the gun that MS did not know about? it's his testimony. Let him tell the court that he didn't care about how TB felt then!? ... more thoughts?
Perhaps he felt getting close and blasting the high beams was the best way to obscure TBs view.
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the gun that MS did not know about? it's his testimony. Let him tell the court that he didn't care about how TB felt then!? ... more thoughts?
I drove past the Bosma home and past Timmy's tonight on my way home from dog training. I certainly would not say it is "right around the corner". I can't imagine anyone in the Trinity Road area walking to it, however it is easily and quickly found if you stay on the main roads and are driving. It's a no brainer really. It's a very lame excuse to say that "the friend" couldn't find Tim Horton's. That would be a huge red flag for me. I'm sure it was for Tim as well.
the gun that MS did not know about? it's his testimony. Let him tell the court that he didn't care about how TB felt then!? ... more thoughts?
The problem with this argument is that by that point Smich might not care that TB was beginning to suspect what was going on. What was TB going to do? At that point he was essentially a hostage and any resistance would have been met with Millards gun. But I agree with you in that I think the gun was pulled early and Smich was aware of it. I feel TB may have lunged for the gun at some point fearing that these guys were going to kill him anyway. I believe Smich followed closely to cover TBs plate from view. The stop at Bobcat was as Smich says, to change plates.
Isn't it just a small section of carpet removed from behind the passenger seat of the Yukon? The jeeps were race vehicles so removing the carpet makes sense, but I'll bet the carpet was still in the Caddy and every other street vehicle Millard owned.
Perhaps he felt getting close and blasting the high beams was the best way to obscure TBs view.
I remember watching some documentary on TV and criminologists were saying that a victim should be aware that if abductor indicates to the victim that they are taking them from point A to point B then any victim should interpret this as a high risk that they need to fight for their life while they can. I think that TB would have been on alert just because they came late, it was getting dark, there was two of them, one was in a hoody and seated behind him in the vehicle. It would not have taken much to put him into fight or flight. I think DM would have been very aware of this and would not have done anything to trigger TB.(Like coming up with lame plans about their friend at tim hortons being lost). TB looked fit to me and his responses would have been a lot more faster moving than two dopers like DM and MS. I do not think TB seen it coming at all. God bless TB and his family and may they get the truth and some closure around the events that led to the terrible loss they have to live with for the rest of their lives.
It is pretty hard to drive a few minutes in any direction without finding one, really.
Then MS would have seen DM shoot TB. As I recall, driving with someone since I don't drive myself, if you're close enough to the car ahead and you put your high beams on you can see into the car and see the occupants.
Perhaps he felt getting close and blasting the high beams was the best way to obscure TBs view.
Good point ... that alone should be convincing evidence DM was planning to steal it that night ..... the question is did Mark know the plates were there ahead of time .... in court he made it sound like DM first told him the plates were in the back of the Yukon when they got to Bobcat.
If I was on the jury I could possibly buy the scope-now ~ steal-later plan .... but never would believe the ~ scope-at-9:30 and steal-at-2:00 AM ~ plan they are presenting in court.
As dumb or as smart as they pretend to be , they would know the test drive a couple hours earlier would be linked to them. To winch it into a trailer next week would be plausible .... but like you say , they would not need the plates that night.
Not to mention DM had purposely got Mr Vilada to bring him the Red Ram some days earlier so he would have the plates and the VIN number..
when you're that close it would only reflect more light to the front window, no?
but i checked and the headlight beams were not on i don't believe.
I strongly believe DM and MS both knew about the gun that night. Who was carrying it is another matter altogether.
But I can't get past one simple question that seems to be the crux of this entire case.
Why was there a need for the gun at all?
If the plan was to "scope" out a truck to steal, why bring a gun, and a loaded one at that?
They had the Yukon around the corner. Why not just leave the gun in there, if they always carried?
To me, that is premeditation, no questions asked.
When it was realized TB wasn't going to be able to overpower them, it was decided he was going to be killed. MOO
ok. I think I'm following.....so you're saying that because it should only have taken 9 minutes to get to the Bosma's from the Yukon passing Supersucker and it actually took 19 minutes that you believe the video timestamp is off? And because the time stamp is off then the other Black Dodge Ram sightings (that were consistent with TB's truck, but couldn't conclusively be identified as TB's) are likely TB's truck and therefore MS was in the vehicle when TB was shot? I need to see the Bill Andrew's timeline again.....did any texts/calls come in during that time? I thought they were pinging in Ancaster earlier than 8:56pm.....MOO
ETA - Smich phones pings in Ancaster at 8:44pm. So during Plaxton's testimony how was the time stamp verified? So long ago, but I recall he said he checked it to his cellphone? So logically, we either have Plaxton incorrect about the time stamp at the SuperSucker (which does seem to line up with cell pings) OR we have other Black Dodge Ram's travelling that road? I'm not sure that there are necessarily 10 missing minutes...I see why you're saying that, but to me a lot of variables aren't being accounted for....they may have driven around to find an appropriate spot to leave the Yukon, had a cigarette, chatted about plan, lots of ways to eat up 10 minutes IMO
I'm not sure I agree. The Yukon had tinted windows IIRC and it is quite dark in the video. Doubt anyone else could be seen easily if there was someone so how close the Yukon is doesn't matter IMOBINGO !! .... I love it when people like you notice the not-so-obvious and point it out. Thank you.
I must confess you are right .... MS would want to lurk a little ways from TB and his truck ..... especially considering all the efforts of hiding the Yukon from TB when they arrived at his home .
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edit to add .... Massasauga Rattler proposed this here earlier http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...Trial-05-16-16-Day-49&p=12563753#post12563753
Doesn't matter if high beams or not. It is impossible to see into a truck behind you at night because of the lights.
So seatbelt was
Obviously off at this point! Indicating perhaps TB knew something wasn't right and at this point perhaps A struggle or argument began?
Good point ... that alone should be convincing evidence DM was planning to steal it that night ..... the question is did Mark know the plates were there ahead of time .... in court he made it sound like DM first told him the plates were in the back of the Yukon when they got to Bobcat.
If I was on the jury I could possibly buy the scope-now ~ steal-later plan .... but never would believe the ~ scope-at-9:30 and steal-at-2:00 AM ~ plan they are presenting in court.
As dumb or as smart as they pretend to be , they would know the test drive a couple hours earlier would be linked to them. To winch it into a trailer next week would be plausible .... but like you say , they would not need the plates that night.
Not to mention DM had purposely got Mr Vilada to bring him the Red Ram some days earlier so he would have the plates and the VIN number..
Hang on .... I have some more cudos for you .... I had a faint recollection that back in May 2013 someone speculated they stopped where TB's phone was found to change plates on the stolen vehicle .... I had been trying to dig it up and turns out it was you .... another BINGO ... and I reproduce your post below ... you nailed it except the phone was tossed and not fallen out.
Amazing ... I dont believe in ESP but I Do Believe you have it .... haaaa.
May 19 2013 slowsluethy posted ....
my opinion/theory about the phone is this:
one person, either DM or suspect 2, had both phones (batteries pulled) on them, where TB's phone was found is where i believe they stopped the vehicle and got out to do a plate change on TB's truck, DM's plate from his red pickup would have worked perfect, however... during the plate change, they dropped TB's phone by accident, it just fell out their pocket, then they headed to the farm... just a theory i had in my head.
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...6-May-2013-7-**ARREST**&p=9458097#post9458097