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PreciousDust said:
It's one thing to arrest johns who are arrested when consorting with actual prostitutes; they've broken the law and that's the way it goes. But stings, where officers dress up as prostitutes and lure the dummies in to arrest them - that's just wrong. It's the police creating an atmosphere to facilitate criminal activity; great for their quotas, I'm sure.
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The first contact is made by the john. That eliminates "lure" from the equation.
 
deedee21 said:
The first contact is made by the john. That eliminates "lure" from the equation.
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The NCPD placed online ads on Backpage.com advertising escort services provided by both women and men.
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Unless the escort services advertised were for keeping an eye on a group of schoolchildren on their museum field trip, I'd say that those ads were the lure.
 
sex trafficking brings in billions of dollars per year. sex trafficking is a violent crime.


how do you know it is the prostitute placing the ad on craig's list or backpage? its the pimp placing the ad.

prostitution is a deadly business.

these 104 johns are just lucky that the TRAFFICKING VICTIMS PROTECTION AND JUSTICE ACT had not been revised when they were all arrested. It is being voted upon by the Assembly in June... one of the loopholes being revised is that the charge for soliciting a girl (under 18) for prostitution will be changed to RAPE. yup - RAPE. which is what it is.

sex trafficking is a deadly business.

if you want to help the children being trafficked.
then SIGN the petition today....

http://www.getontheagenda.com/letters/TLetter


The Trafficking Victims Protection and Justice Act (A.2240) will increase protection for victims, ensure that those who buy sex from children face the same penalties as those who commit statutory rape, ensure victims receive service and shelter and recognize sex trafficking as a violent crime, among other provisions.

"We have to help them [the victims] get out of this entrapment, we have to provide them with services and tools, we have to give law enforcement the tools and that's what this bill is going to do," said Assemblywoman Amy Paulin, D-Scarsdale, a long-time supporter of anti-trafficking laws and Assembly sponsor for the bill.
 
At Governor Cuomo's Women's Equality Act Event yesterday in Albany.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=FDHL5j2m5jo


Listen to Brianna's story of being kidnapped and trafficked by her SCHOOL JANITOR WHEN SHE WAS NINE YEARS OLD. Listen to her telling the story of how her pimps exploited her and sold her on back page.com.

She was kept in a house with no bathroom and no electricity. She escaped but was exploited and traumatized by yet another pimp. Eventually she escaped and was arrested as a prostitute, even tho she was a child.

Pimps ONLY victimize the girls selling these girls to child rapists.

SEND A MESSAGE THAT NEW YORK STATE DOES NOT STAND FOR THIS CRIME.

Sign the petition....MAKE it LAW...that men get charged with RAPE for having sex with a child that has been trafficked (and yes folks - THAT is a LOT of the girls on craig'slist and backpage.)

sign the petition and have all your friends in new york state sign it.
NOTHING is more important than cutting down the trafficking of girls by at least 50 percent in the next year!!!!!!! NOTHING.

http://www.getontheagenda.com/letters/TLetter
 
PreciousDust said:
We know, from the article I was talking about, that it was the police placing the ad (that's why it's called a "sting").
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i was referring to reality
in the real world

its not coppers placing an ad for a fake prostitute
to do a sting.

in the real world
prostitutes are subjected to tremendous violence purpetrated against
their person. the pimps place the ads, keep the money - beat the women senselessly

psychologically traumatize them.

even if the girls escape "the life"
their BRAIN has been traumatized and the adrenals, cortacoids, opiates are all releasing stress hormones for the rest of their life.

the brain waves have been subjected to extreme dysfunction in its optimum capability to perform an exemplary life UNLESS these girls get the professional social services that could potentially help them heal from this tremendous ptsd and other extremely harmful life threatening behaviors to them from the pimps.

a lot of these girls turn to drink alcohol or drugs to mitigate the horrendous reality and to numb the pain. These girls are suffering tremendous ptsd from these pimps.
 
Kudos to DA Rice for arresting the Exploiters, the "Johns". Those arrested intentionally set out looking to BUY sex by searching specifically in an area that advertises sexual gratification services. They weren't shopping for flowers for their beloved mother, wife or daughter.These are individuals who have no respect for women & satisfy themselves by exploiting women sexually.

They are guilty as charged! Their plea of Not Guilty is mandatory in all arraignments regardless of the charges. Shaming the family by naming the perps? They committed a crime! They shamed their family by seeking to BUY women! It is a form of slavery!

"The Internet has become the latest place for promoting the global trafficking & sexual exploitation of women. This global communication network is being used to promote & engage in the buying & selling of women & children."

*Arrest the "Johns", not the exploited!


http://action.web.ca/home/catw/read...A_EX_Session=83195780932a49d359e53b02c2520fdf
 
I invite you to read some professional materials.

Observe - the brain and trauma slide.

Observe the slide that states that 40% of girls and 30% of boys that become prostitutes were sexually abused in their HOME.

the amygdala is the section of the brain that holds fight or flight.

When you are subjected to trauma as a child...your brain REMEMBERS and HOLDS the memories of that trauma.... in your hormones!!!

http://www.goccp.maryland.gov/victim/documents/human-trafficking/presentations/TICHTS.pdf

the slides in the presentation are extremely informative.

the only thing missing is information on stockholm syndrome -
which all the girls experience after even a short duration of violence to them from their pimp.
 
To Kill a Mockingbird said:
i was referring to reality
in the real world
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Sorry, I thought you were talking about my comment about the police placing the sting ads that resulted in the arrests of those 104 people. I guess I thought that because you referred to the 104 people in your post; again,(and in the real world), this is in my opinion no way for law enforcement to be conducted. It's like leaving the door swung wide open at the department store, putting up a sign that says "No employees today but come on in and look around, just don't steal anything", and then arresting everyone who does. Leave money around, create a thief. So I'm talking about the ethics of stings, not about how bad prostitution is, not whether the johns are bad people.
 
PreciousDust said:
Sorry, I thought you were talking about my comment about the police placing the sting ads that resulted in the arrests of those 104 people. I guess I thought that because you referred to the 104 people in your post; again,(and in the real world), this is in my opinion no way for law enforcement to be conducted. It's like leaving the door swung wide open at the department store, putting up a sign that says "No employees today but come on in and look around, just don't steal anything", and then arresting everyone who does. Leave money around, create a thief. So I'm talking about the ethics of stings, not about how bad prostitution is, not whether the johns are bad people.
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Only those that conducted that "sting" know their reasons for doing it.
What their actual goals were in setting up the "sting".
And if those goals were accomplished....(like...were they testing the waters?
was their goal to nab 100? and stop there? are they looking for a specific "john"?)
who knows, right?

Were they trying to raise revenue to pay for some of the damage Hurricane Sandy caused
to pay for things at Jones Beach? (or sundry expenses in the county?)

?? who knows...why they executed the "sting" - but execute it - they did.
and nab 100 "johns" they did.

What happens now.... we will all read.....cuz someone will most definitely link the results
of the case when it goes to court.
 
To Kill a Mockingbird said:
Only those that conducted that "sting" know their reasons for doing it.
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I guess, though I'm entitled to an opinion about it, which is that like most stings, the police wanted a bunch of collars but didn't want to do all the hard work involved in busting pimps, prostitutes and johns. So they just set up their own shop and dressed a couple of policewomen like prostitutes. And, for me, that's the police going one step too far.

The # of collars is what keeps the department going (I haven't talked to Hawkshaw about this, but I'll bet he agrees). There's a very famous case of a guy named Adrian Schoolcraft - everyone should know about it, and the wiki on it is linked below. As a New York City officer, he secretly taped his superiors demanding from the patrolmen a certain number of various tickets per week, along the lines of "three seatbelts, two cell phones, five other". And also, during street festivals, orders to "just arrest any group of more than two people" (no probable cause, nothing), the idea being to bring as many people in as possible to the stationhouse to check on outstanding warrants, or search them for drugs, etc. Eventually, the police figured out that Schoolcraft wasn't playing along, and they tried to get him declared a psych case, even shackling him to a bed in a mental hospital for a week. But he had the last laugh - his expose' wound up getting a whole lot of bad cops (and big bad cops) fired. He's got a big lawsuit going, and I hope he wins. Cops can and do commit plenty of their own crimes in the name of "pursuing justice".

[ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adrian_Schoolcraft"]Adrian Schoolcraft - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]
 
PreciousDust said:
I guess, though I'm entitled to an opinion about it, which is that like most stings, the police wanted a bunch of collars but didn't want to do all the hard work involved in busting pimps, prostitutes and johns. So they just set up their own shop and dressed a couple of policewomen like prostitutes. And, for me, that's the police going one step too far.

The # of collars is what keeps the department going (I haven't talked to Hawkshaw about this, but I'll bet he agrees). There's a very famous case of a guy named Adrian Schoolcraft - everyone should know about it, and the wiki on it is linked below. As a New York City officer, he secretly taped his superiors demanding from the patrolmen a certain number of various tickets per week, along the lines of "three seatbelts, two cell phones, five other". And also, during street festivals, orders to "just arrest any group of more than two people" (no probable cause, nothing), the idea being to bring as many people in as possible to the stationhouse to check on outstanding warrants, or search them for drugs, etc. Eventually, the police figured out that Schoolcraft wasn't playing along, and they tried to get him declared a psych case, even shackling him to a bed in a mental hospital for a week. But he had the last laugh - his expose' wound up getting a whole lot of bad cops (and big bad cops) fired. He's got a big lawsuit going, and I hope he wins. Cops can and do commit plenty of their own crimes in the name of "pursuing justice".

Adrian Schoolcraft - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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thank you for that link on schoolcraft.

here is the village voice interview with him....IT WAS VERY VERY VERY PROFOUND!!!

http://www.villagevoice.com/2010-06-15/news/adrian-school-craft-nypd-tapes-whistleblower/


here is a link to the interview of Pedro Serrano...
who's in the spotlight regarding...taping his superior's
about this stop and frisk in nyc....

http://nymag.com/news/features/pedro-serrano-2013-5/

it will be very interesting to see what Manhattan Federal Court Judge Shira Scheindlin decides!!!!!

It will also be very interesting IF...Christine Quinn becomes NYC Mayor and IF SHE DOES institute a Inspector General for the NYPD.

wowsa.

i'd love to hear what you think of this article....and/or hawkshaw.
 
PreciousDust said:
It's one thing to arrest johns who are arrested when consorting with actual prostitutes; they've broken the law and that's the way it goes. But stings, where officers dress up as prostitutes and lure the dummies in to arrest them - that's just wrong. It's the police creating an atmosphere to facilitate criminal activity; great for their quotas, I'm sure.
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Unfortunately the "system" is not going to change for the better, by having 104 "johns" arrested for soliciting prostitutes.

therefore, again, i raise the question, what was the intention set forth by the Nassau District Attorney's office to execute this action?

the only way to change "the system" is.....
by........

ummmmmm........

well...........

err............

uhhhhhhhhhh

HOW DO YOU ACTUALLY CHANGE a system of girls being prostituted
either by themselves, or by pimps or traffickers.....

when it is over a BILLION DOLLARS ANNUALLY? for the perpetrators to benefit?????

money = power.

people get KILLED in this business.....

so how do you change the system?????
 
oh my god

Ray Kelly definitely reads the news...

Nassau District Attorney nabbed 104 johns in one month
and Ray Kelly has NYPD bust ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY johns in THREE DAYS. oh my god.

wow. these guys are so lucky that the law has not changed as of today. But by the end of the month!!!!!! its going to be a lot tougher on johns.


Cops catch more than 150 johns during three-day sting
By JESSICA SIMEONE

The NYPD nabbed more than 150 johns in a citywide sting targeting people paying for prostitutes, police said.

The three day “Losing Proposition” initiative took place between May 30 and June 1, during which time cops arrested 156 people for patronizing a prostitute and seized 32 vehicles in addition to making nine other arrests for various offenses, police said.

“The department is focusing on the demand side of the equation. The exploitation of women is not a victimless crime,” top cop Ray Kelly said.

Since 2011, "Losing Proposition" initiative has resulted in more than 900 arrests for people patronizing prostitutes and cops have seized more than 220 vehicles.

In addition to expanding this initiative, Kelly has added a Human Trafficking Squad to “identify and arrest individuals engaged in wholesale trafficking of human beings for the purpose of prostitution.”

Last month cops busted a 35-year-old Harlem man for sex trafficking and promoting prostitution, police said. He was keeping three women, one a missing 17-year-old from Connecticut, in an East Harlem housing project.

Those arrested for paying adult prostitutes for sex face up to one year in jail, while promoters of prostitution, face up to 25 years behind bars, according to the NYPD.
 
Well reading some of the news articles on the 104 Johns caught up in the sting. I found myself getting a bit annoyed with people bashing LE for publicly embarrassing the wifes and children of these men. Don't get me wrong it's a shame these innocent people who had no idea are being caught up in it. But how ever the blame shouldn't be on LE it should be on the men who did this. They are the ones who did this to their families. I know no one is talking about that on here or anything but I just had to share that.
I'm happy LE did this maybe something will come of it with the GB4 or the others that were found.
 
Almost all localities either post the names of people arrested, for everything from misdemeanors to felonies, in police reports or the local newspapers. So, it is no different for guys and women arrested for either promoting or soliciting prostitution. People need to remember if they get arrested for anything their name will end up in the public record.
 
This is my first post, but saw this in local news today, newsday.com, maybe interesting to the case:

http://www.newsday.com/long-island/...ilated-woman-who-died-in-his-garage-1.5425086

A Port Jefferson Station man said he panicked one night after a woman he had just met tripped on some 50-pound dumbbells in his garage, hit her head and died, and that's why he mutilated her and took her body on the ferry to Connecticut, where he set it on fire, a detective testified Thursday in state Supreme Court.

However, Evans Ganthier denied stabbing Rebecca Koster the night of Dec. 13, 2009, Det. Philip Frendo testified at a pre-trial hearing before Justice Richard Ambro to determine the admissibility at trial of statements Ganthier made.

Ganthier, 33, is charged with second-degree murder in the death of Koster, of Copiague.

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During questioning by Assistant District Attorney Janet Albertson, Frendo said Ganthier initially couldn't recall the last time he'd been at Butcher Boys Bar & Grill in Holbrook. But when Frendo said he told Ganthier they had video of him there that night, he acknowledged meeting Koster there, but resisted saying what happened later.

"If I told you what happened, you wouldn't believe me," Ganthier said, according to Frendo.

Frendo told him to go ahead, and Ganthier said he drove Koster to his home in his mother's Mercedes-Benz sport utility vehicle. She started to gag on the way there, so he brought her in to get her some water, he said according to Frendo.

After she tripped on the dumbbells, Ganthier put her back in the truck to take her to John T. Mather Memorial Hospital in Port Jefferson, but she died before they got there, Frendo said Ganthier told him.

That's when he said he panicked. He said he cut off her hair, fingertips, toes, nose and two tattoos from from her body so she wouldn't be identified, wrapped her in plastic and a photo backdrop, took her on the ferry from Port Jefferson and found a motel just off Interstate 95, Frendo said.

Frendo said Ganthier first told him the mutilation took place in his garage, but later said he did it in Connecticut. He said he scattered the body parts he cut off across southern Connecticut.

He rested until dark and found a spot in North Stonington where he dumped the body and poured gasoline on it, he said, according to Frendo. "Then he lit Rebecca on fire and drove away," Frendo said. When her phone got text messages from her family, he posed as her and said she was being held captive by her boyfriend, Frendo said.

"He said he knows that it looks bad," Frendo said. "He stated that his girl-chasing days finally caught up with him."

But Frendo said he denied stabbing her, saying he had no reason to do it.

The hearing continues Friday. Defense attorney William Keahon said he looked forward to cross-examining Frendo.
 
PreciousDust said:
We know, from the article I was talking about, that it was the police placing the ad (that's why it's called a "sting").
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As far as these men were concerned, they were not answering an add put on craigslist by a police officer. The police dept should do this more often. Men should be afraid to answer these adds. The lives of HUMAN BEINGS are more important than anything. Thousands are forced into prostitution every year. This needs to stop. Pictures and the names of johns are nothing in comparison to what the victims have to endure.
 
To Kill a Mockingbird said:
Unfortunately the "system" is not going to change for the better, by having 104 "johns" arrested for soliciting prostitutes.

therefore, again, i raise the question, what was the intention set forth by the Nassau District Attorney's office to execute this action?

the only way to change "the system" is.....
by........

ummmmmm........

well...........

err............

uhhhhhhhhhh

HOW DO YOU ACTUALLY CHANGE a system of girls being prostituted
either by themselves, or by pimps or traffickers.....

when it is over a BILLION DOLLARS ANNUALLY? for the perpetrators to benefit?????

money = power.

people get KILLED in this business.....

so how do you change the system?????
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“The brutal sex trafficking industry, which preys on and victimizes New York City’s most vulnerable women, men and children, is fueled by prostitution patronizers, who believe that they can buy the bodies of people in prostitution with impunity,” said Dorchen Leidholdt, director of the Sanctuary for Families’ Center for Battered Women’s Legal Services. “Attacking the demand for prostitution is the best way to prevent and curtail trafficking in our city.”

quote taken from.... article found at..... http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york...ive-bust-week-article-1.1365548#ixzz2VUYmKQPO
 
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