Bosma Murder Trial 04.25.16 - Day 39

[andreww]

So, you've gone from thinking she's lying on the stand to cover for Smich to lying on the stand about being abused to make Smich look bad? Which is it?

You tell us. She's lied so many times. But I'd say she lies to protect herself only.

 

[flipflop]

IMO, it really rubs me the wrong way that her comment about a pregnancy test is being brought up. What does it add to their case? I just find it cruel and crass to bring it up. For all we know she was pregnant and miscarried. I think it's something that shouldn't come up in court. That might just be my emotions talking.

I agree, but think it is a very low blow to SB.....she will not have another baby with her hubby and here the delinquent that murdered her hubby may have just reproduced.....WHY is this apart of the murder trial????? I wish lawyers just had an ounce of compassion!!!

 

[meterclicks]

Sachak says Smich directed her to cancel the phone, and Meneses agrees.
by Adam Carter 3:52 PM

Meneses lied to the police about cancelling the phone, Sachak says. "That oath meant nothing because Smich meant everything at the time," Sachak says. Meneses agrees.
by Adam Carter 3:55 PM

Smich's sister came to Meneses' sister's place at one point and was yelling at Smich to "get rid of the gun" that was at his mother's home, Sachak says. Meneses says yes.
by Adam Carter 3:56 PM

 

[Nosey Parker]

I am curious to know at which point in her statements that she opened up with knowing more.

So many seem to be out with pitchforks against her for lying when to me it just fits in with her being abused. That's why she wouldn't go to the police before MS was arrested. He would have probably lost his mind on her if she did that.

Once she knew he was in jail and there was proof to keep him there, I feel like this is when she would have opened up to police about more. I can understand her being terrified to speak against MS if she thought he could possibly get out later that day or week.

All, MOO.

... but she is still being impeached as we speak (type)

 

[SnooperDuper]

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 56s57 seconds ago
Sachak: "so to be clear, before you picked up that phone, Mark directed you to cancel that phone." She agrees. #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 50s50 seconds ago
NS - Mark ordered you to cancel that phone. MM - I wouldn't say he ordered me. NS - He directed you. MM- Yes. OK

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 31s31 seconds ago
So Sachak suggests she was elusive to police in her statement saying it was on a random day, that he didn't know about it. #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 29s29 seconds ago
Sachak, voice rising, accuses Meneses of deliberately lying to police to protect #Smich.

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 3m3 minutes ago
"What you told police under oath was an absolute lie," Right.
Under oath, you were dishonest even though you knew you could go to prison

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 3m3 minutes ago
Sachak: "what you said is a lie....an absolute lie."
Meneses: "yes...right."
S: "under oath, you misled police."
M: "right." #Bosma

 

[SnooperDuper]

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 2m2 minutes ago
Sachak: "that oath meant nothing because Smich meant everything at that point."
Meneses: "yes." #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 3m3 minutes ago
"That oath meant nothing because #Smich meant everything, at that point." Meneses agrees

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 1m1 minute ago
Andrea #Smich came to Liz Meneses' home in a panic... yelling at #Smich to "Get rid of the gun." The one he left at his mom's house

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 1m1 minute ago
Sachak asking about Smich's sister yelling at home: "She's saying get rid of the gun that was left at Smich's home." Meneses agrees. #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 1m1 minute ago
Sachak suggests another reason on May 8 for wanting to go to her sister's was to put distance between Smich and the gun. #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 1m1 minute ago
She says she didn't know about the gun on May 8--but he says she would've eventually. #Bosma

 

[SnooperDuper]

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 56s56 seconds ago
#Smich told Meneses the gun was at his mother's house. It's one reason they stayed at Liz Meneses' home.

Alex Pierson ‏@AlexpiersonAMP 55s55 seconds ago
Meneses under fire over cancelling a phone she owned. Millard paid for. Smich used and instructed her to rid of. She misled policem

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 59s60 seconds ago
#Smich wanted to sell the gun used to kill Mr. #Bosma. Right. He wanted to profit off the death.

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 50s50 seconds ago
He wanted to sell the gun. "Smich wanted to make a profit on mr. #Bosma's death," Sachak says.
"Yes," she says quietly.

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 14s14 seconds ago
Sachak: and you, even then, knowing your bf wants to profit from #Bosma's death, you tell him get rid of the gun.
Yes, she says. #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 16s16 seconds ago
Sachak: again love was too strong.
right, she says. #Bosma

 

[matou]

So Smich's sister knew he had a gun and asked him to get rid of it?

 

[dar107]

IMHO, Sachak himself has indicated that she was abused. MS's suggestion that she strip is a huge red flag for me, suggesting that he had MM exactly where he wanted her to be. IIRC, there's a common denominator here with these 2. LB had gone from being emotionally unstable to being an escort. IMHO, abuse of young women like MM happens more often than we care to notice. The abuser(s) give a little, take a little, give a little, take more than a little and so it goes until they have the gf exactly where they want them: dependent, mentally messed up, alone and scared. If there's one thing Sachak's cross is showing me, it's exactly how used and abused MM was. At the ripe age of 19, she didn't have a clue. Wonder if we'll be saying the same thing about CN? I expected that MM was in a confusing, abusive relationship- I just don't see that with CN. I'm still shaking my head about DM wanting MS to get a real job? IMHO, that's the last thing that DM really wanted. It would have been a pretty lonely world for DM if his BFF was at work everyday making his own legal money. MOO

Thanks for this, I totally agree. And the stripping...my bet is that after introducing her into that world, it may well of led to hooking. Lots of money for MS. Its called grooming and just like you say here, give a little, take more...girls with problems at home are prime pickings for abusers. Whenever I look at the pictures of MS and MM under surveillance, she looks terrified IMO. I have no doubt he was abusive, likely more so when he was "juiced up" As for MM testimony, I tend to believe she is trying to be honest but maybe trying to cover her old lies at the same time. I was real glad to know that she has not been pining away and waiting for MS, and I do not think she is trying to protect him now, at least not intentionally. Perhaps the trauma of abuse still has her afraid of him. The relationship between an abuser and their abused is a complicated thing. I have seen and heard from many the "strong woman" who never thought it could happen to them, and it did and they reacted like many abused victims do.

 

[ArianeEmory]

So Smich's sister knew he had a gun and asked him to get rid of it?

Someone else should be able to substantiate, but yeah, I believe this is not the first time we've heard this piece of info (I believe we even heard it from a witness prior to MM).

(Er, wait, I'm re-reading your post and now I'm not sure if it was MS's sister or MM's sister. Some sister knew, though.)

 

[DeepWoodsOff]

So Smich's sister knew he had a gun and asked him to get rid of it?

Yah this one has been festering in my mind for a while now. This was mentioned a few times before. Unless I am mistaken...MS' sister was never a witness, was she? I'm getting old...my mind isn't what it used to be. Does this not seem like something you would want to get onto the witness stand? MOO

 

[SnooperDuper]

Alex Pierson ‏@AlexpiersonAMP 2m2 minutes ago
Sachak' "even when u know the gun is connected to #TimBosma death. When smich wants to profit off it. U tell him to rid of it." MM yes.

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 2m2 minutes ago
Sachak asks if she told him it was wrong to bury the gun. She did. It didn't matter to him or her at that point, he suggests. She agrees.

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 2m2 minutes ago
Meneses says she told #Smich it was wrong to bury the gun. But she stayed with him. Went to wedding with him.

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 1m1 minute ago
Sachak asks if she suggested she'd take the gun the police. She didn't. "Why would I want to get involved?" She asks. #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 1m1 minute ago
"Why would I want to get myself involved?" Meneses says. "Exactly," says Sachak

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 1m1 minute ago
"It's not about hiding. Your boyfriend has a gun used to kill a human being,a gun he was going to profit from. You told him to get rid of it

 

[meterclicks]

Sachak now says Smich wanted to sell the gun to "make a profit from Mr. Bosma's death."
by Adam Carter 3:58 PM

Meneses says she did tell him it was wrong to bury the gun.
by Adam Carter 4:01 PM

"Once he told you the gun was gone, you didn't want to know anything else about the gun, right?" Sachak says. Meneses says yes, but she asked him where he buried it. He didn't tell her.
by Adam Carter 4:03 PM

 

[Orderly]

As far as I understand, all the stuff about the pregnancy test and him abusing her and trying to get her to go into stripping/prostitution isn't relevant to the verdict since the accused cannot be convicted of murder based on that. The relevant information she provided was she corroborated the story about being picked up the next morning, which was evidenced by the videos and she also confirmed that he tried to sell the gun and get rid of the weed (which was confirmed through text messages and by other witnesses). Therefore, fine she isn't totally credible and fine let's say all the other witnesses aren't either but in the big scheme of things I think the narrative about what happened is still pretty consistent. The facts are that both planned to steal a truck (mens rea, evidenced by the text messages and testimony), both had guns, which gave them the capability to murder TB (evidenced by the pictures of each of them with guns) and both were present in the general area where the crime was committed after it was committed and tried to remove evidence (evidenced by cellphone pings and the video). Unless, these witnesses planned an elaborate conspiracy their story is still pretty legitimate.

IMO

 

[matou]

Yah this one has been festering in my mind for a while now. This was mentioned a few times before. Unless I am mistaken...MS' sister was never a witness, was she? I'm getting old...my mind isn't what it used to be. Does this not seem like something you would want to get onto the witness stand? MOO

Also in response to ArianeEmory: I remember reading prior to today's testimony that it was Marlena's sister who was yelling about getting rid of the gun. A few reporters are saying it was Andrea Smich who was doing the yelling and asking to get rid of the gun. Did she know anything?

 

[Inspector_North]

Someone else should be able to substantiate, but yeah, I believe this is not the first time we've heard this piece of info (I believe we even heard it from a witness prior to MM).

(Er, wait, I'm re-reading your post and now I'm not sure if it was MS's sister or MM's sister. Some sister knew, though.)

It was MS's sister, and I believe it was mentioned during BD's testimony. MOO

 

[ArianeEmory]

Also in response to ArianeEmory: I remember reading prior to today's testimony that it was Marlena's sister who was yelling about getting rid of the gun. A few reporters are saying it was Andrea Smich who was doing the yelling and asking to get rid of the gun. Did she know anything?

Well, I'm pretty muddled on sisters now.

Logically it would make more sense that MS's sister would be mad, since the gun was in THEIR mother's house. But yeah, I also have a memory of the story being associated with MM's sister.

Hopefully someone will come along and clear this up. Maybe both sisters knew and were mad.

 

[meterclicks]

"Knowing too much could mean knowing that Mr. Smich killed Mr. Bosma, and you couldn't live with that thought," Sachak says. Meneses says yes.
by Adam Carter 4:04 PM

Meneses agrees that at no point did Smich say Millard was planning to frame him.
by Adam Carter 4:05 PM

Sachak says Smich never told her that that he owned a gun or had bullets. "Shocking?" Sachak says. "Yeah," Meneses says, looking wide eyed.
by Adam Carter 4:08 PM

 

[SnooperDuper]

Alex Pierson ‏@AlexpiersonAMP 3m3 minutes ago
MM; "why would I want to get involved?" getting rid of the gun was easier. And they could get to that wedding. @AM900CHML #TimBosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 5m5 minutes ago
Sachak: he tells you the gun is gone just like he told you #Bosma was gone gone.
She agrees. #Bosma

Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 5m5 minutes ago Toronto, Ontario
Millard lawyer: He tells you the gun is gone... You didn't want to know anything else about it? Meneses: I asked him where he buried it

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 5m5 minutes ago
He suggests she left it at that. She agrees--she did ask where he'd buried it but he didn't tell her. #Bosma

Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 5m5 minutes ago Toronto, Ontario
Millard's lawyer: You didn't want to know anything else about. Knowing too much could be dangerous for your relationship. Meneses: Right

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 5m5 minutes ago
#Smich told Meneses the gun was gone. She asked him where he buried it. He just said it was gone.

 

[RandomName479]

Also in response to ArianeEmory: I remember reading prior to today's testimony that it was Marlena's sister who was yelling about getting rid of the gun. A few reporters are saying it was Andrea Smich who was doing the yelling and asking to get rid of the gun. Did she know anything?

IIRC during BD's testimony he said it was MS's sister.....I don't believe he was specific about WHICH of MS's sisters.....MOO Where was it said it was MM's sister? It could have been....I may have just missed it....