Burke Files 150 Million Dollar Lawsuit Against Werner Sptiz???

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This is not the first time anyone proposed this as a theory. Yes, Spitz pointed the finger in his direction again but he was interviewed as a minor, later as an 11 y/o and now on DP as a 29 y/o man. He is no longer throwing his opinion at a 9 y/o.


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what I am sure about is what I know about him, that is what happened here.

Idk. He is saying that he is sure thats what happened in regards to 9year old Burke killing his sister.

He said he was sure as if he has proof.

So imo. He should have said imo. Lol
 
I apologize again, I'm really having trouble with either this website or my computer today. It keeps stalling when I try to quote someone, but this is in response to keyleigh's comment mentioning BR's medical records. I wonder if they even exist. Can medical records be legally destroyed? Is it allowed every 7 years like some other documents?

Yes, states have laws on the books about how long medical records must be kept. It's usually no longer than 10 years, although sometimes you can find records that somehow missed destruction. I'm working on case right now involving an incident that occurred a few years ago and in the sweep of medical records I came across his 1981 vasectomy records.

is their pediatrician still alive? could he be subpoena'd to testify in a trial if BR's medical info around 1996 is deemed relevant to the case?
 
I don't think Burke is considered a public figure until twitter says so... :laughing:couldn't resist!
 
what I am sure about is what I know about him, that is what happened here.

Idk. He is saying that he is sure thats what happened in regards to 9year old Burke killing his sister.

He said he was sure as if he has proof.

So imo. He should have said imo. Lol

Lol or MOO or IMHO. Just do not want to see people getting sued left and right. LW is emotionally reactive and aggressive.



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I think Woody screwed up by letting Burke go on Phil’s show for more reasons than anyone realized at the time. Not only did Burke’s “demeanor” cast more suspicion on him than anticipated, but it was his first voluntary public appearance. They even admitted (despite Burke’s claim to doing it to “honor” his sister) that it was to get out in front of what they were expecting from the CBS docuseries which they refused to participate in despite the offer from CBS. But by his going public, that (IMO) solidified his position as a “Limited-Purpose Public Figure,” even if it wasn’t already established by other standards beyond his control.

In his filing, they try to get around this mistake by stating the following:

Burke Ramsey is a private citizen and has never attained the status of public figure for purposes of filing and prosecuting a defamation action to seek redress for false attacks on his reputation. Since the time of his sister’s death until September of this year, Burke Ramsey never voluntarily participated in any media interviews to discuss his sister’s tragic death.

In September of this year, after learning that CBS planned a docuseries on the JonBenet Ramsey case, which might include accusations against him, Burke Ramsey exercised his right of reasonable response and gave an interview to Dr. Phil McGraw.



But here is a discussion about what might qualify someone as a “Limited-Purpose Public Figure” (pay particular attention to that which I have bolded):

The second category of public figures is called "limited-purpose" public figures. These are individuals who "have thrust themselves to the forefront of particular controversies in order to influence the resolution of the issues involved."[/B] Gertz v. Robert Welch Inc., 418 U.S. 323 (U.S. 1974). They are the individuals who deliberately shape debate on particular public issues, especially those who use the media to influence that debate.

This category also includes individuals who have distinguished themselves in a particular field, making them "public figures" regarding only those specific activities. These limited-purpose public figures are not the Kobe Bryants, who are regarded as all-purpose public figures, but rather the journeymen basketball players of the league.

For limited-purpose public figures, the actual malice standard extends only as far as defamatory statements involve matters related to the topics about which they are considered public figures. To return to our basketball example, the actual malice standard would extend to statements involving the player's basketball career; however, it would not extend to the details of his marriage.

As regards figures who become prominent through involvement in a current controversy, the law is unfortunately rather murky. In general, emphasis is placed not on whether the controversy is a subject of public interest, but rather:

- The depth of the person's participation in the controversy.
- The amount of freedom he or she has in choosing to engage in the controversy in the first place (e.g., if they were forced into the public light). See Wolston v. Reader's Digest Association, 443 U.S. 157 (1979).
- Whether he has taken advantage of the media to advocate his cause. See Time, Inc. v. Firestone, 424 U.S. 448 (U.S. 1976)




IMO, Burke made himself a “Limited-Purpose Public Figure” at the direction of Woody by going on Phil McGraw’s show and will therefore be required to prove “malice” on the part of Spitz. He should also have to prove that Spitz was wrong in his assertion that Burke caused the skull fractures, and I don’t know how he can prove that. The burden of proof should be on Burke to show that Spitz was wrong, knew he was wrong at the time he made the statement, and did so with malice toward Burke Ramsey.

https://www.scribd.com/document/326687568/Burke-Ramsey-vs-Werner-Spitz

http://www.dmlp.org/legal-guide/proving-fault-actual-malice-and-negligence

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OT, but is anyone else having problems with getting the HTML formatting to work?
 
I think Woody screwed up by letting Burke go on Phil’s show for more reasons than anyone realized at the time. Not only did Burke’s “demeanor” cast more suspicion on him than anticipated, but it was his first voluntary public appearance. They even admitted (despite Burke’s claim to doing it to “honor” his sister) that it was to get out in front of what they were expecting from the CBS docuseries which they refused to participate in despite the offer from CBS. But by his going public, that (IMO) solidified his position as a “Limited-Purpose Public Figure,” even if it wasn’t already established by other standards beyond his control.

In his filing, they try to get around this mistake by stating the following:

Burke Ramsey is a private citizen and has never attained the status of public figure for purposes of filing and prosecuting a defamation action to seek redress for false attacks on his reputation. Since the time of his sister’s death until September of this year, Burke Ramsey never voluntarily participated in any media interviews to discuss his sister’s tragic death.

In September of this year, after learning that CBS planned a docuseries on the JonBenet Ramsey case, which might include accusations against him, Burke Ramsey exercised his right of reasonable response and gave an interview to Dr. Phil McGraw.



But here is a discussion about what might qualify someone as a “Limited-Purpose Public Figure” (pay particular attention to that which I have bolded):

The second category of public figures is called "limited-purpose" public figures. These are individuals who "have thrust themselves to the forefront of particular controversies in order to influence the resolution of the issues involved."[/B] Gertz v. Robert Welch Inc., 418 U.S. 323 (U.S. 1974). They are the individuals who deliberately shape debate on particular public issues, especially those who use the media to influence that debate.

This category also includes individuals who have distinguished themselves in a particular field, making them "public figures" regarding only those specific activities. These limited-purpose public figures are not the Kobe Bryants, who are regarded as all-purpose public figures, but rather the journeymen basketball players of the league.

For limited-purpose public figures, the actual malice standard extends only as far as defamatory statements involve matters related to the topics about which they are considered public figures. To return to our basketball example, the actual malice standard would extend to statements involving the player's basketball career; however, it would not extend to the details of his marriage.

As regards figures who become prominent through involvement in a current controversy, the law is unfortunately rather murky. In general, emphasis is placed not on whether the controversy is a subject of public interest, but rather:

- The depth of the person's participation in the controversy.
- The amount of freedom he or she has in choosing to engage in the controversy in the first place (e.g., if they were forced into the public light). See Wolston v. Reader's Digest Association, 443 U.S. 157 (1979).
- Whether he has taken advantage of the media to advocate his cause. See Time, Inc. v. Firestone, 424 U.S. 448 (U.S. 1976)




IMO, Burke made himself a “Limited-Purpose Public Figure” at the direction of Woody by going on Phil McGraw’s show and will therefore be required to prove “malice” on the part of Spitz. He should also have to prove that Spitz was wrong in his assertion that Burke caused the skull fractures, and I don’t know how he can prove that. The burden of proof should be on Burke to show that Spitz was wrong, knew he was wrong at the time he made the statement, and did so with malice toward Burke Ramsey.

https://www.scribd.com/document/326687568/Burke-Ramsey-vs-Werner-Spitz

http://www.dmlp.org/legal-guide/proving-fault-actual-malice-and-negligence

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I am not sure I agree that Burke is a limited purpose public figure. The second point says "If they were forced into the public light"...could that apply to him? If Burke went on Dr. Phil because of the upcoming accusations in the CBS special, does he not have a right to defend himself? He did one interview; it's not like he has been prominently trying to change the narrative of this story since '96 like his father.

Burke is suing Spitz for his comments on CBS Detroit on Sept 19. Burke's Dr. Phil show appearances were Sept 12, 13, and 18. Would that make a difference?

It will be interesting to see what the court rules---I could see it going either way.
 
OTG- thank you for sharing your research.


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I think Woody screwed up by letting Burke go on Phil’s show for more reasons than anyone realized at the time. Not only did Burke’s “demeanor” cast more suspicion on him than anticipated, but it was his first voluntary public appearance. They even admitted (despite Burke’s claim to doing it to “honor” his sister) that it was to get out in front of what they were expecting from the CBS docuseries which they refused to participate in despite the offer from CBS. But by his going public, that (IMO) solidified his position as a “Limited-Purpose Public Figure,” even if it wasn’t already established by other standards beyond his control.

In his filing, they try to get around this mistake by stating the following:

Burke Ramsey is a private citizen and has never attained the status of public figure for purposes of filing and prosecuting a defamation action to seek redress for false attacks on his reputation. Since the time of his sister’s death until September of this year, Burke Ramsey never voluntarily participated in any media interviews to discuss his sister’s tragic death.

In September of this year, after learning that CBS planned a docuseries on the JonBenet Ramsey case, which might include accusations against him, Burke Ramsey exercised his right of reasonable response and gave an interview to Dr. Phil McGraw.



But here is a discussion about what might qualify someone as a “Limited-Purpose Public Figure” (pay particular attention to that which I have bolded):

The second category of public figures is called "limited-purpose" public figures. These are individuals who "have thrust themselves to the forefront of particular controversies in order to influence the resolution of the issues involved."[/B] Gertz v. Robert Welch Inc., 418 U.S. 323 (U.S. 1974). They are the individuals who deliberately shape debate on particular public issues, especially those who use the media to influence that debate.

This category also includes individuals who have distinguished themselves in a particular field, making them "public figures" regarding only those specific activities. These limited-purpose public figures are not the Kobe Bryants, who are regarded as all-purpose public figures, but rather the journeymen basketball players of the league.

For limited-purpose public figures, the actual malice standard extends only as far as defamatory statements involve matters related to the topics about which they are considered public figures. To return to our basketball example, the actual malice standard would extend to statements involving the player's basketball career; however, it would not extend to the details of his marriage.

As regards figures who become prominent through involvement in a current controversy, the law is unfortunately rather murky. In general, emphasis is placed not on whether the controversy is a subject of public interest, but rather:

- The depth of the person's participation in the controversy.
- The amount of freedom he or she has in choosing to engage in the controversy in the first place (e.g., if they were forced into the public light). See Wolston v. Reader's Digest Association, 443 U.S. 157 (1979).
- Whether he has taken advantage of the media to advocate his cause. See Time, Inc. v. Firestone, 424 U.S. 448 (U.S. 1976)




IMO, Burke made himself a “Limited-Purpose Public Figure” at the direction of Woody by going on Phil McGraw’s show and will therefore be required to prove “malice” on the part of Spitz. He should also have to prove that Spitz was wrong in his assertion that Burke caused the skull fractures, and I don’t know how he can prove that. The burden of proof should be on Burke to show that Spitz was wrong, knew he was wrong at the time he made the statement, and did so with malice toward Burke Ramsey.

https://www.scribd.com/document/326687568/Burke-Ramsey-vs-Werner-Spitz

http://www.dmlp.org/legal-guide/proving-fault-actual-malice-and-negligence

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otg,
I'll bet JR and LW thought it would be business as usual, i.e. we'll just sue anyone that gets in our way, that will shut them up for years?

Someone should get Spitz to ask the court to unseal the rest of the True Bills, so he can demonstrate why he thinks BR killed JonBenet?


Is it not bizarre, the case is likely BDI, yet BR can sue to recompense on his reputation as an innocent, and nobody can say boo, because he is protected under federal law?


You have to wonder if CBS dug up some new evidence, else why should BR bother with Dr Phil to tell us more or less what we already knew?

Kolar looked uncomfortable on the CBS show, not sure if this was just him not used to being directed, or he was pissed at being told what not to say with everyone else allowed more sound bites?

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He would be charged as a minor if ever indicted I think.

Then of course they will say he was a mentally ill minor.

So I doubt this lawsuit will suddenly bring old charges on Burke for now.

So he has nothing to lose as far as a quick money grab.

Especially since everyone else profited from the case. Jmo.
 
I am not sure I agree that Burke is a limited purpose public figure. The second point says "If they were forced into the public light"...could that apply to him? If Burke went on Dr. Phil because of the upcoming accusations in the CBS special, does he not have a right to defend himself? He did one interview; it's not like he has been prominently trying to change the narrative of this story since '96 like his father.

Burke is suing Spitz for his comments on CBS Detroit on Sept 19. Burke's Dr. Phil show appearances were Sept 12, 13, and 18. Would that make a difference?

It will be interesting to see what the court rules---I could see it going either way.

I feel that as OTG pointed out with the wording of the defamation claim- the fact they go on to explain his role as a private citizen makes me think they are reaching. Anyone asked, do you know who BR is would likely know. How often was his name googled over the past 20 years, as an example. Seems to me he is a limited purpose public figure. I'm really hoping the case is dismissed- after all he might still be protected behind an "island of privacy." JMO


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otg,
I'll bet JR and LW thought it would be business as usual, i.e. we'll just sue anyone that gets in our way, that will shut them up for years?

Someone should get Spitz to ask the court to unseal the rest of the True Bills, so he can demonstrate why he thinks BR killed JonBenet?


Is it not bizarre, the case is likely BDI, yet BR can sue to recompense on his reputation as an innocent, and nobody can say boo, because he is protected under federal law?


You have to wonder if CBS dug up some new evidence, else why should BR bother with Dr Phil to tell us more or less what we already knew?

Kolar looked uncomfortable on the CBS show, not sure if this was just him not used to being directed, or he was pissed at being told what not to say with everyone else allowed more sound bites?

.
Does anyone know what happened with the neighbor who in this CBS documentary refused to be interviewed on camera?
There was a lot of time devoted
to this particular person which seems strange as nothing came
of it. Am I recalling this correctly?

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The amount of effort put in to protecting their reputation vs the amount of effort in finding out who killed JB is disturbing and tells you all you need to know about this case.
 
Good question! Or any of his psych docs if he had them.

I think he still is

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He's on the left in this picture

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HLN has show about JBR on now.

PW and LS are featured. Turning it off soon. Still talk about the mysterious palm print (PR) and foot print in the wine cellar. Can't take the IDI platform.


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is their pediatrician still alive? could he be subpoena'd to testify in a trial if BR's medical info around 1996 is deemed relevant to the case?

Remember, there are still documents in the evidence file that the GJ saw as well. Some of the actual records could already be in police possession.

Yes, any of Burke's doctors could be subpeona'd.
 

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