
And they can add a Fraud charge to HM as well for the drugs while they're at it.
 
Curious Me said:
On the topic of giving children what they need. There's another case that I intend to follow when it goes to trial. The family estate was worth as much as $80 million. The son needed psychiatric help, he had tried to commit suicide and had changed at one point, but got a condo bought for him and they moved him to another state instead.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...ice-Investigate-Double-Homicide-boy-8-injured

Why Ashton Sachs Says He Shot His Family
http://www.orangecoast.com/features/ashton-sachs-says-shot-family/#sthash.BNs5h3Mj.dpuf

http://www.people.com/people/articl...+people/headlines+(PEOPLE.com:+Top+Headlines)
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fascinating! and having given your links a fast read there's commonality here with HM

loosely quoting ''typical narcissistic over privileged kid with entitlement issues''
 
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