Book released by Defense Atty Nov 2015 #1

[RickshawFan]

Wow, as of this AM, Nurmi's book is the #1 new release in the "Murder and Mayhem True Accounts" category (what ever that is).

Can only hope that has kool-aid tinged froth in the mouths of certain supporters.



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Maybe it's the only book in that category? I mean, how may books have been released over the weekend in the "Murder and Mayhem True Accounts" category? Methinks we're looking at #1 of 1.

 

[Hope4More]

For anyone interested in her appeals docket:

No new motions. Several court reporters haven't turned in transcripts and are on the docket to show cause for an extension.

Extensions have already been granted as far out as January 15, 2016.

Since her attorneys can't begin writing their appeals brief to the COA until they have reviewed the full trial record, its going to be a long while before the un-disqualified COA receives her appeal.

 

[RickshawFan]

I read his introduction, thanks to Sam's heads-up about Amazon book-peeping.

Nurmi says that he is writing his book because (listed in the order he presented these, IIRC):

1. For himself, hoping the process of writing will help him understand the "gift" in representing the killer.

2. For himself, as therapy.

3. Because he feels very misunderstood. It bothers him to be so disliked when people don't anything about him as a person or as an attorney.

4. Because he wants to help prevent another avoidable tragedy like this, and believes his extensive knowledge of criminal law and of psychology, as evidenced by his book, can contribute to that outcome .

5. Last, he says, is that he seeks redemption.


About his audience. He says if he wanted to make money off the book he would have directed it to Travis supporters and sold thousands and thousands of books, or have written it for her supporters and sold a couple of copies (zing, zing).

He says he wrote it for neither, believing "taking sides" is distasteful in such a tragedy.

Also, he says those who thought he was inept don't understand the magnitude of what he achieved. That he saved the life of "the most hated woman in America, " and indeed, maybe in the entire world.

His first chapter is titled: Who is Nurmi?

BBM. He's undoubtedly mostly right. It was quite an achievement that his client is not on DR: seriously. He did manage to do what he was hired to do. Ironically, the still bigger gift, as he doesn't seem to realize, is that thanks to him, Jodi gets to rot under her very eyes for 99 more years. If he took responsibility for this "I did you all a big favor" idea—as head of the DT, I believe he'd have a right to make this claim—he'd probably sell a lot more books. He also, though, the trial process should have made him at least vaguely aware that he cannot write and that he obviously didn't apply himself in school/college. Nurms, you're ignorant, get it?

And also, Nurms, if you want to sell a book that you don't have the talent to write, you get an editor. Just sayin'...

Nurmi is explicit that he doesn't care about the sales volume, but, hey, Amazon is for sales. if you charge a fee for your magnum opus and put it out there for people to buy, you are definitely interested in selling it. Otherwise, you'd shelve the thing in your man cave or pack it away in the tool shed.

 

[Steve44]

I read his introduction, thanks to Sam's heads-up about Amazon book-peeping.

Nurmi says that he is writing his book because (listed in the order he presented these, IIRC):

1. For himself, hoping the process of writing will help him understand the "gift" in representing the killer.

2. For himself, as therapy.

3. Because he feels very misunderstood. It bothers him to be so disliked when people don't anything about him as a person or as an attorney.

4. Because he wants to help prevent another avoidable tragedy like this, and believes his extensive knowledge of criminal law and of psychology, as evidenced by his book, can contribute to that outcome .

5. Last, he says, is that he seeks redemption.


About his audience. He says if he wanted to make money off the book he would have directed it to Travis supporters and sold thousands and thousands of books, or have written it for her supporters and sold a couple of copies (zing, zing).

He says he wrote it for neither, believing "taking sides" is distasteful in such a tragedy.

Also, he says those who thought he was inept don't understand the magnitude of what he achieved. That he saved the life of "the most hated woman in America, " and indeed, maybe in the entire world.

His first chapter is titled: Who is Nurmi?

1. It's strange he considers it a gift now, when he had it he couldn't wait to give it back.

2. I hope that works out for him. Unfortunately, the rest of us might need therapy after reading it.

3. Apparently, misunderstanding wasn't the problem.

4. If he's referring to the murder, how are his written words going to prevent another? If he's referring to the trial, he could have prevented this one, since most of the slime and delays came from him.

5. Go thy way, and sin no more.

 

[Hope4More]

BBM. He's undoubtedly mostly right. It was quite an achievement that his client is not on DR: seriously. He did manage to do what he was hired to do. Ironically, the still bigger gift, as he doesn't seem to realize, is that Jodi gets to rot under her very eyes for 99 more years. He'd probably sell a lot more books if he fastened on this "I did you all a big favor" idea and got himself an editor.

He is explicit that he doesn't care about the sales volume, but, hey, Amazon is for sales. if you charge a fee for your magnum opus and put it out there for people to buy, you are definitely interested in selling it. Otherwise, you'd shelve the thing in your man cave or pack it away in the tool shed.

The killer and her trials have taken up 7 years and counting of Nurmi's life. That's a big chunk of time, especially when most of one's non-trial related life gets suspended. Even JM, when asked what stands out most to him about the whole thing, responded " just how long it was."

So I can understand that all things killer have assumed a place of monumental significance to Nurmi. Truth is, he'd be better off if he understood that the killer was never the most hated woman in the US, much less in the whole great big wide world. Her trial was a big deal on SM for a fairly short while, largely because HLN exploited it for ratings, yammering away and gasping endlessly about Nurmi's sex diversion. Most interest evaporated after the first hung verdict. The audience for Act II was pretty dang minimal, consisting largely of hardcore trial followers.


To give Nurmi whatever due is due on the first trial, yep, she didn't get the DP. He should be able to claim that as a major victory, and he should feel gratified as a DP opponent and as a defense attorney. So why isn't that enough for him?

 

[Hope4More]

1. It's strange he considers it a gift now, when he had it he couldn't wait to give it back.



2. I hope that works out for him. Unfortunately, the rest of us might need therapy after reading it.

3. Apparently, misunderstanding wasn't the problem.

4. If he's referring to the murder, how are his written words going to prevent another? If he's referring to the trial, he could have prevented this one, since most of the slime and delays came from him.

5. Go thy way, and sin no more.

The gift. He's hoping to find something good about the experience as he writes because otherwise it was just one really long miserable experience.

Being misunderstood. What he doesn't understand is that people don't care who he is as a person, all that matters is what he did and said as her defense attorney. He doesn't see the difference, IMO, because he doesn't have the professionalism or character to not make things personal.

3. If I save only one life, it'll all be worthwhile. To take him at face value on this one would have to believe he's taking the high road in his book. That means believing he is delving back into all her lies about Travis and herself to point out what was "unhealthy" and "toxic," so that those in similar relationships can recognize the danger and get out before something completely unnecessary like a murder results.

Or..one can be more persuaded that he uses this rationale as an excuse to rehash all her lies about Travis and grant that many enough were true, in part to justify his despicable defense, especially during the PP retrial.

 

[Night-owl]

Maybe it's the only book in that category? I mean, how may books have been released over the weekend in the "Murder and Mayhem True Accounts" category? Methinks we're looking at #1 of 1.

Maybe they let you create your own catagory? Jodi could write a book and be # 1 in the catagory "Delusional Wish Fulfillment by Murdering Psycho Serving Life." [emoji57]

And it would be all, "You GO, girl..." from the Kool-aid crowd.

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[Night-owl]

1. It's strange he considers it a gift now, when he had it he couldn't wait to give it back.

Lie down with the dogs, Nurmi, and you get up with fleas.



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[Night-owl]

Never mind.

 

[Zuri]

If Nurmi is writing this time for redemption in the eyes of the public, IMO he has failed from what I have read here. There is no justification for the tactics he took during both trials.

During my brother's murder trial, I asked the Defense Attorney how he could represent the murderer. He told me that the way he could live with himself was to approach each trial like a chess match, with points of law as the moves. He said that every person deserved a defense according to the constitution and that was his job. Occasionally, he had a client who was truly innocent. I respected him for that.

Nurmi dragged these trials through the gutter. I do not believe he had to go to the extent he did to trash Travis and pursue the false allegations Heinous had made against Travis. I believe in a vigorous defense, but not at the expense of good, decent people who were caught in the fallout. There were ways to accomplish those goals without inflicting the damage he did.

Water seeks its own level. IMO, Nurmi became obsessed with being "right" and justified in the way he handled this case in light of the huge amount of public criticism. IMO, he has a very poor self image and thin skin and this attempt to rehabilitate his character through this book is failing miserably.

He may have PTSD from representing such evil, however IMO he would be better served seeking therapy quietly and pursue building his practice that was put on hold for so long. I would much rather hear or read that he does volunteer work for the homeless or works with kids to keep them from becoming his clients later down the road. So far, I have read nothing of the kind. IMO

 

[stillwatersc]

I read his introduction, thanks to Sam's heads-up about Amazon book-peeping.

Nurmi says that he is writing his book because (listed in the order he presented these, IIRC):

1. For himself, hoping the process of writing will help him understand the "gift" in representing the killer.

2. For himself, as therapy.

3. Because he feels very misunderstood. It bothers him to be so disliked when people don't anything about him as a person or as an attorney.

4. Because he wants to help prevent another avoidable tragedy like this, and believes his extensive knowledge of criminal law and of psychology, as evidenced by his book, can contribute to that outcome .

5. Last, he says, is that he seeks redemption.


About his audience. He says if he wanted to make money off the book he would have directed it to Travis supporters and sold thousands and thousands of books, or have written it for her supporters and sold a couple of copies (zing, zing).

He says he wrote it for neither, believing "taking sides" is distasteful in such a tragedy.

Also, he says those who thought he was inept don't understand the magnitude of what he achieved. That he saved the life of "the most hated woman in America, " and indeed, maybe in the entire world.

uke:

His first chapter is titled: Who is Nurmi?

Nurmi = :liar: :liar: :liar:$$$$$$$$$$$$$ (doesn't take a chapter)

 

[LinTX]

Is there any info about when the other two books are going to be released? I ask, because it's occurred to me that if the others are similar to the first, we're going to hear a lot of JM & Flores bashing and misrepresentations once he gets to the trial itself. I might need to schedule an extended vacation, for health reasons.

 

[samspace070]

Well, they seemed to fix the glitch at Amazon. I got a few chapters and that was it. LOL! I tried to read, but 1/2 page paragraphs are too much work to read.

I cringed at how it was written (former teacher of writing skills). Confuzzulating, to say the least!

It is very poorly written, very amateurish. They say John Grisham writes on an 8th grade level and that is why his books are so popular, because they are fast easy reads. Numi's isn't even written on an 8th grade level, just unskilled and hard to read. It is not full of facts, it is full of Nurmi's ideas and imaginings. He wants the reader to believe his take on things not the actual truth of it. All thru the chapters I read he said at the end, "Facts are stubborn things" He seemed to forget that statement as he wrote his book. It was more about guess work than facts. Oh, and lets not forget, it was about trashing the victim and the prosecutor and the prosecutors witnesses, and trying to make himself less of a douchebag.

 

[samspace070]

It would be one thing if he was just giving his view of the trial. A defense attorney does have a unique point of view that many people, particularly in a case like this, would love to hear, and if told in that spirit, as one point of view among many, could be of value. But Nurmi's book does not come across that way, he presents his point of view only at the expense of others, without humility, and using mean-spirited criticism to try to convince the reader that he's right and they're wrong. Some of his criticisms are outright childish (Dr. Horn expected people to believe him just because he was handsome), I could go on but you get the point.

In addition, his intellectual analyses and justifications are unimpressive and seem to show he actually believed a lot of the slime he was throwing during the trial. It's almost like he doesn't believe the trial is over, or at least his part in it, and he wants everyone to revisit it, and maybe they'll like him this time now that he's put everyone else in their place.

I had an open mind going into this, but I find Nurmi bizarre, tasteless, and intellectually boring.

I admit that his criticism of Arias is entertaining, but victimizing her family, even though no one feels they have been honest nor honorable to the victims family, can't be described as anything but low.

You should be the writer Steve. You get your thoughts across very intelligently. I enjoy reading your posts

 

[samspace070]

For anyone interested in her appeals docket:

No new motions. Several court reporters haven't turned in transcripts and are on the docket to show cause for an extension.

Extensions have already been granted as far out as January 15, 2016.

Since her attorneys can't begin writing their appeals brief to the COA until they have reviewed the full trial record, its going to be a long while before the un-disqualified COA receives her appeal.

I understand Scott Peterson just this year got his appeal filed. It's been eleven years. I hope it takes CMJA at least that long.

 

[ElleElle]

Wow, as of this AM, Nurmi's book is the #1 new release in the "Murder and Mayhem True Accounts" category (what ever that is).

Can only hope that has kool-aid tinged froth in the mouths of certain supporters.

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I don't think he has many supporters. Going over to the other side, it seems they are not happy with either Juan or Nurms releasing a book, due to this:

State Bar of Arizona - Rules of Professional Conduct

http://www.azbar.org/Ethics/RulesofProfessionalConduct/ViewRule?id=29

"ER 1.9. Duties to Former Clients

(a) A lawyer who has formerly represented a client in a matter shall not thereafter represent another person in the same or a substantially related matter in which that person's interests are materially adverse to the interests of the former client unless the former client gives informed consent, confirmed in writing.

(b) A lawyer shall not knowingly represent a person in the same or a substantially related matter in which a firm with which the lawyer formerly was associated had previously represented a client:

(1) whose interests are materially adverse to that person; and

(2) about whom the lawyer had acquired information protected by ERs 1.6 and 1.9(c) that is material to the matter;

unless the former client gives informed consent, confirmed in writing.

(c) A lawyer who has formerly represented a client in a matter shall not thereafter:

(1) use information relating to the representation to the disadvantage of the former client except as these Rules would permit or require with respect to a client, or when the information has become generally known; or

(2) reveal information relating to the representation except as these Rules would permit or require with respect to a client.

 

[samspace070]

I read his introduction, thanks to Sam's heads-up about Amazon book-peeping.

Nurmi says that he is writing his book because (listed in the order he presented these, IIRC):

1. For himself, hoping the process of writing will help him understand the "gift" in representing the killer.

2. For himself, as therapy.

3. Because he feels very misunderstood. It bothers him to be so disliked when people don't anything about him as a person or as an attorney.

4. Because he wants to help prevent another avoidable tragedy like this, and believes his extensive knowledge of criminal law and of psychology, as evidenced by his book, can contribute to that outcome .

5. Last, he says, is that he seeks redemption.


About his audience. He says if he wanted to make money off the book he would have directed it to Travis supporters and sold thousands and thousands of books, or have written it for her supporters and sold a couple of copies (zing, zing).

He says he wrote it for neither, believing "taking sides" is distasteful in such a tragedy.

Also, he says those who thought he was inept don't understand the magnitude of what he achieved. That he saved the life of "the most hated woman in America, " and indeed, maybe in the entire world.

His first chapter is titled: Who is Nurmi?

He also tells us he read "Deepak Chopra" and had a calendar with some of his philosophies on it. He seemed to be living his life according to these philosophies. He should have tried following the Bible. "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you" Luke 6:31NIV..... I realize some posters made fun of him personally and professionally but he needs to remember what Alan Dershowitz told a reporter after the OJ Trial when asked, "how he dealt with the scorn of the public for defending OJ" He responded "If you can't take the heat get out of the kitchen." Someone needs to tell Numi that. And Nurmi, if you are reading these posts, that is just what I am telling you "Get Out Of The Kitchen"

 

[Hope4More]

Pink- because you asked...

BY

in large (font).


thanks again for all the excerpts.

 

[ElleElle]

1. It's strange he considers it a gift now, when he had it he couldn't wait to give it back.

2. I hope that works out for him. Unfortunately, the rest of us might need therapy after reading it.

3. Apparently, misunderstanding wasn't the problem.

4. If he's referring to the murder, how are his written words going to prevent another? If he's referring to the trial, he could have prevented this one, since most of the slime and delays came from him.

5. Go thy way, and sin no more.

BBM ~

Isn't it true :giggle:, that he was trying to get Jodi to claim this was "a crime of passion"? I believe it would be kinda hard to work with a client that will not listen to your advice. I haven't read the book (not available in Canada), but, does he talk about why he delayed so much? Was it JA causing the delays because she was avoiding going to Perryville?

 

[Hope4More]

If Nurmi is writing this time for redemption in the eyes of the public, IMO he has failed from what I have read here. There is no justification for the tactics he took during both trials.

During my brother's murder trial, I asked the Defense Attorney how he could represent the murderer. He told me that the way he could live with himself was to approach each trial like a chess match, with points of law as the moves. He said that every person deserved a defense according to the constitution and that was his job. Occasionally, he had a client who was truly innocent. I respected him for that.

Nurmi dragged these trials through the gutter. I do not believe he had to go to the extent he did to trash Travis and pursue the false allegations Heinous had made against Travis. I believe in a vigorous defense, but not at the expense of good, decent people who were caught in the fallout. There were ways to accomplish those goals without inflicting the damage he did.

Water seeks its own level. IMO, Nurmi became obsessed with being "right" and justified in the way he handled this case in light of the huge amount of public criticism. IMO, he has a very poor self image and thin skin and this attempt to rehabilitate his character through this book is failing miserably.

He may have PTSD from representing such evil, however IMO he would be better served seeking therapy quietly and pursue building his practice that was put on hold for so long. I would much rather hear or read that he does volunteer work for the homeless or works with kids to keep them from becoming his clients later down the road. So far, I have read nothing of the kind. IMO

:fireworks::fireworks::fireworks:

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