Bosma Murder Trial - Weekend Discussion #10

[Georgeo]

You may be right, and you are highly persuasive, but I hope as I said in my post, in the interest of justice and after all this time MB will finally do the right thing. As a mother, I don't envy the position DM has put her in, IMO.

All MOO.

. Yes tough for her to do the right thing. Whole trial and crime is like a movie.
C

 

[Jen Darme]

Anyone else find it strange that it would be MS that gives AM his nickname? According to AM, they were not close at all.

"Contacts on the phone were found for "Dellen The Fellon [sic], Kowallski Mi Negro (a nickname for Andrew Michalski), and Marlena Menses [sic].""

http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/yg/myniggaremix.html

MOO

It doesn't strike me odd. It doesn't matter if someone is particularly liked by a group of friends, gamers, colleagues, or members of a forum, if a quip is somehow relevant and amusing, it can result in a nickname that sticks. It's the nature of inside jokes. It may have stuck primarily because it was MS, presented as being on the fringes of the group, who initially said it.

 

[Elisabeth]

I think his family set him on a course he wasn't suited for and didn't want -- and he had no alternatives of his own beyond a reported (by WM to the media) desire to start a helicopter business at 21. It wasn't just the usual overbearing "son, you're going to be a doctor/lawyer/whatever," but there was a multi-million $$ project for DM's future in the form of a new hangar. From what I've read, his father went off course in his twenties too, flying protesters to remote areas and founding a wildlife film company, while the legendary CM, following his passion, tended the business he founded until his death at 93 in 2006. Then WM, in his sixties, took the helm. Within days of WM's death, DM's actions made it clear what he thought of "his" project as he sweepingly began to dismantle it.

DM finally took control of his life and his future, disastrously so.

too bad DM didn't think to sell the business after his father's death. It sounds like most of the hard work had been done including the almighty license to provide maintenance, the highly skilled team put together, etc.

just hypothesizing...

 

[Jen Darme]

too bad DM didn't think to sell the business after his father's death. It sounds like most of the hard work had been done including the almighty license to provide maintenance, the highly skilled team put together, etc.

just hypothesizing...

Yep, or stepped back and let others run the business. Being in charge of the hangar as clubhouse and showroom was apparently too appealing to let go.

 

[Elisabeth]

I am sorry if this has been discussed and I missed it: Did any of the lawyers ask AM why he didn't (or did he) question DM's text about needing to bring in 100k a month? A few months later AM is reacting to DM stealing a truck; at that time in AM's opinion, DM didn't need to steal.

DM didn't just text the 100k and leave it. He elaborated on the fact that it would be scary work. And AM was all in.

 

[Errrr]

Yes, to us this idea of $100,000 through crime is more or less unrealistic unless he has a hefty price menu--$30,000 for murder, $50,000 for murder with cremation. $5,000 for theft of the object of your choice, add in a few fees for escorts... IMOO

The delusions of a psychopath or someone psychotic are far different. I've just come through 3 years of helping a family member with psychosis. I've been in meetings with the psychiatrist to understand it better. Psychotic delusions are when a person believes something like the mafia or CSIS or his own family members are out to get him, are following him, etc. and this person will express those thoughts, make false accusations, and even go on the run to avoid the offenders in the delusion. Unless those close to DM have seen that too, I'd put him in the category of sociopath instead. There is no effective treatment for sociopaths. MS is likely one as well. IMOO

Psychosis and psychopathy are two very different things. Psychotics are seriously out of touch with moment by moment reality. You would never be fooled by them.

 

[Errrr]

You may be right, and you are highly persuasive, but I hope as I said in my post, in the interest of justice and after all this time MB will finally do the right thing. As a mother, I don't envy the position DM has put her in, IMO.

All MOO.

I wonder if they calculate the order to put people on the stand could be for these instances? I assume witnesses are not supplied with all the evidence before they testify. If MB were put on the stand at the start I have no doubt she would have parroted DMs claims that his friends set him up. At this point in the trial there has been so much damning evidence that it is hard to see someone trying to hold on to the previous idea of DM being set up. She would be less likely to hold the original position by now, if she were to testify that is. Just an example though. I would kick myself if I were to learn the real story after supplying favourable testimony. I wonder if someone called as a defence witness is allowed to wise up before they are called? In that case, I suppose the defence just drops them from the list.

 

[mozzagirl]

The "bbq" text between MS and presumably DM has been bothering me for a few days. The defence is I guess going to deflect it as them actually talking about a real bbq with friends, like the big parties DM liked to throw.

If a real bbq is what they were really referring to, MS doesn't sound like he was a part of the entourage that partook in get togethers like parties DM threw. Never mind that, why would MS be the one to help set up for the bbq and not one of DM's roommates or close buddies. Also what in Waterloo would need to be done to prepare for it? MS was the sketchy outsider friend who hung out more with DM at the hangar than anywhere else. He didn't even spend time at DM's house to play games with others, he played online. Plus, wouldn't it have been discussed on more texts than just one quick comment?

All, MOO.

Sorry if this doesn't make sense or is jumbled, I am so exhausted.

 

[MsSherlock]

too bad DM didn't think to sell the business after his father's death. It sounds like most of the hard work had been done including the almighty license to provide maintenance, the highly skilled team put together, etc.

just hypothesizing...

IMO, DM's future plans started at least a couple of weeks before WM died. He wanted to know how much the company was worth and he went so far as to ask AS why WM should continue to fund the hangar. In other words, DM was asking AS why he should allow his father to continue funding the venture. IMHO, WM knew what he was doing-he was in it for the long haul. At that point, the only thing between WM and DM's plans was WM himself- and we know how that unfolded. Perhaps DM already owed "people" money at that point and he just couldn't get enough out of WM? MOO
BBM
"Then Dellen began asking Mr. Sharif about the value of the company and why his 71-year-old father, Wayne Millard, should continue to fund a venture whose costs already far exceeded the original estimates. “He advised [me] that the family coffers were running low and that he was very apprehensive to keep pouring money into the facility,” Mr. Sharif recounted in an email. “I went over all of the contracts that were in negotiations and the potential for 2013. We parted pleasantly.”

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/m...-bosma-murder-suspect-started-to-dismantle-it

 

[Obes99]

Psychosis and psychopathy are two very different things. Psychotics are seriously out of touch with moment by moment reality. You would never be fooled by them.

Ones a personality disorder, the other is a thought disorder....very different.


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[Errrr]

IMO, DM's future plans started at least a couple of weeks before WM died. He wanted to know how much the company was worth and he went so far as to ask AS why WM should continue to fund the hangar. In other words, DM was asking AS why he should allow his father to continue funding the venture. IMHO, WM knew what he was doing-he was in it for the long haul. At that point, the only thing between WM and DM's plans was WM himself- and we know how that unfolded. Perhaps DM already owed "people" money at that point and he just couldn't get enough out of WM? MOO
BBM
"Then Dellen began asking Mr. Sharif about the value of the company and why his 71-year-old father, Wayne Millard, should continue to fund a venture whose costs already far exceeded the original estimates. “He advised [me] that the family coffers were running low and that he was very apprehensive to keep pouring money into the facility,” Mr. Sharif recounted in an email. “I went over all of the contracts that were in negotiations and the potential for 2013. We parted pleasantly.”

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/m...-bosma-murder-suspect-started-to-dismantle-it

I suspect that WM knew that DMs lifestyle was not going to be supported by what was left from his grandfathers legacy. He was constructing a long term plan for future earnings but unfortunately depended on DMs involvement. I think DM liked things just the way they were and was not able to understand money as a finite commodity. Every investment WM made was a debt DM was going to be responsible for. I think he thought he could live on leftovers for the rest of his life, more evidence of his absent sense of business. JMO

 

[Abitcountry]

. Yes tough for her to do the right thing. Whole trial and crime is like a movie.
C

Her brother had no trouble .......

 

[Inspector_North]

If the plan to steal a truck included murder, May was possibly good timing to do it for DM. We know that DM, AM and SS planned to try their hand at improving their record of being "losers of the loser class". They were planning to be at the 2013 Baja, which meant they would be leaving later that same month. Therefore being out of the country with the new truck for an extended period. Most likely the trail would have cooled down on their return.

http://www.lfpress.com/2016/04/14/p...e-of-tim-bosmas-accused-killer-dellen-millard

I don't buy it that DM was in a rush like AM said. He texted LW_2 that he had been "Working on trading one of my gas trucks for a diesel." for around a year.

From DM's defense team, we learn that DM planned carefully.
From TD and crown, we learned DM does not turn down an opportunity. Was May the only time in the past 10-12 months that the opportunity presented itself to test drive a Dodge diesel truck? And twice, possibly tree times? He drives around looking for equipment that is prime for the picking. He even considered timing when he said the Lawnmowers would be a possible go in the Spring.

Did he go on any other test drives before the one with IT on May 5th? Or was May the prime time for a theft that included a murder?

Just another speculation that may help make the premeditated pieces fit.

MOO

 

[Inspector_North]

I can't find any hard evidence that AM was not in support of DM stealing a truck. Every time he responds to DM, it is with positive encouragement of his ideas. And the same goes for AM's claim that he was being bossed/bullied by MS after DM was arrested. All his texts to DM and MS suggest the opposite, or at least not so polarized as AM claims.

I realize that he provided some very damaging testimony against both accused. But I believe he could have sealed the life sentence if he would have told everything he knew. MOO

 

[etrain]

So reading through some of this, it seems that the cops cannot bring in conversations they had with their cell phones. So these guys using texts, screwed themselves in a sense, thinking they were being smarter than the cops

 

[etrain]

does anyone think that MB will be testifying as a hostile witness this week...one reason why she has not been in court

 

[Stratocaster]

I was driving to work the other morning on the highway, and I slowly came up on a car that I was going to pass. On the back of this gentleman's car was nice big 'Tim's tribute' bumper sticker. Gave him the thumbs up as I passed him.

 

[mozzagirl]

does anyone think that MB will be testifying as a hostile witness this week...one reason why she has not been in court

I don't think she is going to be a witness for the Crown. An article about DM written after his arrest included an interview with him and in it he said his mom visited him many times in prison. If she was a Crown witness she would be on a do not contact order with DM and not be able to visit.

If she testifies I'm sure it will be for DM's defence.

 

[musicaljoke]

If the plan to steal a truck included murder, May was possibly good timing to do it for DM. We know that DM, AM and SS planned to try their hand at improving their record of being "losers of the loser class". They were planning to be at the 2013 Baja, which meant they would be leaving later that same month. Therefore being out of the country with the new truck for an extended period. Most likely the trail would have cooled down on their return.

http://www.lfpress.com/2016/04/14/p...e-of-tim-bosmas-accused-killer-dellen-millard

I don't buy it that DM was in a rush like AM said. He texted LW_2 that he had been "Working on trading one of my gas trucks for a diesel." for around a year.

From DM's defense team, we learn that DM planned carefully.
From TD and crown, we learned DM does not turn down an opportunity. Was May the only time in the past 10-12 months that the opportunity presented itself to test drive a Dodge diesel truck? And twice, possibly tree times? He drives around looking for equipment that is prime for the picking. He even considered timing when he said the Lawnmowers would be a possible go in the Spring.

Did he go on any other test drives before the one with IT on May 5th? Or was May the prime time for a theft that included a murder?

Just another speculation that may help make the premeditated pieces fit.

MOO

By early May, the snow would be gone and the fields dried up, an important consideration if you didn't want equipment to leave ruts or get stuck. You can't easily get equipment out of the barn when there are snow banks in the way.

 

[etrain]

I don't think she is going to be a witness for the Crown. An article about DM written after his arrest included an interview with him and in it he said his mom visited him many times in prison. If she was a Crown witness she would be on a do not contact order with DM and not be able to visit.

If she testifies I'm sure it will be for DM's defence.

would that be a reason she (MB) has not been in court?