GUILTY Bali - Sheila von Wiese Mack, 62, found dead in suitcase, 12 Aug 2014 #5

[ajaylee]

I doubt we'll ever know the truth about the escapes. I've seen one report that says the passports of all four men are mysteriously missing. The prison is supposed to have them, but it doesn't. I wonder where they went...

Shaun Davidson was already had someone else's passport when they caught him. He seems to have the connections, and I don't suppose exit controls are as strict as entry controls. I wonder what the others are using for passports - perhaps they bought them back from the prison?

TS's passport might have street value because it's American and still valid for seven more years.

 

[Kamille]

I doubt we'll ever know the truth about the escapes. I've seen one report that says the passports of all four men are mysteriously missing. The prison is supposed to have them, but it doesn't. I wonder where they went...

Shaun Davidson was already had someone else's passport when they caught him. He seems to have the connections, and I don't suppose exit controls are as strict as entry controls. I wonder what the others are using for passports - perhaps they bought them back from the prison?

TS's passport might have street value because it's American and still valid for seven more years.

BBM

I doubt very much that they all crawled out of that tunnel although it was staged to appear that they did by throwing a few things down there. They probably paid some prison employees to walk right out. The two escapees that were caught had about $7000 US on them and were staying in a luxury hotel. Those guys had the money to bribe their way out of there IMO. And the head of the prison has been coming up with all kinds of excuses for everything to try to explain how 4 grown men could escape via a small and flooded tunnel and not one of the 10 guards on duty noticed a thing. The corruption over there for the almighty dollar is insane.

MOO

 

[ajaylee]

Thank you!

I thought I was the only one who didn't believe that escape tunnel business for one second.

I, too, believe they walked out. Furthermore, I don't know who had access to their passports, but they are missing. Ordinarily, I would think passports would be in a safe or somehow secured, not left lying around where anyone could take them, because they do have value on the black market. I wouldn't think that any old jail guard could pick them up, but I could be wrong.

 

[Weezer Fan]

BBM

I doubt very much that they all crawled out of that tunnel although it was staged to appear that they did by throwing a few things down there. They probably paid some prison employees to walk right out. The two escapees that were caught had about $7000 US on them and were staying in a luxury hotel. Those guys had the money to bribe their way out of there IMO. And the head of the prison has been coming up with all kinds of excuses for everything to try to explain how 4 grown men could escape via a small and flooded tunnel and not one of the 10 guards on duty noticed a thing. The corruption over there for the almighty dollar is insane.

MOO

I hadn't thought of that. (I haven't given this case that much thought anyway, LOL). Davidson Looks too big to fit through that hole. And it seems he's has money. I bet you're right. That's probably why they are making up hard to obelieve stories, because they don't want to expose their own corruption.


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[Weezer Fan]

I think HM thinks staying on in Indonesia after she is released is an option. I don't think it is. I think she will be extradited like Schappelle Corby: they won't just tell her it's time to go, they will escort her to the airport and make sure she leaves.

One wild card: it is possible that HM could apply for a renewable resident visa of some sort if she has an Indonesian sponsor (Oshar) or if she's married to an Indonesian.

I don't know if marrying an Indonesian would protect her from being extradited when she gets out. It might offer an opportunity for lengthy slow court battles - except HM really doesn't have the $ to fight those battles and it doesn't appear she's going to be getting it any time soon.

If an Indonesian woman came to the US and murdered her Indonesian mother, I don't think a quickie marriage to a US citizen could prevent her from being deported. I can't be certain it works that way in Indonesia.

I just don't know anymore. All the rules seem to be broken for HM all the time. Her child is allowed to stay in Indonesia even though she is American and had a relative that wanted her. We don't know about what WW did to try to remove Stella. The authorities in Indo turned their heads so they could all make a few bucks off HM.

If HM (or by default Stella) have any money left, I bet they let her stay. If the money is all gone, she'll be escorted to the airport. I have no idea what will happen to Stella in that case. She'll be 9 years old then.


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[ajaylee]

HM is undeniably clever and lucky at landing on her feet. She doesn't really know much about international travel. If she did, she would have known that you don't just show up at the airport without a passport and expect to get on the plane. There is no country in the world where it works that way.

Similarly, when she spouted off about staying in Indonesia permanently, she had no idea what is involved. Taking up permanent residency in a foreign country isn't quite that simple - even if you are rich.

I think when her sentence is over, if she hasn't found a clever way to stay in Indonesia, she'll leave Stella behind. She'll want to come to the US first to see if she's going to be arrested as soon as she lands. If so, she'll want Stella in Indonesia where she can continue to try to use her for a bargaining chip.

I know it seems horrific that Stella is in this position and no one can do anything about it, but it is not unusual. I have read accounts of women who married Mexican or Middle Eastern women, had children, had a fight, and dad took the kids to his home country. Mom can't get the kids back. There was even a movie made about one of these situations: the entire family went to Iraq. She thought it was to visit the husband's family, but when they were there, he told her he wasn't going back - and neither was their daughter. Legally, she was on her own and the US couldn't do anything. (She and her daughter were finally smuggled out of the country).

If you are in someone else's country. their laws apply. In Indonesian law, the father has less rights than the mother, and virtually no rights if they aren't married. As one US judge told KW, if she issued an order and sent it to Indonesia, then what? They're not going to enforce it. Just like when Judge Cohen said the Indonesian court should postpone the trial until he got things cleared up about HM's inheritance - what a dreamer! He wouldn't have suspended an American trial because an Indonesian judge told him to.

 

[Kamille]

If KW or WW had hired an Indonesian attorney to represent Stella with the stipulation that payment would be rendered when they arranged to have Stella returned to her family in the US, it probably would have happened.

HM hired an Indonesian attorney, via OS, to keep her there. If you want to play by their rules, be prepared to pay the right people and you can get anything you want over there.

MOO

 

[Kamille]

Looks like they're finally admitting that the "tunnel" has been there a long time and EUREKA!, that's how all those drugs have been getting into the prison! Drug dealers have been going in an out of the prison via the tunnel, in broad daylight, right under the noses of the guards in the tower right above the exit point of the "tunnel". The lengths these prison guards and officials will go to, to try to explain the absolute insanity that goes on in that prison is absurd. Aparently, the option that the guards and/or officials are making lots of money by either turning a blind eye, or outright helping the prisoners come and go in the prison is never being considered. Did no one see HM's photos, blatantly posted on IG and FB of her out of the prison for lunch and shopping on a couple of occasions? And that's not counting the times she was out on hospital visits, with little supervision, for herself and Stella. I highly doubt she is the only one who can bribe her way out for a lunch date.

A TUNNEL used by four Bali jail inmates to escape is also believed to have long been used for prisoners to come and go from the jail to conduct drug transactions.

It is now believed the tunnel, in which a person can stand up, has been in existence for a long time at Bali’s Kerobokan jail and was not dug by the four escapees.

Revelations of the tunnel’s use by drug dealers and to feed the jail’s infamous drug trade came after an inspection of the jail on Friday by members of parliament.

The politicians also questioned how the tunnel could have been built and used without the knowledge of guards.

[...]

Eight members of the Indonesian Parliament’s Law and Human Rights Commission visited Kerobokan jail on Friday to conduct an inspection.

They emerged, questioning how the tunnel could have been undetected for so long and ordered police to investigate the drug problem inside the jail.

[...]

Mr Harman said if guards had been doing patrols once a week, “they must have found it”.

“I think its negligence for sure, maybe there is a deliberate action. Maybe it needs to be investigated, whether there is an deliberate action to build a hole.

“I feel concerned about it. especially for Bali. Bali is the window of Indonesia in the world. if foreigners hear about Indonesia, they remember Bali. If Bali looks bad, so Indonesia will look bad.”

He also said they had met with Bali police, the drug squad, the jail and justice ministry officials.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...s/news-story/30eda48f1aa86ed69c7450104e363052

So do we think anything is actually going to change in the prison now that "government officials" are involved in the embarassment? Will HM have trouble finding her alleged drug of choice? TS?

MOO

 

[ajaylee]

I read somewhere that they chained a piece of board over the opening of the hole.

Kamille, I am not a betting person generally, but I bet $5 that if you and I went to Kerobokan a year from now, that tunnel will still be in use.

 

[Kamille]

I read somewhere that they chained a piece of board over the opening of the hole.

Kamille, I am not a betting person generally, but I bet $5 that if you and I went to Kerobokan a year from now, that tunnel will still be in use.

According to the picture supplied to that media outlet, the tunnel was supposedly cemented over. I have no doubt that the drugs will still find their way inside the prison though.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...s/news-story/30eda48f1aa86ed69c7450104e363052

 

[ajaylee]

I couldn't link to the article for some reason - my browser just keeps getting hung.

As someone who has watched and played just a bit with cement, that picture made me laugh out loud. Aside from the fact that we don't know what that cement actually consists of, we don't know how thick it is. I suspect it was heavily diluted and really just painted on. Very easy to bust out, but that's the intent.

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[Kamille]

No way they're going to remove that cement ajaylee, Inspector Golose is on the case and he's going to figure this all out, including a reconstruction. Oh wait, won't they have to remove the cement FOR a reconstruction? :waitasec:

My personal opinion is that tunnel may have been used in the past or may have been dug deliberately to be used as a decoy and it's more likely that the inside dealers are either being let out of the prison to stock up on their supplies during the day, or the guards are bringing it in. IMO, no one has been crawling through that tunnel for any reason although it served it's purpose for the guards to use as an excuse for just such an occasion as this. Now if the drugs continue to flow in Kerobokan, then what's the excuse going to be? Even in North American prisons it's likely the guards who are bringing the stuff in and making money from it.

It's also interesting that he told a group of parliamentarians that one way to stop crime in Bali (Kerobokan) is to ship the guilty parties to Nusa Kumbangan prison...or Execution Island. I believe that's where Andrew and Myu were sent. I thought that was always the threat and the reason why they have few problems in Kerobokan most of the time. One way to keep prisoners in line in a lax prison is to threaten to send them to a real one.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-07-07/kerobokan-jail-search-for-missing-prisoners-continues/8688898

MOO

 

[Kamille]

Bali police say they know where Kerobokan jail escapee Shaun Edward Davidson is hiding out

BALI jail escapee Shaun Edward Davidson, who is taunting police with Facebook posts claiming to be traversing the world since his escape last month from Kerobokan prison, could soon find himself back behind bars.

Bali’s Police Chief, Petrus Reinhard Golose, revealed today that authorities know where the Australian and a fellow escapee from Malaysia are hiding and that they have a new suspect in the brazen escape.

Mr Golose said police have detected where Davidson and Malaysian drug trafficker Tee Kok King are but refused to explain further.

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“We have interrogated some people and will do a re-enactment in the near future, how they escaped. We have also interrogated some prison guards, the travel agent, the perpetrator who helped them. We have interrogated more than 20 witnesses,” Mr Golose said.

“Yes there is a new suspect. Later, I will explain about it after we conduct the re-enactment,” he said.

[...]

Members of the Indonesian Parliament’s Law and Human Rights Commission visited Kerobokan Jail on Friday, saying there was “weak supervision” and “negligence” at the prison allowing a tunnel, running from inside to outside, to exist for so long.

In scathing comments they called on the Bali police to investigate drug deals inside the jail.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...t/news-story/d607b335a2cdfe398c1f12e3b3a243c6

Maybe something really will be done about the drug trade in the prison? Can you imagine how things might go in there if the people who are using daily all have to detox at the same time because the prison officials decide the embarrassment and attention is enough to suddenly make the entire prison drug free? Can you imagine those who have to deal with HM? :scared:

MOO

 

[Kamille]

Kerobokan prison escapees still on run as Indonesian officials tackle overcrowding concerns

A group of politicians in Jakarta has demanded a number of prisoners, including foreigners, be moved from Bali's infamous Kerobokan prison to address overcrowding as police continue a hunt for two men who escaped in June.

Members of a parliamentary law committee have toured the jail, declaring that prison officials must have been involved in the escape plot.

[...]

The committee members have demanded that a number of prisoners be transferred to other facilities across Indonesia, and expressed shock that there were about 1,300 male inmates in Kerobokan, a facility that was built to hold 300.

"We asked the Government, especially the Justice Minister, so that the prisoners can be transferred to other prisons in Indonesia," Mr Harman said.

"It can be Nusakambangan for people who do certain crime, and the others can be transferred too, moved into another prison that is not full."

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-07-...n-escapees-amid-overcrowding-concerns/8695538

TS should be concerned. Especially if he's not well liked by the prison officials.

MOO

 

[ajaylee]

This bit in the above link caught my eye:

He [Inspector General Golose] said a reconstruction of the escape would be held soon and a new suspect in the case would then be named.

Sounds like maybe they've decided on a scapegoat. Since all four were foreigners, I might be nervous in TS's shoes. Not a time to act up and attract negative attention from the guards if they are looking for a fake 'master mind' to take the fall.

 

[Kamille]

This bit in the above link caught my eye:



Sounds like maybe they've decided on a scapegoat. Since all four were foreigners, I might be nervous in TS's shoes. Not a time to act up and attract negative attention from the guards if they are looking for a fake 'master mind' to take the fall.

They appear to have an ex prisoner who is awaiting charges for aiding the two who were recaptured. The whole story about how they supposedly spent 4 hours bailing out that tunnel in a driving rain storm and then crawling to freedom, even bringing extra "clean clothes" through the tunnel to change into sounds ludicrous to me.

Ruddi Setiawan, the deputy director of special crime at Bali police, said ahead of the dramatic reconstruction that an Indonesian ex-prisoner, who bought the flight tickets for the inmates and helped them check-in at the airport would be part of the scenes.

He now faces charges of assisting the jail break.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...l/news-story/22de5b769ed60144c1a0f69125be827a

 

[Kamille]

Kerobokan Prison raided: Phones, blades and marijuana uncovered

Phones, blades, and marijuana were among the contraband that turned up during a raid on Bali’s notorious Kerobokan Prison last night.

A joint team of 625 personnel from Bali Police and the National Narcotics Agency (BNN) stormed the place, sweeping 14 blocks, targeting mobile devices especially. The raid started around 7:15pm and was finished by 9pm, said Deputy Chief of Police Brig. Alit Widana.

[...]

Kerobokan Prison, located in a densely populated area, close to some of the island’s most famous tourist spots, is infamous for being a hub in Bali’s drug trade.

“Our main goal was to actually find their communication tools. So that those in the prison cannot communicate with their outside network.”

https://coconuts.co/bali/news/kerobokan-prison-raided-phones-blades-marijuana-uncovered/

Hmmm.....I wonder if they raided the women's section? Saw some pics on one of the female prisoner's facebook a couple of weeks ago with a guard actually in the photo. The pics were all posed for the end of Ramadan party and feast so they can't say they didn't know that prisoners were taking pics with their contraband phones. SMH

 

[ajaylee]

Hmmm. Kerobokan is supposed to be a hellhole where drugs and phones are widely available.

1300 prisoners and all they found was:

Two stashes of marijuana, a package of suspected methamphetamine, four bongs, three ecstasy pills, 24 phones, and 16 sharp weapons, including eight knives were found

Unless those were really large stashes of weed and meth, that's not much for 1300 prisoners. It sounds to me like the raiders didn't look too hard - and perhaps the prisoners had advance warning.

 

[Weezer Fan]

https://w3.courtlink.lexisnexis.com...v=&caseno=&PLtype=1&sname=mack+heather&CDate=

Bump. Would be nice to have an update Friday.


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[Kamille]

https://w3.courtlink.lexisnexis.com...v=&caseno=&PLtype=1&sname=mack+heather&CDate=

Bump. Would be nice to have an update Friday.


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Yes...this is supposed to be the day that HM either complies, takes part in the hearing and answers the questions or the ruling is done without her co-operation isn't it?