Brooke Bennett, 12 yrs. old Randolph, VT #10

[Dante7]

Dearest Dante,
Thank-you for your post.

Respectfully,
dark_shadows

My pleasure.

 

[Ciara]

Depictions of women consenting to be sexually tortured and abused is highly questionable since it gives the viewer the idea that a normal woman is going to enjoy _______deviant sexual practice. Depictions of women or men being raped/tortured against their will created by 'actors' should be illegal, it is too far across the line.

Where do you think drunk teenagers get the idea that women all want a gang bang if not from *advertiser censored*?

I agree with this Medea. I have read online about people who become more and more bored after awhile with "standard" *advertiser censored* and start seeking out more and more deviant type *advertiser censored*. I think it can really warp people's perceptions of relationships after awhile. Look at that guy Max Hardcore ..the type of stuff he sells is beyond disgusting....total degradation and violence against women.
Ugh...I hate that poor children like Brooke get caught up in all this

 

[Medea]

Sadly, we get in to a really sticky area there Re:legal precedents and what should and should not fall under that heading.
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I thought we weren't getting into this discussion

Once upon a time, I argued that all *advertiser censored* should be covered under the First Amendment. I wasn't prepared to begin the 'slippery slope' argument about what was and was not obscene, considering that in history much revered art has been considered obscene at one time or other. Who was going to decide? Some people think Sex and City is obscene....Oscar Wilde...James Joyce...

Then, I changed my mind. I believe that there exists now enough scientific evidence that links repeated viewing of hard core *advertiser censored*, most especially violent *advertiser censored* that eroticizes violence with negative beliefs and actions. I am prepared to surrender that corner of Free Speech for the greater good. The wholesale liberalization and elimination of society's historic role in setting boundaries on social behavior has brought with it many unintended consequences. There are certain types of currently legal *advertiser censored* that probably 90% of non-lawyers would agree is obscene and destructive. I'm good with that. It has no redeeming qualities whatsoever.

Similarly, I once argued against the death penalty as inappropriate for a civilized society...it was wrong for 'the state' to sanction murder for any reason. Today, I would flip the switch gleefully on any number of death row inmates without a second thought.

 

[Littledeer]

From what I have read so far, this is my understanding:

Father molested his son: MJ
Father's Grandfather molested MJ
MJ's Father and MJ molest daughter/sister

MJ rapes 18 year old

MJ has sexual relationship with his step daughter

MJ arrested for possible rape and killing of his niece along with his ex brother in law

Is this correct in a nutshell??

 

[Tom'sGirl]

Agreed Dane, certainly nothing new.

Back 70+ years ago there were the "Tijuana Bibles" with drawn descriptions of all kinds of acts.

 

[TisHerself]

Like what?

Breckenridge is confirmed by Jacques emails.
Jacques having sex w/her is confirmed by Gagnon.
Gagnon having sex with her is confirmed by Gagnon.
Her getting her boyfriend's semen is confirmed by the fact that it showed up on Brooke's clothing.
Her being sexually abused is confirmed by what her mother says.

The only thing I find questionable is that after having helped her uncle plot the abduction, wishing her cousin to suffer, agreeing to tie her up, being undecided about 'time with her' that AR just watched TV and then left when Brooke willingly went upstairs with her uncle.

Everything else about her story is supported by other evidence.

I am not disputing any of those things, that is not what I am talking about. I think she has not told the whole truth about what really happened to Brooke. What was her involement in the actual torture and killing of her. Because I don't believe that Brooke went upstairs willingly nor do I believe that AR left the house.
I don't understand how a 9yr old child read and understood what was on the note. When did her mother find her in a towel and the KY Jelly? how old was she? did the abuse start before she was nine. Itis very obvious that The step father was into some sick stuff, so I am having a hard time understanding how a 9 yr old would deal with that kind abuse without showing some clear signs something was very wrong. Was her mother involved in any of this? did she know what was going on the whole time?
I still think there are a lot of things we don't know about that whole very sick and very sad situation. I may be wrong if I am then OK, but those things just bother me.

 

[TisHerself]

Okay, let's say that he was in TX and then travels to VT to be supportive...He already knew what happened to Brooke. He had at least two lengthy conversations with MJ after the fact and he also altered her Myspace. Then...he comes to VT and pretends not to know anything...What a guy...

A real Prince:furious:

 

[TisHerself]

So do we know when she was actually killed? She was obviously removed from the house...could she have not been brought somewhere else? Until we know the TOD no one can say. And do you honestly think the FEDS took over because they want to get this guy on distribution of pornographic material they have yet to find in some dump? They're definitely looking at bigger...my goodness they dismissed the state charges against him (yes, without prejudice), but they're looking at WAY BIGGER stuff IMO.

Agreed

 

[w1df10wr]

IMO they already know when he got to Vermont, I just don't think he was there in Vermont when she was killed, it doesn't track to the time of him changing her myspace page from Texas, I think he admitted the rest of the stuff in terms of "No, I didn't kill anybody, I'm just a run of the mill buyer of child *advertiser censored* who once had sex with my 13/14 year old niece...."

He MAY have helped Jacques cover up more than has been made public after the fact, but I think no way was he directly invovled in her death. And so far, there hasn't been any info. released about Gagnon being part of the month long abduction plan...that is so far solely between Jacques and AR.

I agree - Texas is several days by car or hours by plane for RG. LE probably has plane ticket or gas/motel receipts, along with cell phone records to prove where RG was, imo.

Reading the affadavit - MJ reminded me of David Brown. DB convinced his 14 year old daughter to kill her stepmother, Linda.

 

[SewingDeb]

From what I have read so far, this is my understanding:

Father molested his son: MJ
Father's Grandfather molested MJ
MJ's Father and MJ molest daughter/sister

MJ rapes 18 year old

MJ has sexual relationship with his step daughter

MJ arrested for possible rape and killing of his niece along with his ex brother in law

Is this correct in a nutshell??

Littledear, where did we learn all of this? I missed parts of that information somehow.

 

[TisHerself]

I agree - Texas is several days by car or hours by plane for RG. LE probably has plane ticket or gas/motel receipts, along with cell phone records to prove where RG was, imo.

Reading the affadavit - MJ reminded me of David Brown. DB convinced his 14 year old daughter to kill her stepmother, Linda.

I remeber that!

 

[SewingDeb]

VT and NH missing. Map.

http://snewzer.tripod.com/

 

[Littledeer]

Littledear, where did we learn all of this? I missed parts of that information somehow.

Maybe I should rephrase my earlier post to this:

From what I have read so far, this is my understanding:

Father and/or Grandfather molested MJ

MJ's Father and/or MJ molest daughter/sister

MJ rapes 18 year old

MJ has sexual relationship with his step daughter

MJ arrested for possible rape and killing of his niece along with his ex brother in law

Is this correct in a nutshell??

 

[Medea]

I haven't seen any credible information about Jacque's father and grandfather, I don't even know that it is know for a fact that the 'relative' he was accused of raping was his sister.

It stands to reason, that assuming the 1980s victim was truthful, any 11 year old boy who initiatives a sexual relationship with an 8 year old has himself also been sexually abused. It stands to reason, especially at that time that the abuser would have been a family member. But this is all conjecture as far as I know.

 

[becca]

=Littledeer;2352803]


Maybe I should rephrase my earlier post to this:

From what I have read so far, this is my understanding:

Father and/or Grandfather molested MJhaven't heard that

MJ's Father and/or MJ molest daughter/sistersister was raped and had an abortion

MJ rapes 18 year oldthis is true

MJ has sexual relationship with his step daughter
this is true
MJ arrested for possible rape and killing of his niece along with his ex brother in law
actual charges are kidnapping resulting in death I believe
Is this correct in a nutshell??

 

[believe09]

Depictions of women consenting to be sexually tortured and abused is highly questionable since it gives the viewer the idea that a normal woman is going to enjoy _______deviant sexual practice. Depictions of women or men being raped/tortured against their will created by 'actors' should be illegal, it is too far across the line.

Where do you think drunk teenagers get the idea that women all want a gang bang if not from *advertiser censored*?

Gang-banging is an activity more about herd instinct than *advertiser censored*-the advent of *advertiser censored* did not create the gang bang...and respectfully, I have never heard or read it stated that women "want" a gang bang. I suspect that there is not a whole lot of thought about what women want when it comes to that activity.

*advertiser censored*, IMO, perpetuates the idea that women are two dimensional and not anything other than objects-a collection of parts designed to stimulate. Male depictions in *advertiser censored* rarely achieve the submissive aspects of female *advertiser censored*-women on their backs, bent over yada, yada, yada...

I am no prude-but I find nothing harmless about *advertiser censored* "soft core" or otherwise....or strip clubs or prostitution. You cannot tell me that your soul does not pay a price.

but I digress....

 

[believe09]

I haven't seen any credible information about Jacque's father and grandfather, I don't even know that it is know for a fact that the 'relative' he was accused of raping was his sister.

It stands to reason, that assuming the 1980s victim was truthful, any 11 year old boy who initiatives a sexual relationship with an 8 year old has himself also been sexually abused. It stands to reason, especially at that time that the abuser would have been a family member. But this is all conjecture as far as I know.

MissVT had a local source that attended the vigil and indicated that the MJ and father were known to have attacked his sister from the time she was 8 onward. This information was discussed on these threads prior to it being confirmed in a media link, IIRC. The court paperwork indicated that the young relative had to have an abortion as a result of the rapes. I think that makes the information pretty credible considering the victim who was his relative was widely known to have been his sister...

 

[Littledeer]

Thanks becca

 

[becca]

Thanks becca

You are welcome , hope it helped a bit. So much info and who knows how much is fact?

 

[Cornflower]

How very rude of me to have not said this before...


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