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[Buzz Mills]

Karr's email address is date of JonBenet death

By Ann Imse, Rocky Mountain News
August 21, 2006
The email address that helped track down John Mark Karr in Thailand was December251996@yahoo.com — the date of her murder.
Those e-mails to Boulder journalism professor Michael Tracy included a now-infamous request that Tracy stand at JonBenet’s house on the anniversary of her death and say aloud a poem to "JonBenet, my love." They came from that address and were signed "Daxis," according to information given to Thai authorities by U.S. officials seeking their help in finding and arresting him.

Gen. Suwat Tumrongsiskul of the Thai Immigration Police said Karr told him Daxis was simply a word he invented.

The search for the man now accused of JonBenet’s murder began when Tracy sent e-mails from Daxis to independent investigators in Colorado Springs. When the e-mails reached the Boulder District Attorney’s office, prosecutors found enough in them to warrant a serious look at Karr as JonBenet’s killer.

What happened next indicates there may have been enough detail in the e-mails to make Boulder officials believe they had their man.

The tracking of John Mark Karr began a couple of months ago, Tumrongsiskul said.

"We were informed by ICE (U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement) that the suspect of this case has come to Thailand," said Tumrongsiskul. He added that ICE didn’t know the man’s name at that point, and had just an e-mail address, his Internet Provider, and therefore the neighborhood of Bangkok where he’d been e-mailing.

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/local/article/0,1299,DRMN_15_4933325,00.html

 

[Buzz Mills]

Hard landing for Ramsey murder suspect By LINDA DEUTSCH, AP Special Correspondent
3 minutes ago



LOS ANGELES - Wining and dining at 35,000 feet gave way Monday to a cramped jail cell, a metal cot and baloney sandwiches as John Mark Karr awaited a hearing to determine when he will be sent to Colorado to face charges in the slaying of 6-year-old JonBenet Ramsey.

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Karr, who was brought back to the United States late Sunday night on a 15-hour business-class flight from Thailand, was immediately locked up in a high-security jail cell to await an extradition hearing Tuesday morning.

Karr may waive extradition and agree to go immediately to Colorado, but if he decides to fight the move, prosecutors say it could take a few days before he is cleared to go.

"What we're really focusing on is getting him back to Colorado and getting through that first appearance and going from there," said Boulder County district attorney's spokeswoman Carolyn French.

Colorado's warrant has remained sealed, and little is publicly known about what evidence Boulder officials may have on Karr. The 41-year-old teacher has told reporters he was with JonBenet when she died in the basement of her Boulder home on Dec. 26, 1996, and it was an accident.

French would not comment on whether Karr gave up any more information about the case during the long flight from Bangkok, on which he was served courses of fried king prawns, roast duck, champagne, beer and wine.

Karr, who was not handcuffed or in custody during the flight, was seen chatting, and even clinking glasses, with Boulder district attorney's investigator Mark Spray, who took notes.

Spray, who formally arrested Karr as part of the extradition process, had to rush back to Colorado for a family emergency Monday, said Los Angeles County district attorney's spokeswoman Sandi Gibbons.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060821/ap_on_re_us/jonbenet_ramsey

 

[panthera]

Frontier Airlines
Flight 407 7:10pm Los Angeles, CA (LAX) 10:20pm Denver, CO (DEN) 2hrs 10min - Nonstop

United
Flight 372 6:22pm Los Angeles, CA (LAX) 9:42pm Denver, CO (DEN) 2hrs 20min - Nonstop

United
Flight 304 8:12pm Los Angeles, CA (LAX) 11:29pm Denver, CO (DEN) 2hrs 17min - Nonstop

American Airlines
Flight 1490 7:09pm Los Angeles, CA (LAX) 10:24pm Denver, CO (DEN) 2hrs

Alaska Airlines
Flight 1853 operated by American Airlines 7:09pm Los Angeles, CA (LAX) 10:24pm Denver, CO (DEN) 2hrs 15min - Nonstop

US Airways
Flight 6246 operated by United 6:22pm Los Angeles, CA (LAX) 9:42pm Denver, CO (DEN) 2hrs 20min - Nonstop

US Airways
Flight 6247 operated by United 8:12pm Los Angeles, CA (LAX) 11:29pm Denver, CO (DEN) 2hrs 17min - Nonstop

All of those flights departed before Thai Airways #TG794 arrived at LAX. I'm assuming that's the point you're trying to make!

 

[Buzz Mills]

All of those flights departed before Thai Airways #TG794 arrived at LAX. I'm assuming that's the point you're trying to make!

These are tonight's Flights

 

[JBean]

--->>>Very interesting. As tiny as he is would Chardonnay, a beer and after din din wine, make him inebriated-ish, and creat a dif defense?

So far I have only seen and heard him say, "I was with JonBenet when she died, it was an accident."

Plus no comment to other more pressing Q's. He did say it was too complicated to explain quickly.

So as with Nixon, what does he know and HOW Did he know 'it'?

He did not say HE DID 'IT'.Correct me if I have erred or missed him saying it.

The more current TV shots of him, his eyes now look like someone is home, and there is a light on in there. Hmmm.

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HI camper..his confession was not made to media.. He was on the radar for confessing before he had cameras in his face. At this point in time we do not know what the officials in CO consider to be his confession.
His remarks to media were just an added hyping bonus.

 

[Camper]

Interesting link Buzzml, http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060821...jonbenet_ramsey, thank you.

Ya think Spray really had a 'family' emergency?

Gov Owens was so bent on R guilt, and has to sign the extradition paper/s, hmmm.

.

 

[JBean]

http://www.nationalenquirer.com/jonbenet/

Ooh this is the one scandi was talking about..thank you

 

[Buzz Mills]

Interesting link Buzzml, http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060821...jonbenet_ramsey, thank you.

Ya think Spray really had a 'family' emergency?

Gov Owens was so bent on R guilt, and has to sign the extradition paper/s, hmmm.

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Colorado Gov. Bill Owens could be brought back into the case if he makes a formal request to California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger to extradite Karr.

In the late 1990s, Owens accused JonBenet's parents, John and Patsy, of "hiding behind their lawyers" and failing to cooperate fully with investigators.

"If they're innocent, they're sure not acting like they are," he said on a radio talk show in October 1999.

The following month, as the Ramseys began a publicity tour for their book "Death of Innocence," Owens urged the couple to return to Colorado and help with the investigation "no matter where that trail may lead."

Owens' role is an "interesting irony," considering his earlier statements on the case, said former prosecutor Craig Silverman, who has followed the case.

Owens "is going to have to certify his belief that John Mark Karr was present in Colorado at the time of the commission of the alleged crime and that thereafter he fled from the state," Silverman said.

"Normally that's a no-brainer for a governor; he just relies on the prosecutor and frankly doesn't investigate on his own. But Bill Owens has a history with this case," Silverman added. "I would be shocked if Gov. Owens did anything to stand in the way of a speedy extradition."

 

[panthera]

These are tonight's Flights

OK, maybe the same as last night also!! Doesn't he have an extradition hearing in the morning? Isn't it also possible that he could fight extradition since CO has the DP, and this would be a DP eligible crime(s)?

 

[lostfaith]

http://www.nationalenquirer.com/jonbenet/

Thanx for that link!



He sure looked like any normal Joe in that video. What the h*ll happened to him??

 

[panthera]

Colorado Gov. Bill Owens could be brought back into the case if he makes a formal request to California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger to extradite Karr.



Owens "is going to have to certify his belief that John Mark Karr was present in Colorado at the time of the commission of the alleged crime and that thereafter he fled from the state," Silverman said.

"Normally that's a no-brainer for a governor; he just relies on the prosecutor and frankly doesn't investigate on his own. But Bill Owens has a history with this case,"

This case just gets more involved by the minute. I certainly hope the Boulder DA has some very good evidence connecting JMK with the murder.

 

[dragonfly707]

But what I am saying is :
the arresting agency is CO. Is the only reason he has to go through extradition is because there was not a direct flight to CO? If he had landed in New York, would they have been able to hold him? he is not wanted there on any charges, so could they arrest him?
Did he have to come here so he could be arrested and then open the door for extradition?
CO had as much right to take him out of Thailand as CA did...see what I mean? If there had been a direct flight to CO last night could he have gone straight there and avoided the extradition from state to state?I think that is what Stan was saying?

JBean I missed this earlier but got it now. Thanks, and yes I think you are right about the above.

 

[JBean]

JBean I missed this earlier but got it now. Thanks, and yes I think you are right about the above.

Oh NOW you come and rescue me.. lol
I do have it now though. he absoultely could have gone straight to CO.

 

[close_enough]

This case just gets more involved by the minute. I certainly hope the Boulder DA has some very good evidence connecting JMK with the murder.

yes, it sure does....

 

[JBean]

It isn't as simple as whether he was "officially arrested" or not. Was he free to get up and leave? Not really. If his "escort" interrogated him at 30,000 feet, he still has a shot at a Miranda case. Especially if he was required to stay with the escort. Being "in custody" is what counts - not necessarily under arrest.

Also, being entitled to a court-appointed attorney is a totally separate issue from being free from self-incrimination. The Miranda warning includes both, but they are separate rights and there are separate tests that the courts use to determine whether those rights have been violated. Everybody is always entitled to have an attorney when they are questioned by police. The "right to an attorney" really means "the right to have a public defender if you can't afford a private lawyer and you are in deep trouble and probably ought to have one."

Hey LM they discussed this again on KFI. they said he abslutely was "not in custody", he was not cuffed, was free to roam around and would have been free to go if he had a parachute I guess.
His conversations were probably being recorded.
Anyway, I am not a lawyer but, even I see the problems that you mention.

 

[sandraladeda]

A Question -

In light of JMK's notoriety, no matter who has arrested him, woudn't it be incumbent upon the local authorities wherever his plane lands to take care of his personal safety until he is delivered to the state in which the charges actually originate? By taking JMK into custody, the LA county law enforcement is ensuring that no harm can befall JMK before he is sent on to Co.? Otherwise, he could easily be a target for vigilante justice, so he couldn't exactly be set loose to go check in at the nearest HoJo's, could he?

 

[panthera]

yes, it sure does....

So many of these little details I'd completely just not thought about for a few years, and now remembering stuff like the teddy bear, the broken window, pineapple, all the possible interpretations of the ransom note, etc. ~ and now the governor!!
:doh:

 

[wenchie]

It doesn't seem right that a video of the Karr kids should be out there like that.

They didn't ask for this.

 

[JBean]

It doesn't seem right that a video of the Karr kids should be out there like that.

They didn't ask for this.

I haven't seen it yet Wenchie..so a family member had to have sold him out? or would it just be good friends?

 

[close_enough]

So many of these little details I'd completely just not thought about for a few years, and now remembering stuff like the teddy bear, the broken window, pineapple, all the possible interpretations of the ransom note, etc. ~ and now the governor!!
:doh:

lol...i know exactly what you mean, panthera!..it's blowin my mind too :doh: