Long post.. all jmo
I previously suggested in this thread that she may have accidentally shot him while removing his gun - perhaps because it was in the way while she was (perhaps) “giving him a massage” while he was sitting/reclining on the dock and she was laying in his lap facing downward. I also speculated that both individuals were possibly very intoxicated.
While I still believe that alcohol (and possibly drugs) played a major role in what happened, I now think I jumped to conclusions. I think I was wrong about what might have happened, and wish that I could remove my earlier post.
Being familiar with semi automatic handguns, and hearing her detailed explanation of events, I now find her account to be credible and believe that she may in fact have been massaging his shoulder with her left hand while (foolishly for an inexperienced and inebriated operator) attempting to release an empty magazine from the grip of the Glock handgun in her right hand (specifically using her right thumb).
I think that while attempting to pull/slide the magazine release button (located on the upper left side of the grip, behind the trigger guard) back toward her with her right thumb, she may have inadvertently squeezed her entire right hand.
If she had her finger inside the trigger guard and on the trigger (which is a big no no - but something that is easy and almost natural for a novice to do) while doing so she could have accidentally pulled the trigger (even if the gun had Glock’s trigger safety feature). If there was a bullet in the chamber, the weapon would have discharged.
With semi automatic handguns, removing the magazine does not guarantee that the gun is unloaded. There can still be a round/cartridge/bullet (all the same) in the chamber (which is located above the spring loaded magazine below).
Each time a semi auto is fired, a bullet travels down the barrel and a “slide” on top of the gun automatically “racks” back and forth. This racking back and forth of the slide accomplishes two things: it ejects the previous round’s metal casing, and it allows a new/next bullet to be pushed up into the chamber from the spring loaded magazine below. So the chamber is automatically re-loaded each time the weapon is fired - as long as there are still bullets in the magazine being pushed up from below. But removing the magazine (full or empty) will not remove any last round that may have been pushed up into the chamber via the auto loading mechanism.
An untrained operator may not have ever learned this. A drunk operator who may have once learned it could easily forget it. Not remembering that there could be a round in the chamber is the cause of many accidents with semi-auto handguns.
If she was “practicing” unloading the gun by:
-releasing the loaded magazine from the grip
- manually removing all the bullets/cartridges from the magazine and placing them on the dock
- re-inserting the now-empty magazine back into the grip of the gun (thinking that she had successfully unloaded the gun)
she could still have been holding a loaded gun (again, if there was a round in the chamber).
Squeezing her right hand in a subsequent (or next) practice attempt to pull/slide the mag release button back toward her in order to release the empty magazine (while also carelessly having her finger inside the trigger guard) could have easily resulted in an accidental discharge. Not only would she have thought the gun was unloaded, but she would have thought she was only trying to release an already-unloaded magazine.
To me the fact that there were numerous un-fired cartridges lying on the dock - along with one ejected metal casing, confirms her story.
Semi auto manufacturers have often placed the mag release button, the safety lever, and the slide-open lock all on the upper left side of the gun (for right handlers) so that all operations (except a manual rack to load the chamber, or a manual rack to clear the chamber) could be done with one (the right) hand. But it takes coordination, dexterity, and practice - like typing text on a small phone with your thumb while holding the phone with just one (the same) hand.
As I mentioned at the beginning, I think it’s highly likely that alcohol and/or drugs played a major role in this tragedy. Guns and alcohol don’t mix. And never point a gun at anything (in any direction) you don’t intend to shoot. The firearm shouldn’t have been there, and an inebriated and untrained person shouldn’t have been practicing with the firearm. I think this was a tragic accident.
All jmo
Excellent post, spot on with the details, I was a gun club member for many years and although I mostly used rifles, the same applies with respect to the bullet in the chamber - so many safety routines all concentrated on checking the chamber thoroughly even when a magazine was removed as it is one of the most common safety mistakes with weapons. Nobody trusts a weapon unless they check the chamber for themselves, even if an experienced gun handler has handed you a gun and told you the chamber is empty, they will expect you to check again yourself.
The claim of an accidental discharge is the bit that is really open to interpretation, no witnesses to dispute any such claims but how accidental is really the question given that a quality gun like a Glock 17 doesn't just randomly fire. Although it lacks a manual safety catch, the trigger does have an integrated safety mechanism that means a deliberate trigger pull is needed to fire it - ie it can't fire from being dropped / knocked etc.
So I agree that it is plausible that it accidently went off when trying to remove the empty magazine for Henry to refill, but the fact is that the gun was pointing at his head and there was a finger on the trigger that pulled the trigger.
Number 1 rule for handling a gun is to always assume it is loaded and point it away from yourself and other people at all times (unless intending to fire it at a target). I would have also thought Henry would have told her the same if he was coaching her on weapons usage. I'm fairly sure that even if he was intoxicated we would have instinctively told her to point it away from him as she attempted to remove the magazine - after all she had done it several times in his presence and shortly before the shooting.
There is a photo in the media showing Jasmine holding a large automatic weapon after target practice, she must have been familiar with basic safety rules of where to point a gun. She is even shown using some finger discipline in the photo so has at some point been told where to put her trigger finger when not ready to fire - although not in the correct position in the photo - should really be well above trigger on the stock of the gun - it does show she knows about an outstretched finger position.
Also the proper process for unloading a weapon is to empty the chamber after removing the magazine, given the magazine had previously been removed and the bullets from it emptied, the chamber check / unload should have been done anyway as part of that process.
Very dangerous gun discipline especially given that somebody was supposed to be teaching somebody about how to use a weapon - all of the above safety rules come well before learning to load / unload a magazine.
So I try to image myself sat behind somebody, so close they fall "back on to me" after being shot, then image how I must be positioned to have the gun in my right hand pointing just behind their right ear while I'm "struggling" to remove a magazine - I just couldn't do it - that gun should have been pointing at the sea.
If I was to believe that Jasmine didn't intend to shoot Henry, and that it was accidental trigger pull when trying to remove the magazine - then did she pull the trigger thinking it might release what was jamming the magazine? Was she foolishly playing with the gun pretending to shoot him and expecting the chamber to be empty? Maybe she picked the gun up, pointed it, pulled the trigger deliberately but expected it just to "click"?
I can't imagine Henry asking an inexperienced person to remove the magazine from a loaded gun whilst she sat directly behind him with no free space to point the weapon - just so unsafe - so I don't believe that story.
Whilst never wanting to blame a victim, the owner of the gun is always responsible for the safety of that weapon especially when handing it to an untrained person - and I think this is what this case boils down to, who was neglectful of gun safety at the time - Jasmine, Henry or both of them?