Brendan Dassey's Habeas Corpus Petition Granted

[Karinna]

Who else should have been "investigated" that wasn't?

In any investigation, they follow the evidence. They don't just select random people. In this particular case it led straight to SA.

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Yeah probably in most investigations they do that, but in this case not so much, IMO. They knew who they wanted to nail.

 

[Limaes]

Yeah probably in most investigations they do that, but in this case not so much, IMO. They knew who they wanted to nail.

What makes you say that? Just out of curiosity.

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[Karinna]

Doesn't matter how many times someone has watched the show. Whether you have watched it once or a thousand times, it only takes one time to plant the seed.

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The producers of MaM have said it wasn't to prove guilt or innocence, but to show how inept the judicial system is.

 

[Limaes]

Right. That's why they left out relevant details.

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[Karinna]

What makes you say that? Just out of curiosity.

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Because to me its an obvious stitch up. Just think SA had just got out of prison after the last stitch up a couple years before. He was going through litigation in the civil court to gain quite a substantial amount of money in the very near future for that wrongful conviction. Why on god's green earth would he screw all that up and murder someone plus leave evidence of himself in his own home/yard to get caught. Doesn't make any logical sense. And why kill TH who did business with him to sell his vehicles?

 

[Karinna]

Right. That's why they left out relevant deatails.

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Details of what?

 

[Karinna]

Hi Karinna,
I know that corruption exists, but in this particular case, I just see some bumbling by investigators and nothing more. Don't forget, everyone on the Avery Salvage Yard was interviewed. As for the phone calls Teresa was receiving? Well, there is no concrete proof that any number were giving her grief. Given she was visiting 3/4/5 properties a day in her job, I would agree that the multiples of people that could be investigated, would outweigh those that actually were.

In other cases? Well yes, Detective 101 is to look at the Ex, the immediate family, persons known to her etc. However, Avery falls into the 'Persons Known To Her.' So what we have here is Detective 101 - proving Occams Razor.

Avery made this easy to be pinned on him, by actually committing the crime and getting caught for it. But for him crushing the Rav4 & disposing of it, ensuring the cremains were never found & silencing the person he probably coerced into the crime with him, he would definitely be sitting on an Island with a great deal of cash beneath him. (I don't buy the $36m settlement, it would have been less.)

If there is any other evidence that someone else other than Avery & Dassey committed this crime, then I would ask to see it. As for people wanting to pin it on them? How obvious would that have looked and how water tight the evidence would have needed to be.

It was good enough to convict beyond a reasonable doubt. I am afraid people need to embrace this.

Nice debating with you though.

Well sorry to break it to you, but lots of peeps out there aren't embracing this at all especially the Innocence Project & the Attorney's involved.
And nice debating with you too Hoosen,

 

[Limaes]

Details of what?

They suspiciously left out evidence pointing to SA.

- him calling and requesting her specifically that morning
- the other 3 times he phoned her that day
- that her personal belongings were found in the burn barrel
- his DNA being found on the hood latch of the RAV 4


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[Karinna]

They suspiciously left out evidence pointing to SA.

- him calling and requesting her specifically that morning
- the other 3 times he phoned her that day
- that her personal belongings were found in the burn barrel
- his DNA being found on the hood latch of the RAV 4


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Thanks for your reply.

 

[Limaes]

Because to me its an obvious stitch up. Just think SA had just got out of prison after the last stitch up a couple years before. He was going through litigation in the civil court to gain quite a substantial amount of money in the very near future for that wrongful conviction. Why on god's green earth would he screw all that up and murder someone plus leave evidence of himself in his own home/yard to get caught. Doesn't make any logical sense. And why kill TH who did business with him to sell his vehicles?

Some people are just pure evil Karinna, and they have no remorse. In this case the evidence points to SA being the evil one. Some believe because he had filed a lawsuit against MTSO, he felt untouchable and mistakenly believed they wouldn't dare look at him as a suspect.

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[Karinna]

IIRC it was her colleague that said her phone rang one time and she didn't want to answer it although she knew who it was. I'm not sure if he used the word harassed though. A few months ago I kept getting annoying calls from an online casino harassing me to sign up. That doesn't mean they're going to kill me. They're just annoying.

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LOL, yes, people get annoying calls on their phones from telemarketers etc. But in a murder investigation all avenues should be checked out, and in this case they weren't.

 

[Karinna]

Some people are just pure evil Karinna, and they have no remorse. In this case the evidence points to SA being the evil one. Some believe because he had filed a lawsuit against MTSO, he felt untouchable and mistakenly believed they wouldn't dare look at him as a suspect.

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Oh i agree there is lots of evil people that walk among us. I'm not so sure SA felt untouchable because he in his mind had concerns he would be set up by LE a second time, and look what happened. Whether he is innocent or not i am waiting for KZ to jump that hurdle as i think she stated. She believes in his innocence and he better not let her down.

 

[Limaes]

LOL, yes, people get annoying calls on their phones from telemarketers etc. But in a murder investigation all avenues should be checked out, and in this case they weren't.

We don't know that. There are still 1000s of documents that have not been released to the public.

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[Karinna]

We don't know that. There are still 1000s of documents that have not been released to the public.

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And i hope Ms. Zellner has access to that information to complete her side of things for truth, because she will bring it, she has done it lots of times before whether people like her or not, IMO.

 

[Limaes]

Yes, she does.
Her past cases have zero to do with this one. They are not evidence. IIRC none of her past cases have involved proving that LE planted evidence. She has to overcome his blood being in the victim's vehicle, his DNA on the hood latch and the bullet. I can't see any of the new testing proving him not guilty. JMO.

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[Karinna]

Yes, she does.
Her past cases have zero to do with this one. They are not evidence. IIRC none of her past cases have involved proving that LE planted evidence. She has to overcome his blood being in the victim's vehicle, his DNA on the hood latch and the bullet. I can't see any of the new testing proving him not guilty. JMO.

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If she says she can prove certain things then i have faith in her, and she has a lot more in front of her than we know.

 

[CoolJ]

Incorrect. EA gave PS permission to search the property and she found the RAV 4. That is what led LE.

Why shouldn't they be awarded? I doubt those who made the decision relied on gossip and innuendo.

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You are ignoring completely the fact that Colbourn was caught lying on the stand contradicting what he had said on a recorded dispatch call. You are completely 100% repeating the Ken Kratz version of this case. Or at least one of his versions. As we all know he has two completely different versions that he presented to two different juries.

 

[CoolJ]

They suspiciously left out evidence pointing to SA.

- him calling and requesting her specifically that morning - irrelevant - he had a perfectly good reason for calling and requesting her
- the other 3 times he phoned her that day - irrelevant again - same point as above
- that her personal belongings were found in the burn barrel - planted
- his DNA being found on the hood latch of the RAV 4 - planted

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anything else "relevant" that they left out?

 

[IDK]

Yes, she does.
Her past cases have zero to do with this one. They are not evidence. IIRC none of her past cases have involved proving that LE planted evidence. She has to overcome his blood being in the victim's vehicle, his DNA on the hood latch and the bullet. I can't see any of the new testing proving him not guilty. JMO.

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In the case of Kevin Fox, evidence was not directly planted that I am aware of. However exculpatory evidence was withheld and not even investigated. Evidence that would have led directly to the real killer of little Riley Fox. That as well as a coerced confession, and there you have...justice Manitowoc style!


And the stakes in Kevin's case were much, much lower than in Steven's. Add in a multimillion dollar lawsuit, and you bet, evidence will be planted.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Riley_Fox

Thank heaven for the Kathleen Zellners of this world.

 

[Safeguard]

I only watched MaM once, back in January. I barely remember the show now, anyone else? lol

I tried watching it again. It was after hearing the hoopla about all the evidence that was "left out". I was trying to see if the producers were deliberately using voodoo mind control. I saw nothing that wasn't fact based, actual footage of events.

It definitely did have an undeniable emotional impact. Seeing the actual faces, hearing the agonizing and sometimes desperate voices, of the real people who's lives were being destroyed, as well as the cold, defensive voices those who were callously destroying them;

Hearing Brendan's voice urgently asking his mom, "What does inconsistent mean", and the total humility in her voice as she replies, "Well, I don't know";

Seeing Colburn's face, and actual demeanor, on the stand. If that guy was on the up & up, why did he look like he just **** his pants, over a simple question about the plate number call;

Watching live KK enjoying, nay, beyond enjoying, slowly savoring each gruesome detail of the fictitious murder of TH. That was, brutal in a way, no words in print could ever convay;

Seeing the pain of TH's Mom, It's little wonder why she so willing to accept any closure she was offered;

Hearingthe female officer, assisting in a search of SA's home, laughing and suggesting they could frame him for any unsolved B&E's with shoes in his closet. Beyond dishonorable behavior...

So I am glad I got to see this intimate portrait, of wrongful convictions, that plays out in so many cases that we just don't hear about, (but we do know happens All. The. Time!

I refuse to be *shamed* for having watched Mam. You will never see me apologeticly admitting that I did.

I watched it and then I set about deliberately trying to change my own mind, about their guilt, with every available resource, and I and I could. Not. Do. it. Reguardless of whether or not they have watched MaM nine times, or never watched it at all, people are coming to the same conclusion all over the world. But there will always be a few... The majority could be mistaken, I suppose, I look forward to the eventual outcome either way.