Bosma Murder Trial 05.16.16 - Day 49

[canadiangirl]

I feel like MS was the "outsider" in DM's circle. He's to DM like Arthur was to MS. IMO

The main players:
SS - trusty sidekick mechanic who saw nothing
MH - longtime family friend
AM - DM's bestie with the matchy match tats
CN - his lying gf
LW - his thing on the side
MB - well she just makes me sick

Then there's MS
BD - bestie
Arthur - guy they felt sorry for
MM - gf who bailed as soon as he was arrested.

Although I don't know that I 100% believe MS yet at this point. I do think he was the tag along that DM felt "sorry" for.

 

[don_quixote]

I still want to see a pic of Igor!

LOL. Look for a guy with a wildcat tattoo on his right shoulder.

 

[brightii]

LOL. Look for a guy with a wildcat tattoo on his right shoulder.

Do you mean a bobcat by chance?

 

[Claroon]

I can only guess he meant "'s coming to get me", not in the plural sense. His grammar hasn't been impeccable so it's anyone's guess. IMO.

When I first read "those N----s don't mess around" (or whatever it was) I first took it as LE because he had been arrested before and new the drill. IMO

 

[Claroon]

If they did pretend they were returning TB's truck after the test drive stopping by the Yukon, if all they needed was the truck and the key, they could have gotten out of the truck and when TB would be going around to change seats, tackle him, take the key, and be done with it. He would have been able to walk home...Could have been done without murder. IMO

 

[ILoveDateline]

I think DM's defence did make a good point today with MS about the decision to ask AM to bring all the drugs to him. It suggests to me that if that was truly MM's first concern after DM's arrest to get the weed to smoke, and if MS felt comfortable asking AM to get the drugs from DM's house and bring them to MS, they are all a lot cosier and closer (and lacking conscience) than any of them want the jury to believe. If MS had been really afraid of DM at that time (May 10th) MS had the perfect opportunity to lie low and not get involved further as DM was un custody. They all did get invoked though and they all worked together to get the weed and the toolbox to MS. Was this to protect DM? Maybe MS didn't expect the toolbox with gun(s) inside, but if its contents could only implicate DM in TB's murder, why not hide it (somewhere safe where it could later be found) until MS obtained a lawyer and let his lawyer advise him on what to do with it next?

What if there were 2 guns in the toolbox, one from TB's murder, and the other one from LB and/or WM's murder? Was sending the gun or 2 guns to MS a message from DM that he intended to frame MS in TB's murder and/or a reminder from DM to MS to stay silent because MS was also involved in the murder of LB? DM took the toolbox to MH and told him to hold it for a couple of weeks. Who made the decision to take the toolbox from MH and give it MS and why? I know AM made the call, but at whose instructions? Did AM get a message from DM through the grapevine that DM wanted MS to have it? Or did MS ask for it (and if so how did MS know DM took the toolbox to MH?) or did AM make that decision on his own to give MS the toolbox and if so, why?

Maybe there was a contingency plan about the drugs and gun(s) and what to do with them in the event of DM's arrest and this was all discussed between DM and MS (and perhaps others) during that 50 minute visit just prior to DM's arrest? DM knew, after all, that the heat was on him. I guess MS didn't know about DM's emergency cash fund that was stashed in DM's home or MS would likely have told AM to bring that along to him too? I don't get the sense from either of DM or MS about being in shock over TB's death or fear about being in the other's presence after TB's death, what I sense is deep dread that LE was closing in on them both and they were afraid of being caught and punished.

All MOO.

What is unclear to me is how anyone, specifically AM and/or MS were notified that MH had the toolbox. Conceivably, only DM, CN and MH knew this. In any case, it's clear AM and MH were more than happy to rid themselves of the weed and toolbox, 1) protecting DM and 2) if MS wanted them, all the better. If I was around, as AM was, to overhear the planning of the truck theft, and then one of the guys is subsequently arrested, I'd be more than happy to dump anything illegal on the second guy, if for no other reason but to say "you deal with it".

 

[spanishshara]

In your opinion. I personally disagree. DM = 1st degree, MS = AATF

MOO

Unless something changes, I still think they both get first-degree.

 

[brightii]

http://www.newstalk1010.com/news/20...ber-where-he-buried-gun-that-killed-tim-bosma

Newstalk 1010 report about today's testimony from MS.

All MOO.

 

[ArianeEmory]

If they did pretend they were returning TB's truck after the test drive stopping by the Yukon, if all they needed was the truck and the key, they could have gotten out of the truck and when TB would be going around to change seats, tackle him, take the key, and be done with it. He would have been able to walk home...Could have been done without murder. IMO

Yeah, I have this problem with basically all proposed theories and versions of how May 6 went down. Getting the truck without killing him would be trivial.

My gut instinct is still that DM had realized how easy it was to make people disappear in a burst of flame (WM was cremated too, was he not?) and really enjoyed that part of it.

Still undecided on MS, which is why I haven't been posting much about him. He's obviously lying about the midnight bike ride, but I don't know why. I lean towards covering for someone else who took care of it--because somehow the gun DID disappear, despite his fairly significant lack of resources.

I still don't believe there was a second gun, or DM's defense team would have hit that pretty hard today. (Maybe they still will.)

 

[mimimic]

Why's that?

Well I am curious about how big and intimidating he may be, but i am glad he gets to fade away from the spot light that he didn't ask for.

 

[LibTech]

Lol, she said she was riding her bicycle while talking to MS. But couldn't remember much of anything else! I think she was lying.

I'm going though the testimonies, I'm sure someone will find it before me. But im pretty sure I remeber someone saying CN talked to MM and it wasn't MS'S testimony. I could be wrong but I'll keep looking.

Yes, It was brought up during CNs cross by Dungey...

He's pointing to May 10, when Smich was to have called her. Dungey suggests that she spoke with Meneses, and not Smich.
by Adam Carter 3:02 PM

Dungey says the two got into an argument, and Noudga was yelling at Meneses about wanting to talk to Smich. Noudga denies it.
by Adam Carter 3:03

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...-45&p=12524818&highlight=Marlena#post12524818

 

[flipflop]

Quick poll: Rank who has been the most annoying or disappointing witness, cross examination to date. Please feel free to add to the list

1. SS direct by TL
2 CN cross examination by DM Defense
3. MS cross examination by NS
4. AM cross examination by TD

SS and CN are tied in my books....their lies were just way too obvious, both their testimonies were disgusting as they chose to side with a murderer instead of helping the Bosma family see justice!!!

 

[Claroon]

IMO Smich knows where the gun is. At the very least the general area. But obviously it's in his benefit to say otherwise. It's too bad because the fingerprints and experts may be able to determine a lot from that. It would be interesting to see if there would be any conclusive evidence as to who killed Tim because there could be all sorts of fingerprints on that gun IMO.

I don't think Pillay has much to fall back on. And obviously he knows he his team has to be careful not to implicate DM further.

Excuse my ignorance, but can't prints be wiped off a gun? It was in a cloth. There was little GSR. So where would all the DNA come from?

 

[brightii]

Another thing that went in MS's favour today IMO is how he called out CN as a liar which I'm sure the jury believes too, so that may work to add credibility about MS denying that he ever spoke to CN?

Also, when MS said what he'd said all along, since the early days after the crime, that he thought DM was trying to frame him, and then mentioned DM's letters proved him right, I think that may sound credible to the jury. I think DM's letters sealed his fate. This assertion by MS about being framed by DM was told by MS to BD before MS's arrest, and also what MS told MM about DM having killed TB and incinerated on his own, and that he wasn't even there, these things were said before MS would have seen disclosure regarding their police statements. I can understand how some people do have reasonable doubt about MS's guilt. I do think MS is guilty but I wonder if the jury will be convinced that he's guilty when all is said and done?

One more thing Isn't it common for criminals to suggest they've been framed? I bet that claim of having been framed happens a lot.

All MOO.

 

[Claroon]

Those have to be the 2 stupidest questions I've ever heard.

It was funny--especially the shovel being taped to the head--and it was meant to imply MS is full of bs and that his story was fiction just as these questions are. And probably to rile MS and catch him off-guard. IMO.

 

[Kamille]

Another thing that went in MS's favour today IMO is how he called out CN as a liar which I'm sure the jury believes too, so that may work to add credibility about MS denying that he ever spoke to CN?

Also, when MS said what he'd said all along, since the early days after the crime, that he thought DM was trying to frame him, and then mentioned DM's letters proved him right, I think that may sound credible to the jury. I think DM's letters sealed his fate. This assertion by MS about being framed by DM was told by MS to BD before MS's arrest, and also what MS told MM about DM having killed TB and incinerated on his own, and that he wasn't even there, these things were said before MS would have seen disclosure regarding their police statements. I can understand how some people do have reasonable doubt about MS's guilt. I do think MS is guilty but I wonder if the jury will be convinced that he's guilty when all is said and done?

One more thing Isn't it common for criminals to suggest they've been framed? I bet that claim of having been framed happens a lot.

All MOO.

Wasn't that the first suggestion that came from DM's first lawyer?

MOO

 

[canadiangirl]

It was funny--especially the shovel being taped to the head--and it was meant to imply MS is full of bs and that his story was fiction just as these questions are. And probably to rile MS and catch him off-guard. IMO.

What wasn't funny was the marshmallows and sleeping at the Bosma's IMO. Very poor taste and unnecessary

 

[mimimic]

What is unclear to me is how anyone, specifically AM and/or MS were notified that MH had the toolbox. Conceivably, only DM, CN and MH knew this. In any case, it's clear AM and MH were more than happy to rid themselves of the weed and toolbox, 1) protecting DM and 2) if MS wanted them, all the better. If I was around, as AM was, to overhear the planning of the truck theft, and then one of the guys is subsequently arrested, I'd be more than happy to dump anything illegal on the second guy, if for no other reason but to say "you deal with it".

Yeah i guess it makes no sense for MS to ask for it> they always told people to stay away and how hot they were...Why would MS ask for a smoking hot gun?

 

[Claroon]

We have a while to go but if this is the best Millard's team has got it doesn't look good for DM IMO. Interesting that the courtroom feels uncomfortable with laughs. Often times that also speaks to how the jury may be reacting to the cross too.

I wonder if DM told him what questions to ask?

 

[Claroon]

IF in fact, MS did not shoot Tim but it was DM that did, it would obviously be in MS's best interest of course to produce the gun. IF this is actually what happened, and IF he really did bury it in a haze of panic and confusion and smoking and drinking... it would seem to me he really doesn't remember where he buried it.

I think if he wanted to finally give up the location realizing it is in his best interest, he wouldn't just say idk he would say, well, I think I went this way, it was dark, I put my bike against a tree...or whatever--anything but I don't remember.