Bob Saget dead at 65 -- hours after performing live

[LietKynes]

'There Is NO WAY This Could Have Occurred With One Fall’: Famed Pathologist Dr. Cyril Wecht Calls For Second Autopsy On Comedian Bob Saget

Joining the chorus is neurosurgeon Dr. Sanjay Gupta, CNN's chief medical correspondent, who said on an episode of New Day: “I think what it reveals more than anything else is this was not a simple bump on the head.”

“The fracture in the front of his eye sockets and contusions these are things that cannot be attributed to injuries away from the point of impact.”

Agreed.
Also think that this wasn't an accident in his room by actions of his own.
The hotel he was staying at has an image to protect, and imo they may have edited or deleted footage so as not to show if anyone else was in his room from the time he checked in.
LE are not privy to everything all the time.
That's not to say I think that's acceptable.
Anytime there's a death, I do think LE need to be able to view anything they need .
Eta : There's also the fact that in light of the families' legal action that they have instructed LE that it doesn't matter if anyone was in the room before or after his death --they (LE) are not to pursue this any further.
And LE are just respecting the families' wishes ?
Imo.

 

[Gardenista]

Bob Saget's Fatal Injury May Be Headboard-Related, Cops Certain No Foul Play

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

Bob Saget's family files lawsuit to block release of death investigation records (nbcnews.com)

Saget's widow and three daughters said the family will “suffer irreparable harm in the form of extreme mental pain, anguish, and emotional distress” if some records are released publicly.

 

[LietKynes]

Bob Saget's Fatal Injury May Be Headboard-Related, Cops Certain No Foul Play

Thanks for the link.
Interesting.... yes, an overused word --- but better than saying 'nonsense'.
So, he may have just been laying down on his bed and bumped the back of his head and caused a severe skull fracture ?
But there's the fractures to his eye sockets that are mysterious.
He wouldn't have broken both eye sockets by turning and banging his face on the headboard ?

A rebounding brain is like tofu according to our professional ICU nurse upthread ; it's a soft consistency and cannot cause broken bones.
Did not happen.
This mystery isn't going away anytime soon, that's certain !
Imo.

Edited for clarity.

 

[happyday]

Thanks for the link.
Interesting.... yes, an overused word --- but better than saying 'nonsense'.
So, he may have just been laying down on his bed and bumped the back of his head and caused a severe skull fracture ?
But there's the fractures to his eye sockets that are mysterious.
He wouldn't have broken both eye sockets by turning and banging his face on the headboard ?

A rebounding brain is like tofu according to our professional ICU nurse upthread ; poster and a soft consistency and cannot cause broken bones.
Did not happen.
This mystery isn't going away anytime soon, that's certain !
Imo.

No medical expert here, but couldn’t the broken bones around the eyes have been caused by the force of the back of the head being hit so hard? Force going through the skull and not the actual brain breaking the bones? I feel like that’s the explanation from some doctors when this came out? I could be wrong, but I remember hearing that.

eta. It seems to me that would have to be a heck of a lot of force!

 

[LietKynes]

No medical expert here, but couldn’t the broken bones around the eyes have been caused by the force of the back of the head being hit so hard? Force going through the skull and not the actual brain breaking the bones? I feel like that’s the explanation from some doctors when this came out? I could be wrong, but I remember hearing that.

eta. It seems to me that would have to be a heck of a lot of force!

Bbm.
Yes, that sounds plausible !
I need to go back and reread.

 

[Seattle1]

Bob Saget's Fatal Injury May Be Headboard-Related, Cops Certain No Foul Play

Feb 16, 2022
[..]

Our sources say the authorities say it's most likely Bob struck a portion of the bed's headboard that is not padded. We're told it's wood, and the best guess is he hit his head. Since he was under the covers, they believe he quickly lost consciousness. What's interesting ... although authorities on the scene felt the headboard scenario was the most likely, the Medical Examiner never mentioned it.

Rather, the M.E. theorizes it was an "unwitnessed fall backwards."

We're told the authorities who discovered Bob's body did not see a bruise on his head. We're told the bruise was only discovered during the autopsy.

Saget's family has filed a lawsuit in Orange County, Florida to block the release of photos from the hotel room -- because under Florida law police could go public with the images.

 

[happyday]

Bob Saget's Fatal Injury May Be Headboard-Related, Cops Certain No Foul Play

Feb 16, 2022
[..]

Our sources say the authorities say it's most likely Bob struck a portion of the bed's headboard that is not padded. We're told it's wood, and the best guess is he hit his head. Since he was under the covers, they believe he quickly lost consciousness. What's interesting ... although authorities on the scene felt the headboard scenario was the most likely, the Medical Examiner never mentioned it.

Rather, the M.E. theorizes it was an "unwitnessed fall backwards."

We're told the authorities who discovered Bob's body did not see a bruise on his head. We're told the bruise was only discovered during the autopsy.

Saget's family has filed a lawsuit in Orange County, Florida to block the release of photos from the hotel room -- because under Florida law police could go public with the images.

Ok I thought he was tucked in! Someone had said he wasn’t…
Not feeling the headboard scenario.

 

[LietKynes]

Also I think families would and do suppress murder investigations due to life insurance policies and if the murder involves something nefarious, like prostitutes or drug use. It’s really naive to think that a family of a very famous celebrity wouldn’t want that stuff to get out.

bbm
Snipped for focus.
I've never considered the angle of a murder investigation affecting a life ins. policy ??
Several years ago a man (a friend's neighbor) sadly committed suicide at his home; and his wife and children were unable to receive his life ins. policy due to a fine print clause that stated the ins. company would not pay out if it was a suicide.
So it happens.
Murder shouldn't affect an ins. policy as long as the beneficiaries weren't involved ?

As far as Saget's personal life -- I think people are more understanding these days and as long as nothing nefarious was involved ... there's nothing that his family needs to conceal.
Imo.

 

[LietKynes]

Ok I thought he was tucked in! Someone had said he wasn’t…
Not feeling the headboard scenario.

From the links upthread .... he was fully clothed (street clothes, not pj's) and laying on top of the comforter with one arm across his waist and the other at his side, with his legs together and not in a position that showed an accident ?
Imo.
Eta : So, if a D.C. incident happened ... someone tidied up the scene.

 

[LietKynes]

Bob Saget's Fatal Injury May Be Headboard-Related, Cops Certain No Foul Play

Feb 16, 2022
[..]

Our sources say the authorities say it's most likely Bob struck a portion of the bed's headboard that is not padded. We're told it's wood, and the best guess is he hit his head. Since he was under the covers, they believe he quickly lost consciousness. What's interesting ... although authorities on the scene felt the headboard scenario was the most likely, the Medical Examiner never mentioned it.

Rather, the M.E. theorizes it was an "unwitnessed fall backwards."

We're told the authorities who discovered Bob's body did not see a bruise on his head. We're told the bruise was only discovered during the autopsy.

Saget's family has filed a lawsuit in Orange County, Florida to block the release of photos from the hotel room -- because under Florida law police could go public with the images.

Thanks, @Seattle1 !
I have read both, on top of and under the covers ?
Sloppy reporting ?

Although if under the covers, was he still in street clothes ?
I'm wondering this as it seems unlikely that he went to bed of his own accord, if his injuries were that severe ?
Imo.

 

[IceIce9]

My thoughts haven’t changed. I still think the family was trying to get out in front of the story by releasing the autopsy results.

I think something was involved that the family feels might affect his reputation. There are any number of activities that could fall under this category. Not illegal but just things that the family doesn’t want to be known publicly.

Because the “facts” as released just don’t add up.

MOO and JMO

 

[Sillybilly]

Hey everyone,

A couple of posts have been removed. Please don't speculate on things that could be embarrassing to the family when there is nothing in MSM to warrant such specific speculation.

Thanks.

 

[MimosaMornings]

Sheriff's Office Responds to Lawsuit Filed by Bob Saget's Family to Block Release of Death Records — People

 

[IceIce9]

Sheriff's Office Responds to Lawsuit Filed by Bob Saget's Family to Block Release of Death Records — People

From the article



In a statement shared with PEOPLE in response to the lawsuit, the Sheriff's Office said, "While we are sensitive to the family's concerns about the right to privacy, that must be balanced with our commitment to transparency, compliance with the law, and the public's right to know."

 

[LietKynes]

From the article



In a statement shared with PEOPLE in response to the lawsuit, the Sheriff's Office said, "While we are sensitive to the family's concerns about the right to privacy, that must be balanced with our commitment to transparency, compliance with the law, and the public's right to know."

bbm
He has some good points.
LE's job is to be sure there was no harm done, aka foul play.

I think in the death of Heath Ledger LE released within a few hours the name of the housekeeper and the lady who'd had an appointment for the back/neck massage -- and LE were also quick to state the employees were cleared ?
So LE made public who was at his apt., and that there was no foul play.

Details into the death of Heath Ledger

Masseuse made 4 calls to Olsen twin after finding Heath Ledger's lifeless body - The New York Times

Imo.

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

Bob Saget's Fatal Injury May Be Headboard-Related, Cops Certain No Foul Play

Feb 16, 2022
[..]

Our sources say the authorities say it's most likely Bob struck a portion of the bed's headboard that is not padded. We're told it's wood, and the best guess is he hit his head. Since he was under the covers, they believe he quickly lost consciousness. What's interesting ... although authorities on the scene felt the headboard scenario was the most likely, the Medical Examiner never mentioned it.

Rather, the M.E. theorizes it was an "unwitnessed fall backwards."

We're told the authorities who discovered Bob's body did not see a bruise on his head. We're told the bruise was only discovered during the autopsy.

Saget's family has filed a lawsuit in Orange County, Florida to block the release of photos from the hotel room -- because under Florida law police could go public with the images.

I'd trust the ME over "authorities" if the authorities means law enforcement. While law enforcement may have speculated based on how his body was found, hard to see a hit against the headboard being severe enough to do this damage. I would buy a hit against a tub or sink, but not a headboard from a lying down position.

Editing to add: the only way I can see a headboard causing this type of damage is during a seizure in bed, which some people experience and you can knock yourself out. In a case like this with so many injuries, if this was the case, I would assume he lost consciousness right away and that could explain why the room was orderly, how he was in bed either over or under the covers, and why police are so certain there's no foul play.

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

No medical expert here, but couldn’t the broken bones around the eyes have been caused by the force of the back of the head being hit so hard? Force going through the skull and not the actual brain breaking the bones? I feel like that’s the explanation from some doctors when this came out? I could be wrong, but I remember hearing that.

eta. It seems to me that would have to be a heck of a lot of force!

Here is another.

"Addressing the fracture found around Saget's eyes, he added, "The head hits something hard and the skull fractures in different places including the orbits (the part of the skull around the eyes) and that causes bleeding which compresses the brain. The force of the hit on the head can also directly bruise and damage the brain.""

Sheriff's Office Responds to Lawsuit Filed by Bob Saget's Family to Block Release of Death Records

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

From the article

In a statement shared with PEOPLE in response to the lawsuit, the Sheriff's Office said, "While we are sensitive to the family's concerns about the right to privacy, that must be balanced with our commitment to transparency, compliance with the law, and the public's right to know."

If there was no foul play, does the public have a right to know the details?

 

[Gardenista]

From the article



In a statement shared with PEOPLE in response to the lawsuit, the Sheriff's Office said, "While we are sensitive to the family's concerns about the right to privacy, that must be balanced with our commitment to transparency, compliance with the law, and the public's right to know."

Sheriff is right. Florida has very stringent sunshine laws. I can see them denying the autopsy photos/videos, but not the rest of it. I'll be interested in seeing how this shakes out.