Book released by Defense Atty Nov 2015 #1

[Mindmatters]

About Nurmi and his publication of the book: I think Nurmi was in a sense traumatized by having to remain counsel for Arias and in effect putting his new private practice on hold for years because of her. I think he is suffering from a severe case of burnout and disillusionment with his chosen profession. I believe the book for him was for therapeutic reasons, and he did i t knowing it could result in sanctions and even the suspension of his license. No one could have a doubt that Jodi will file a grievance against him and try to have his license yanked - I just think for Nurmi, that risk is outweighed by his need to respond to the lies that Jodi told about him, and if it results in the loss of his license, so be it.

I actually respect him for that if it is his motivation behind the book. I have been in a similar situation with a former client, and it is difficult to imagine the huge impact that can have on your entire life and your enthusiasm about practicing law. As a result of my experience, I actully took a sabatical from practicing law for a year, and at the time had no desire to ever return to practicing law. So I kinda feel like I can relate to what Nurmi's been through a bit - but his experience was so much more public, and he has been subject to so much ridicule and hate for years - and it still continues.

:goodpost::rockon:

I'm trying to catch up but had to comment on Minor's post. This is an excellent post. Your supposition IMO is spot on and makes absolute sense. If one researches (peer reviewed literature) the impact of those with untreated BPD and NPD have had on their friends and families the similarities are astounding. I have never liked some of the things Nurmi has done in his defense of "it" but I have believed that he was essentially a hostage of this twisted b!tch from hell and would ultimately be another one of her victims.

 

[Steve44]

I haven't posted in ages, but just wanted to add my two cents to the discussion about Nurmi's adventures in self-publishing. (I wonder if his former client's creative writing skills rubbed off on him. I would certainly never want anything of Jodi's to rub off on me. Ever. Ew.)

Right at the end of The Importance of Being Earnest, Oscar Wilde refers to a "manuscript of a three-volume novel of more than usually revolting sentimentality." The typical Victorian "three-volume novel" could be expected to be light on story and skill, heavy on words. Read the Wikipedia article for more info: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-volume_novel

I can't imagine there's much sentimentality in Nurmi's writing. Self-aggrandizement and un-righteous indignation though? Hell yeah. (Or as the PPLers might say, self-edification -- "edify" in PPL-speak means to inflate a higher-up's knowledge, business savvy, and all-around fabulousness, so that when you arrange for a potential recruit to speak with Mr. or Ms. Hot Stuff -- often during a conference call -- the potential recruit will be super-duper impressed.)

But none of this is my point. Obviously Nurmi is doing this for money, he's doing it to one-up Juan (Hey Juan, mine's bigger!), aaaaaand he's doing it for attention. He's pulling on his loudest sock-tie combo and jumping on the ALV pity-party bandwagon. He knows that regardless of what he actually writes (basically), the reaction on social media will be swift, vitriolic, and massive. The fall-out will be the story.

And you can mark my words on that.

If it's money, he's paying too much for it.

If it's to one-up Juan, it's more like one-downing him.

If it's to get attention for it's own sake, more of the same will not do him any good.

 

[MaLou]

:goodpost::rockon:

I'm trying to catch up but had to comment on Minor's post. This is an excellent post. Your supposition IMO is spot on and makes absolute sense. If one researches (peer reviewed literature) the impact of those with untreated BPD and NPD have had on their friends and families the similarities are astounding. I have never liked some of the things Nurmi has done in his defense of "it" but I have believed that he was essentially a hostage of this twisted b!tch from hell and would ultimately be another one of the convict's victims.

I totally agreed with Minor's post, but as you catch up, you'll find out that many things that Nurmi wrote are very slimy and critical of the prosecution. He's also very condescending and demeaning to the reader. His tone seems to be very angry and he is unleashing via his book.

I don't know what to think anymore. It's hard for me to believe how horrible people can be, but it's true; there are a lot of awful people in this world and he seems to be one of them.

Thanks again to everyone for sharing the excerpts. It is much appreciated.

 

[LinasK]

Do you have any idea when he and the......(i will behave).....ladies had a falling out? Later as after the trial?

And...do I understand that right? He, the attorney, is grovelling after MDLR the ethically challenged foul mouthed contractor mitigation specialist to regain HER respect?


Interesting, your take on that disconnect. I wonder if that kind of disconnect (to a lesser degree) is typical for defense attorneys? I bet being able to compartmentalize would be a useful and maybe even necessary skill. How else could one feel energized enough to get up each morning to defend the indefensible?

BBM. I received that answer from someone I believe to have been a member of OJ's Dream Team, "moral cover".

 

[MaLou]

Ooooo, I just read on the Official JM fanclub FB page that in his final book, Nurmi plans to include a letter written to JA.

And his analogy about how JA affects his brain is repulsive and bizarre. Strange man.

 

[wasnt_me]

As long as we're on the topic (since this bothers me as well) ... would of, could of, etc., as opposed to would have or could have (or would've or could've). I know the words sound the same, but...

Agreed! I can't stand that either. "Of" is not a verb!

 

[wasnt_me]

He never got together with her. And so fricking what if he did??? He wasn't even in any relationship by Feb. 08..

I don't believe I said there would have been a problem if he did. I was simply giving my take on someone saying that Nurmi was painting Travis as some sexual maniac, and another poster disagreeing with Nurmi. While I agree that Travis was not a sexual maniac, I was noting that some of the texts did have sexual overtones, more of them in March, too. But I still don't see Travis as being anything other than an average male. By mormon standards, there might be some issues, but I'm not mormon, so his talk didn't outrage me.

It wasn't a matter for me of whether he hooked up. I wish he did since he didn't have long to live.

 

[Steve44]

Ooooo, I just read on the Official JM fanclub FB page that in his final book, Nurmi plans to include a letter written to JA.

I'd be more interested in reading her response.

And his analogy about how JA affects his brain is repulsive and bizarre. Strange man.

Though if it was by way of explanation, it makes sense.

 

[wasnt_me]

A new Nurmiism, apparently. By the way, great to see you here again, WM.

Thanks, geevee! Good to see you, too. I just got to thinking about Travis for some reason, and there I go down the trial rabbit hole! I didn't know we had text messages, journals and books, now! Oh, my!

 

[wasnt_me]

Thanks for all the snippets and analyses of KN's 1/3 book. For me, it's not worth the investment in even a kindle version. I'm saving my allowance to order JM's hardcover so it can join the rank and file in my true mystery portion of my personal library.

Martinez (as did John Ashton) sought a ghost writer who worked with him to keep his book honest and professional. It's not a negative thing at all. Juan has the ideas, the facts; in effect, the rough draft. A ghost writer also smooths out and corrects timelines and so on. He or she is a super-editor.

Wait for part 3. That's probably where he'll reveal how JA paid for his gastro-surgery, but poor him, he had to buy a whole new wardrobe.

 

[wasnt_me]

Pink...sorry, another question. What is your sense of who Nurmi thinks his reading audience is? From what you've posted it seems he is speaking directly to "trial watchers."

Does he bother to provide any comprehensive overview of the trials, however biased, so that readers who didn't follow the trial can understand what the heck he's spouting off about?

And if intended for just hardcore trial followers. WTH. How exactly does he think he's gonna rehabilitate himself with this book? "Haters" are going to be angry and disgusted that he continues to attack Travis and JM and now others too, including the truly impressive DeMarte, and the killer's fans will condemn him for bad mouthing their goddess.

I haven't read it, but it sounds like he is his own audience.

 

[Hope4More]

More quotes and snippets from twitterdom.

"To me Yreka seemed no more than a big truck stop, and a sleazy one at that."

He shut her up about vaginal grooming and long stories about her sexual escapades by telling her the ABA didn't require him to listen to her smut.

He was creeped out by how completely unaffected she was when he looked at those photos of her.

What she most wanted to talk about was her pod, her cat, her mother and not having enough $$ in commissary.

This is most interesting so far: She actually went into full blown manipulation mode, crying, head on table to PREVENT him from filing some of his many motions. He ignored her and filed them anyway. (sounds like she knew she'd have fewer grounds for appeal, he was being so thorough).

As a random sentence at the end of a chapter he wrote:" And by the way Ms. Arias, if you're reading this, I do not give a crap about your car. ". LOL.

 

[geevee]

Thanks, geevee! Good to see you, too. I just got to thinking about Travis for some reason, and there I go down the trial rabbit hole! I didn't know we had text messages, journals and books, now! Oh, my!

LOL You have lots to catch up on if the mood is with you, there's a thread on texts that Hope and others have added plenty to, plus what you've seen in these Beyond Sentencing threads. Really missed you throughout the retrial, but glad to see you posting again.

 

[MsJosie]

Which is precisely what happened to me. Retreat is the better part of valor in the case of the BK site. Do not comment on the book unless it agrees with the moderator and other groupies. I made that mistake. I commented I didn't read the book but from the reviews of others I decided I made the right decision and saved money and aggravation. I was attacked, politely but aggressively, and often. When I tried to respond I was blocked. So much for dialogue. I haven't been back, but basically I have read all I intended to. I will not renew my subscription. Very disappointed in BK site.

When I opted to not keep paying every month, before I could sign out, I had to give a reason!!! I called P-yP-l and told them to stop my monthly payment, why and that it is extremely difficult to find how to 'unjoin'. PP stopped payment and then I again contacted the site and said no more money after a date. I left because I was fed up with the felon, but the site was not nice. I am used to 'nice' and nice people here on WS....I will stay here read and discuss.

 

[wasnt_me]

"The sex tape also made me consider the fact that Mr. Alexander might have had a sexual interest in children because in this tape he compared Ms. Arias' orgasm to that of a 12 year old girl. He also talked about corking the pot of a 12 year old girl. It never made any sense to me why he would say such things if he did not have such an interest. With my experience as a sex crimes attorney and my knowledge of his background I felt that if he had such an attraction he had likely been a victim of sexual abuse as a child. Could I conclude any of this definitively? No, but the evidence pointed in that direction." p. 280

About this sex tape...I read a WHOLE LONG argument that it was spliced together over several conversations, and JA actually recorded it on speakerphone AND THEN I guess somehow put it on her phone.

http://jodiariastrialtruth.blogspot.com/2015/05/an-in-depth-analysis-about-jodis-helio.html

 

[Hope4More]

Says the killer went pro per the 1st time so she could question Heather, a podmate who had taken responsibility for the coded magazines. Tweeter says Nurmi wrote that JM destroyed Heather on cross.

Nurmi also said the killer seemed to relish having Heather on the stand lying for her.

 

[wasnt_me]

LOL You have lots to catch up on if the mood is with you, there's a thread on texts that Hope and others have added plenty to, plus what you've seen in these Beyond Sentencing threads. Really missed you throughout the retrial, but glad to see you posting again.

I couldn't watch it, so i was mad. The verdict made me mad. I was one disgruntled Travis supporter. I did watch Nu-ALV. That woman! What was her name? If you listen and dont look at her, she sounded JUST like Alyce! None of the watching and researching makes Travis return to life. I think that's what I really want, and it won't happen.

 

[wasnt_me]

When I opted to not keep paying every month, before I could sign out, I had to give a reason!!! I called P-yP-l and told them to stop my monthly payment, why and that it is extremely difficult to find how to 'unjoin'. PP stopped payment and then I again contacted the site and said no more money after a date. I left because I was fed up with the felon, but the site was not nice. I am used to 'nice' and nice people here on WS....I will stay here read and discuss.

I signed for just one month. What's the hold up on the rest of Travis' text messages? I don't want to pay another fee to see them. Shouldn't public trial evidence be free? I can't stand all the people making money off his death. And I don't see a link to his journals thus far. where is that?

 

[Hope4More]

Tweeter: Nurmi says what bothered her most about his visit to Yreka and her family wasn't that they didn't seem to care about her, but that Nurmi didn't pet her cat Luna..

She actually called him during his visit to grandparents, to "try to control the conversation." While she was on the phone she ordered him to pet Luna and he refused. She got very upset while still on phone."

and...


Her brother C-- was important to case but couldn't be used because he didn't show up for his deposition.

Visits to her in jail that should have been as short as 30 min ended up being 2 hours because she required/demanded that much attention.

 

[MsJosie]

I signed for just one month. What's the hold up on the rest of Travis' text messages? I don't want to pay another fee to see them. Shouldn't public trial evidence be free? I can't stand all the people making money off his death. And I don't see a link to his journals thus far. where is that?

The site has good info but there always was a delay in info...like dangle a carrot and see who will bite ( age showing). I figured out pretty quick that if a member, I felt that I had to always agree with what was said, I did not...frustrating so I left. Joining month to month is the way to join, not like I did which was the automatic monthly payment. I like it here.