British student murdered in Perugia, 3 suspects

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I don't think Amanda is guilty of anything other than being dumd, scared and making terrible mistakes in her statements and making guesses on what she think happened. The one and only person responsible is the man who raped Meredith and whose poop was n the toilette. Guede.
 
What makes you think the crime scene was not preserved?

The video that showed many people in the house, objects being move/moved back, and techs wearing the same gloves while looking over evidence.
That will be a big problem for the prosecution, that and the DNA stuff.
 
that was Guede who left the poop?

he's goin down!

yes, Amanda is a young and probably socially stupid girl, how she goes from neighborhood whacky cocktail waitress/floozy ...to a sex criminal just doesn't resonate with me...but I do see that detachment and difficult kind of stubborn personality in her. Doesn't mean she is guilty however.
 
that was Guede who left the poop?

he's goin down!

yes, Amanda is a young and probably socially stupid girl, how she goes from neighborhood whacky cocktail waitress/floozy ...to a sex criminal just doesn't resonate with me...but I do see that detachment and difficult kind of stubborn personality in her. Doesn't mean she is guilty however.

Yes on the poop, and it didn't go down :) ... that was the problem.

Guede has already been convicted and will serve 30 years.
He can testify in the other cases if he 'wants' to, he does not have to I don't think.
His testimony could convict them, his testimony could set them free, or he might just not give a dang... and leave them on their own without saying anything.
No excuse for the blatant lies... and continuing to do so several times. One cannot help but be suspicious of this.
 
Vampire outfits sometimes include fake blood. Could Amanda have thought the blood in the bathroom was fake leftover from Halloween costume?
 
Today, on Fox during the Shepherd Smith show, Attorney Ann Bremen was on and discussed this case. She said that she is providing support to the family on a pro-bono basis. Of course,she was very supportive of the anguish being experienced by Amanda and her family. Nothing specifc was really discussed re: the evidence except the knife, which she said does not match the wounds on the victim, and is NOT the murder weapon. Prior to Ann being on the show, Shep talked about several letters from Amanda Knox to Rafael Solecito. I got a phone call during that time, and missed that segment. Did anyone here happen to hear the content/gist of the letters? I came back in the room and heard Ann tell Shep that the letters show the "softer side" of Amanda. Anyone with additinal info please post. Thanks in advance fellow websleuthers.

Ann is working for "Free Amanda Knox"....
 
Vampire outfits sometimes include fake blood. Could Amanda have thought the blood in the bathroom was fake leftover from Halloween costume?

She never said she thought it was fake vampire blood..

She did say she thought one of her roommates had possibly had menstrual issues. Like women make those kind of messes all the time and go off without cleaning it up...not (imo).

I don't believe Amanda.
 
The video that showed many people in the house, objects being move/moved back, and techs wearing the same gloves while looking over evidence.
That will be a big problem for the prosecution, that and the DNA stuff.

Fred, one of the videos that was shown and lauded by Ann Bremer was actually of the apartment downstairs. The crime scene was upstairs. The lab and forensic people visited the site on various occasions. What was done and when is clearly time stamped on the video. There has been a lot of misinformation put into the American press by Amanda's PR consultant and others hoping to turn this into some sort of international incident -- blaming Italy, their justice system etc., but as more and more testimony comes out, more and more forensics, it becomes clearer what is true, what is false. Guede opted for a fast track trial and has been convicted and sentenced for 30 years. He is hoping for an appeal.

Lumumba is sueing Knox for slander, defamation whatever and she truly has no rational explanation as to why she implicated him. Police pressure?? Not so much....she keeps claiming she was confused, surely she was confused especially after Sollecito withdrew his alibi for her. These two are lying and lying because the truth would surely put them in the middle of this crime. She has testified, and on the face of it, seems to have come out well, but if you look at her previous statements....she keeps tripping up on details. Not one, but many.

The defense begins mounting their case which should prove interesting. Her mother has made statements on American tv about a call that was made before the police arrived...Amanda doesn't remember it, but it shows that she was "upset" before anything had happened. What can Edda Mellas say on the stand. Unlike Amanda she will be under oath. Amanda was not.

Equally interesting is that the Sollecito's have recruited a new forensics guy....perhaps the previous one knew he'd be shot down?
 
I agree, I was just talking about the same complaints the two defenses have brought up previously. In my personal opinion I think they were involved in some way... what? I don't know.
 
the thing thats always bothered me about this case is the fact that none of the three has rolled over yet. I find it strange that three people of this age and this apparent level of flakeness where all involve in this and none of them has tried to cut a deal to save their own neck. I'm not sure which conclusion it point toward, but i do think its odd. maybe in the italian justice system the tatic of buying off one of a group of defendents (ideally one of lesser involvement) with a lighter sentance or letting them walk in exchange for testifing against the others, is not used like it is here.
 
I believe Rudi G could get them both, but I don't know if would help him any or if he wants to one way or the other. So far he hasn't spoke for or against them I don't think. I doubt Raf would roll over, I'm just guessing but he might still think alot of her, and he might be innocent anyway. She might think she can beat the rap or she may be totally innocent and just an 'airhead'.
 
My understanding is that they don't cut deals, so it's in noone's interest to break ranks. Rudy has said something to the effect that a remark was made that because he was black, they were going to pin it on him...another reason he opted for a seperate trial. He was called to testify but declined. They must all be up to their eyeballs one way or another, but it will be interesting to see the defense's case, the summing up and the verdict. Unlike American juries these jurors have to give a logical wirtten rationale as to how they arrived at their verdict. If it doesn't hang together, it's another ground for appeal.
 
ok so how does all of this go down?

How do you place G into the scene? who was where? how does it unfold? did the prosecution have a final statement?
 
I think Amanda is guilty along with her boyfriend. Sure seems that way to me anyway. Seems like this trial is taking forever.
 
I'm sorry but who in their right mind does cartwheels in a police station after your roommate is found dead. I'd be physically sick and histerical even if I barely knew the roommate. There is something really weird about her. She reminds me of Casey a little bit.
 
Saturday marked the end of the witness and evidence presentation phase of the trial, setting the stage for last legal maneuvering before the start of closing arguments. Because of the contradicting testimony on the DNA evidence, most court observers expect defense attorneys to request an independent third-party review of the evidence.

The eight-member jury, which includes two professional judges, must decide whether or not such a review is necessary before the trial moves on to final arguments. That debate is expected Oct. 9.

http://www.seattlepi.com/local/410554_knox26.html
 
Meredith Kercher murder trial court rejects evidence review opening way for earlier verdict

Denied: The Court of Assizes of Perugia rejected a review of evidence requested by the defense of Raffaele Sollecito and Amanda Knox

A judge last night rejected defence requests for an independent review of evidence in the Meredith Kercher murder case.
The decision means that a verdict in the trial will come by early December as an independent review could have taken up to a month delaying the decision.
Yesterday lawyers for Knox and Sollecito argued that the review should be held because of errors in the police investigation and the way evidence was collected.
Key to the case is a 30cm black handled kitchen knife on which DNA from Knox was found on the handle and that of Meredith on the blade.
Prosecutors say the knife, which was found in the kitchen of Sollecito's flat, is compatible with the murder weapon - which has never been found.
Knox's lawyer Carlo Della Vedova said that too many discrepancies had emerged in the examination of the knife by forensic scientists.
He pointed out that an official report was marked 'low copy number' with regard to the amount of DNA found on the knife.
He insisted that there had been evidence of contamination during the examination and he also asked for a review of a bloodied footprint found by Meredith which the court heard matched Knox's size.
Sollecito's lawyers had also asked for a review of a bloodied bra clasp found at the scene which had his DNA on it.

They pointed out that the clasp had been found during an initial police search in one point and then 'lost' for six weeks before being found else where in the room.
His lawyer Giulia Bongiorno said: 'The clasp was photographed and filmed in one part of the room.
'Then it was not seen again until 45 days later, a metre and half away from where it was last seen, under a carpet.
'We say this could have affected the test. We also say that from the footage we can see that so called single use gloves used by forensic officers were used more than once.'
Ms Bongiorno said that this as a result could have led to contamination and that another review was essential.
Prosecutor Giuliano Mignini had argued that: 'There is no need for a review as the evidence was gathered in a very professional way by qualified persons.'
Last night after a two hours consulting with the jury judge Giancarlo Massei ruled that he was rejecting the requests for a review.
He also set out a calendar for the summing up and sentence requests and said that he would retire to consider sentence and verdict on December 4.
In his ruling judge Massei said: 'The court has heard from several consultants who have brought several elements and which rule out the need for any further proof.'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1219393/Court-rejects-review-evidence-Meredith-Kercher-murder-trial.html#ixzz0TXba1KRQ
 
The clean up is what points me to Amanda and Raf the most. Why would Rudi clean up footprints and blood drops that were not his, and leave stuff that showed he was there? I believe that Amanda, and probably Raf both had a factor in the murder... even if they did not participate in the actual murder. Their lies and conflicting alibis point directly to them... there could be no other excuse.
 
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