Bobbi Kristina Brown found unresponsive in bathtub. #2

[Cinnamon]

Thanks for both your posts as they give me a place to jump off of. I admit, sheepishly, that I watched some of the train wreck that was "Being Bobby Brown". My take away from that was this. WH was no angel and was not led down any primrose path when she chose BB. She was informed and was an adult, with her own issues when she chose him, a man with clear issues and red flags that abounded. She was running that show. She was large and in charge. I believe it to my core.

This is not meant to vilify WH or martyr BB. It is simply MOO. These two people were flawed, human, not a good pairing because codependency was rife in this relationship. But I never once doubted they loved one another. The fell into a trap. Too much money. No one to put on the brakes. and children in the mix. I do not think either was the most attentive, involved, present parent. I blame both and neither more than the other. My heard breaks for BKB. This child loved both her parents, and was stuck in a whirlwind of overindulgence and too much stuff and too little attention and parenting. That is MOO.

I honestly believe with all my heart that WH and BB loved one another and were soulmates. Sadly, they were both a mess and neither was good for the other. So there it is. Who suffered most because of it was BKB. So I can find it in my heart to feel for WH before she passed, for BB now, but most of all, for BKB, as she was the one left holding the emotional and codependent bag at the end of the day. I think she took comfort in the familiar and with someone she always had a shine for. I think she repeated what was modeled for her to tragic end landing us here, now.

Great post, tlcya! I don't think you're vilifying anybody. ITA! I LOVED WH, I was probably her biggest fan!!! I took her death extremely hard, especially since it was a few days after my birthday. I remember when she came on the scene. I followed her from the day of her first album debut in 1985. She was a beautiful woman with an incredible voice coming out of that tiny little body. My MP3 player still contains all of her albums, and I listen to them often. I've been told many times over the years that I resemble her, especially in my wedding day picture. Not to be petty, but she was a year younger than me, so she resembled ME! :smile: This was before her drug use days (that we knew of), so I took that as a compliment, because she was a beautiful woman. And, I do agree, in her early days before the drugs, we DO resemble each other, eerily so, since her death, I really notice it. In her older videos and movies, I can see the resemblance...

As for her and BB's marriage, I never understood what she saw in him. I loved BB in New Edition, but I was shocked when she married him! But, in matters of the heart, who are we to judge?! I do agree that they were two flawed individuals and their relationship was doomed from the start, IMO. Poor BKB, was probably living the only life she knew. I too, watched a few episodes of their "reality show," and she (WH) was definitely no angel. She had issues, he had issues, and to bring a child in the mix, who was also shown on the show, just SMH. So sad, so tragic. WH's love for her daughter was evident to me, so I'm sure she wanted better for BKB, so she must be rolling over in her grave. Just an all around tragedy. If this was foul play, which IMO, it was, I hope the perp(s) are arrested and convicted. No matter what life one lives, they don't deserve to go out like that! MOO. :cry:

 

[Kimberlyd125]

It's hard to have sympathy for him when this may never have happened if he'd been a decent father in the first place.

I find this post very upsetting.

Celebrity or not, he's her Daddy.
Addict or not, he's her Daddy.
Perfect or not, he's her Daddy.
And she's his baby girl.

I know for a fact he loves his baby girl.
I know for a fact, she loves her Daddy.

How people can be so insensitive and judgmental in the time of heart wrenching tragedy is beyond me.

JMO

 

[sunflowerchick]

I find this post very upsetting.

Celebrity or not, he's her Daddy.
Addict or not, he's her Daddy.
Perfect or not, he's her Daddy.
And she's his baby girl.

I know for a fact he loves his baby girl.
I know for a fact, she loves her Daddy.

How people can be so insensitive and judgmental in the time of heart wrenching tragedy is beyond me.

JMO

This whole thread has been that way. I come here hoping to hear positive news. I am usually disappointed.

 

[Cinnamon]

I find this post very upsetting.

Celebrity or not, he's her Daddy.
Addict or not, he's her Daddy.
Perfect or not, he's her Daddy.
And she's his baby girl.

I know for a fact he loves his baby girl.
I know for a fact, she loves her Daddy.

How people can be so insensitive and judgmental in the time of heart wrenching tragedy is beyond me.

JMO

ITA, Kimberlyd125! At the end of the day, BB IS her father, period! His child is in a coma, near death, and I'm sure he's grieving. And, I have very much sympathy for HIM and ALL of BKB's family. I didn't meet my father until I was 25 because I CHOSE not to! Why? Because I listened to rumors from some family and friends. Some of what I heard about him turned out to be true, but when I finally did meet him, I found out that a lot of stuff was NOT true. He loved me, always asked my grandparents (his parents) about me, and he finally tracked me down. Just because he wasn't in my life didn't make him an indecent father! The day I met him was one of the best days of my life! When he died, I was sitting in the front pew, bawling my eyes out. We don't really know the B's family dynamics...oh, unless you believe everything you read/hear in the media.

 

[K_Z]

Cardiologist on [BKB]'s Condition: 'Everyday She's On a Ventilator, Prognosis Gets Worse'
http://li557-235.members.linode.com...hes-on-a-ventilator-prognosis-gets-worse.html

Very, very true. And quite understated. That there is no dramatic announcement of any kind of objective improvement is telling. She's only 21 years old and it's been about 2 weeks. She should be making *some kind* of progress that would be joyously reportable. Such as beginning to take some kind of breaths against or with the help of the ventilator.

BK has had an oral endotracheal tube in place for mechanical ventilation for approximately 2 weeks now. That is the outer limit for placement of a more permanent tracheostomy tube (breathing tube in the front of the neck). There are a number of complications from having an oral endotracheal tube in place for so long, beyond a week or so-- there can be erosion and damage to the trachea and vocal cords from an oral ET in place for so many days. (An oral ET has a balloon around the bottom edge of the tube to keep it in place, keep oxygen rich air directed into the lungs, and keep air from leaking around it. That balloon can be very irritating to the larynx and tracheal tissues.)

If she is not weaning from the vent, or showing clear signs that she is soon to be extubatable, then the *lack* of conversion to a tracheostomy is also quite telling in the area of prognosis.

All signs indicate she is not getting better at all. And if she is brain dead, all signs point to the family and the hospital being trapped in a "holding pattern", paralyzed with indecision as to how to proceed, IMO.

 

[tlcya]

I completely support everyone's opinion and right to respectfully state it. Even when I disagree with their entire post, opinion or sentiment. Even as I disagree, I take away something.

 

[MsFacetious]

Maybe there was a clause in Whitney's will preventing this?:dunno:

I don't believe Whitney even named Bobbi in her will.
I believe it was done while she was expecting Bobbi.
I highly doubt she put any clause in there about marrying too young.

She definitely wouldn't have put a clause in there about Nick.
Since the will was several years before he came into their life.
There were no edits to the will as far as recipients... after it was initially created.
Just the person who was in charge of it all was changed later on.

 

[MzOpinion8d]

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I find this post very upsetting.

Celebrity or not, he's her Daddy.
Addict or not, he's her Daddy.
Perfect or not, he's her Daddy.
And she's his baby girl.

I know for a fact he loves his baby girl.
I know for a fact, she loves her Daddy.

How people can be so insensitive and judgmental in the time of heart wrenching tragedy is beyond me.

JMO

I feel sad for Bobbi Kristina. She needed her Daddy while she was growing up but he wasn't there for her.

I'm certain they love each other, I never said otherwise. But just because you feel sad for someone doesn't mean you can't have an opinion on their behaviors. If Bobby would have put BK first, maybe things would have turned out differently.

Children ALWAYS have to be the top priority. No excuses.

ETA I say this as a mother of 4 whose father would be extremely sad if anything happened to them, yet won't put an ounce of effort into being part of their lives on a regular basis. I fully admit to having a cynical, jaded, and biased viewpoint.

 

[Luvrosco]

It's so sad that she grew up with such dysfunctional parents that were involved in drugs. Fox News cable just announced that her organs are shutting down.

 

[Luvrosco]

http://http://www.tmz.com/2015/02/14/bobbi-kristina-dying-organs-failing-life-support/

 

[bettybaby00]

http://http://www.tmz.com/2015/02/14/bobbi-kristina-dying-organs-failing-life-support/

Link isn't working?

 

[bettybaby00]

http://http://www.tmz.com/2015/02/14/bobbi-kristina-dying-organs-failing-life-support/

Sigh...this is what happened with my mom. Drs. advised putting her on a vent "for a few,days" and then she became dependent on it....she already had a feeding tube, b/c of the vent, and then the organs started to fail.

If the report is true, there isn't much chance of her recovering.

 

[Luvrosco]

It's so sad. Even though Bobby might not have been the best father,due to his drug involvement and problems with Whitney after the divorce,my heart breaks for him. I'm sure he deeply loves BK and this must be tearing him apart.

 

[kimi_SFC]

http://http://www.tmz.com/2015/02/14/bobbi-kristina-dying-organs-failing-life-support/

Link isn't working?

I had issues on Tapatalk.... If you look at the quoted posts above, there are an extra set of "http://" in the URL Or
"http://http://www" in the URL

To a computer, that's like getting the zip code wrong.

However,

Here's the mobile version: :tyou: Luvrosco for sharing this story with the thread :heartluv:

http://m.tmz.com/#Article/2015/02/14/bobbi-kristina-dying-organs-failing-life-support

HTH

ETA: my thoughts on the link and a few other things.....
(FYI TMZ removed the media / ?video? From this news story):

As for the link., I'm just sad, broken hearted, and wishing I could foresee some resolution for Ms. Bobbi Kristina, and her loved ones. Today is Valentine's Day, and she is physically near some of her family and loved ones - separated from others she has loved from her teenage and young adult life. Now, they couldn't be farther away from her.
I realize some don't believe she can be aware of them at all. The fact is, we don't know enough to make this call with any certainty. If NG has been documented as her abuser, I am truly conflicted as to whether or not he should be allowed at her bedside. If they were already married, and no TRO were already in place, I'm sure they could still have figured out the legal maneuvers to keep him away (without as much leverage, IYKWIM).

FTSOC, let's say he hasn't been abusive, and these accusations have all been lies (for the moment), his presence (if Bobby Kristina's condition is not too far gone), may actually have some response to his presence or voice. They won't know until he is allowed there to try. I am somewhat puzzled that this hasn't been attempted - at least once or twice. Perhaps they are unable or unwilling to leave that "last resort" option until the end (or perhaps NG can't stand to see Krissi that way?) :dunno:

I'm just thinking out loud this morning. My wedding anniversary to my ex was on Valentine's Day. It didn't end well (not that that's what happened here, but I can't help but wonder what this beautiful young woman was going through that morning. She had SO much going on, and yet, I want to believe she had more to live for than anything else! :heartbeat:

Insomnia and worry = long post (my apologies) :blushing:

Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

 

[Softail]

Bobbi Kristina -- Organs Failing ... Just a Matter of Time

Bobbi Kristina's organs are shutting down and reliable family sources say at this point it doesn't matter if Bobby Brown withdraws life support ... she's dying.

Read more: http://www.tmz.com/2015/02/14/bobbi-kristina-dying-organs-failing-life-support/#ixzz3Rj9Cbynm


Sadly, I think we've all know this for the past 2 weeks. :cry:

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

Thoughts and prayers for Bobbi Kristina and her family. :rose:

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

How large is the townhome where BK and NG live? I don't get how someone "loses track" of a person in their home :waitasec:

Apologies for quoting myself :angel: IIRC, this is a (for sale) unit in the townhouse development where Bobbi Kristina lives. Nancy Grace described the unit as being similar to BK's townhome. This particular unit is 2400 sq. ft. - hardly large enough for someone to become "lost" in the home or for someone to "lose track" of a person. I suspect we will eventually learn a lot more about who was there and what was going on the morning that Bobbi Kristina was found unresponsive in the bathtub. :moo:

http://www.estately.com/listings/info/9052-riverbend-mnr--1

 

[oh_gal]

It's so sad that she grew up with such dysfunctional parents that were involved in drugs. Fox News cable just announced that her organs are shutting down.

Lots of people grow up in dysfunctional, or less than perfect, families. The difference lies in how one chooses to live their life after growing up in such circumstances. At some point, it's no longer your parents' fault for how you were raised, but your own fault, for how you choose to live your adult life.

Not meant as an attack on you, simply using your post as a jumping off platform.

 

[heavenly2012]

I believe it will be telling when and if the hospital continues to keep Ms Brown there or asks the family to move her to an extended care facility. That is providing the family wishes to continue the life support.

When my Mom was in the hospital and was finally diagnosed with stage 4 cancer, she decided she would not do chemotherapy after considering her options. The hospital gave me 24 hours to find an extended care facility or arrange hospice, because she no longer needed to be in the hospital. I arranged hospice and brought her home. She died two days later. I realize she was no "celebrity" to the hospital or TMZ. But she was still a "celebrity" to me.

Also telling I think would be what area of the hospital she is being maintained at now. Is it ICU or neurology or a rehab section?

JMO's

I'm so sorry for your loss (hugs)

 

[leah]

Apologies for quoting myself :angel: IIRC, this is a (for sale) unit in the townhouse development where Bobbi Kristina lives. Nancy Grace described the unit as being similar to BK's townhome. This particular unit is 2400 sq. ft. - hardly large enough for someone to become "lost" in the home or for someone to "lose track" of a person. I suspect we will eventually learn a lot more about who was there and what was going on the morning that Bobbi Kristina was found unresponsive in the bathtub. :moo:

http://www.estately.com/listings/info/9052-riverbend-mnr--1

Beautiful home, I could get lost if I wanted to, very easily. I don't know but, I doubt if Lomas would be watching every move that Nick was making.