Bosma Murder Trial 05.31.16 - Day 56 - Closing Arguments Begin

[Myvice]

Could someone please refresh my memory? Was the gun that was used the one that you could get the exploding bullets for that don't exit the body? Could it be the F up was the messy bullets?

 

[Claroon]

I'm still convinced that the message "figure out BBQ situation for this week" referred to the incinerator. Here's the context from the timeline:

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Also, nobody testified that Millard ever showed any signs of distress after Bosma was murdered, and he never hinted to Noudga that things didn't go as planned. In fact, it was quite the opposite: "Gonna be an all-nighter", "Stage 1 complete", "Refreshed and ready for the next stage of mission digestion." Pillay did not address any of this. He only suggested that Meneses was lying when she said Millard had a celebratory mood in the truck the next day.

Further, if Millard was so disturbed and frustrated with Smich, I doubt he'd still be calling him "bro" as he did in the days following the murder. Their little bromance continued until Millard got arrested. Smich never became "treacherous Mark" until it was time to pin the blame on him. JMO.

IMO, Pillay has done a good job in discrediting Smich's story, but he hasn't swayed me to cast any doubt on his client's guilt.

exactly, creepy he would say ""Refreshed and ready for the next stage of mission digestion." No normal innocent person would say that.

 

[Juballee]

If it was a hold up gone wrong and no one was to get hurt, the safety should have been on the gun. It obviously wasn't.

Is it possible that a safety could be hit and knocked into the off position during a struggle?

 

[Claroon]

Pillay again says Smich wanted that Cadillac, and needed to get the truck so that Millard would give it to him.
by Adam Carter 4:26 PM

Pillay again says Smich was desperate, and brought his gun because he was broke.
by Adam Carter 4:27 PM

Millard had nothing to hide, nothing to fear, and nothing to conceal, Pillay says.
by Adam Carter 4:28 PM

come on now. Nothing to fear because he'd never been caught and spanked before. But hiding, that he did--a body, a stolen truck, an incinerator...

 

[Claroon]

I'm not a drinker.....but I'll take whatever straight up right now !

I have severe dry eye myself right now.

 

[Juballee]

That's an interesting point. Still, the argument was that he was desperate to get to Calgary in it. Which is dumb.

MM was eager to marry him, I'm sure she'd drive it for him to Calgary if that's what he wanted.

 

[Juballee]

IMHO, this was an error on the part of SC. That tweet was right in the middle of when Pillay was talking about the Tumanenko test drive.



The same spot in the tweets from MH:



SC also claims that the satchel tested positive for residue. I thought the satchel only had a blood spot on it that couldn't be tested for DNA.

I thought the same thing, it was odd to say that in the middle of talking about the IT drive, it sounded like a mix up to me.

 

[Juballee]

Look up Igors testimony. He drew it on a board.

And NOTHING magical about a marker and applying it to skin.

And yet what he drew didn't match the real tattoo. No one at court suggested the tattoo had been changed, though. It was assumed that IT got it 'close enough'.

 

[Claroon]

More importantly he was going to drive a Caddy to Calgary ... and then what? He would need to, at some point, get it registered. Not a chance of getting it registered without a proof of purchase and drivers license.

Good point. Just part of the dreaming.

 

[sleuther76]

Good point. Just part of the dreaming.

My point is that MS had absolutely no use for the caddy

 

[Kamille]

That's an interesting point. Still, the argument was that he was desperate to get to Calgary in it. Which is dumb.

Did I miss any of the attorneys asking MM if there was some kind of agreement for "them" to get the Cadillac as payment for a "mission"? I believe there was some talk that if MM got her license, DM may give them the car but I'd think if she was telling her boyfriend it was stupid to go on this mission, he'd have told her that was the only way they were going to get the car. Sounds to me like this was something discussed between MS and DM long before the new plan for "test driving and scoping" to steal a truck came into play.

Also, just as DM wanted to save on fuel costs by getting a truck with a diesel engine, how on earth could MS and MM afford to drive an old Cadillac to Calgary? Was DM also offering up one of WM's credit cards for gas?

The story seems like complete nonsense, strictly based on MS's mother's comment. But then I do not understand why MS was not embracing the fact that he said that to his mother. Why would he deny saying something that could have been completely innocent, essentially calling his own mother a liar. The fact that he didn't just say "Yes I said that to my mother because it was just one more of the many promises by DM that was not going to happen" makes me seriously wonder if there WAS an arrangement that he chose to distance himself from. Perhaps he just thought the comment was insensitive and wanted to distance himself from just the comment but if that was the case, it was a foolish move.

He should never have testified IMO.

MOO

 

[Oreck]

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Emergency! The site is not letting me post. Whenever I go to post on a page the site scrolls me to the two video ads at the end. If I use my mouse to try and move back up to the editor I get slammed back down to the videos. Disabling Shockwave, Vine, etc does not help. This morning my entire computer locked up on the site so something is up.

I have been having that trouble for days. Posted about it 2 weeks ago.
I found it was the adds from the Los Vegas Belagio hotel that was grabbing my page.
I get out of it by hitting the back arrow and then going back to that page hoping that the Belagio add isn't there.
Sometimes takes a few tries.
For this I will never go to the Belagio again.
There are much better casinos.

 

[Claroon]

Look up Igors testimony. He drew it on a board.

And NOTHING magical about a marker and applying it to skin.

I can see DM framing it as a way of underlying courage for the mission.

 

[Claroon]

Believe the Bosma family wasn't available on the weekend so they postponed until Monday. Not positive on that.

Yes this article explains it was delayed to Monday https://www.thestar.com/news/crime/...th-of-tim-bosma-set-to-begin-in-hamilton.html

The B's received the call May 4, IT and others were called May 3, IT on test drive May 5, TB May 6.

So, Mr. Pillay, if DM actually thought he could do the deed Sat. the 4th or even the 5th, that means no employees would likely have been in the hangar and his appts were several days off.

 

[Lexiintoronto]

I have been having that trouble for days. Posted about it 2 weeks ago.
I found it was the adds from the Los Vegas Belagio hotel that was grabbing my page.
I get out of it by hitting the back arrow and then going back to that page hoping that the Belagio add isn't there.
Sometimes takes a few tries.
For this I will never go to the Belagio again.
There are much better casinos.

I think most of us are having the same problem. Too bad, at the most critical time of the trial.

ETA:

From Tricia's post (thank you, Tricia):

I use Chrome and tried this and the problem was immediately fixed.

Please understand I am not a technical person at all. That's why my directions for technical issues sound just like when I give directions to anyone who is lost. I don't use tech terms. I describe everything in easy to explain landmarks.

Here goes:

Type into your address bar: chrome://plugins

Then scroll until you see "Adobe Flash Player".

Make sure where it says "Adobe Flash Player" that the blue line underneath says, "Enable". This should grey out your box and disable your Adobe Flash Player. This is where the problem originates.

If the blue line below Adobe Flash says, "Disable" then click on the word Disable and "Enable" will appear.

The blue line below Adobe Flash must say "Enable".

Then close out the screen.

This took care of the whole issue for me.

This is an Adobe Flash issue and is happening everywhere.

If you are a visitor or member and have issues please email websleuthscomments@gmail.com

Dave continues to work hard to see we are doing everything possible on our end to make sure the site runs smoothly and without interruption.

Thanks,
Tricia


I'm using chrome and disabled plug-ins. Hoping it works!

 

[Claroon]

Here's a possible explanation: They didn't specifically target Bosma. They had a plan to execute the owner of a 3500 truck. Around the end of April, Millard had some urgency to finally carry out the mission. He needed the 3500 truck as soon as possible (perhaps due to an upcoming race that he wanted to go to). He was pushing Schlatman, Jennings, et al to finish building a trailer as well.

Come the weekend of May 3, Millard was fixated on getting the mission done no matter what. He had attempted to make various preparations (such as getting the generator connected to the incinerator), but he didn't quite have everything in place. He was stressed about his cash flows, the business accounting, the property deals, the several women he was juggling, etc. He wasn't thinking straight. But he needed that 3500 right now or it would spoil his trip that he had planned.

The night of Bosma was the last chance. The truck was perfect. The circumstances seemed pretty good. It was nighttime, there weren't many people around. They could murder this guy and have the evidence cleaned up by the following day. They seized the opportunity and improvised from there.

Of course, nothing is ever as easy as one thinks it's going to be. There was way more blood than they expected. They accidentally shot out the passenger window. They were running on adrenaline and possibly stoned or high on cocaine. The generator wasn't working with the incinerator. Maybe they forgot fuel for the propane tank. Lots of unexpected things could have happened. They had to make decisions on the fly.

Excellent description.

 

[Mrs. M]

I think they put the tarp down after hosing the truck down to protect the floor from the black spray paint they used. You can see the cans lying nearby.

What did they paint black? The chrome maybe?

 

[Claroon]

They called Palmilli and Araujo on May 3. I believe Millard and Smich were thinking they could find a test drive that night and "murk" somebody. That's what the change of clothes, the tape, the gloves, the orange guy, the fireworks, and even the sausages frying were all alluding to. JMO

Yes, I agree.

 

[Claroon]

I noticed from the photographs that for a truck box that was supposedly washed out recently, The box of Tims Ram looked pretty muddy to me. That luminal could be high-lighting a long past hunting trip.

Maybe a hunter, maybe not, but just before the test drive TB was waxing the vehicle to impress. Doubt there was mud.

https://www.thestar.com/news/crime/...th-of-tim-bosma-set-to-begin-in-hamilton.html

 

[Juballee]

Just because they did a terrible job at covering everything up doesn't mean it wasn't planned imo. In MS and DM's mind they likely thought their plan was foolproof and they were invincible. Lots of murders are planned long in advance and still caught - these days with better DNA evidence and technology it's much more difficult to get away with something imo.

They planned for a year and the best they could come up with is to park next to the victims house, both walk up to the house and been seen in person by eye witnesses. Then take the victim around the block or to the highway and shot him inside the thing they wanted for a year, ruining it, and then drive back, next to the victims house with him dead in a mess, and let one guy out of the truck to follow back the other way, to stop and regroup for no reason, and then head to the farm and then back to the hanger. That's a very zig zag route to be foolproof, in my opinion.

Even the tiniest bit of planning would have called for one of them to stay in the Yukon to save from doubling back and have one less suspect be identified by eyewitnesses. The tiniest bit of planning would have put the incinerator at the hanger, or would have had the trailer waiting around the corner to drive the truck into. This whole thing smacks of a robbery that went sideways and snowballed from there, in my opinion.