CA - 13 victims, ages 2 to 29, shackled in home by parents, Perris, 15 Jan 2018 #11

[Zelda1010]

The bit about the 12-year-old is a bit confusing. I had originally thought that was a reference to #12. But according to the bankruptcy document, #12 can't be older than 11 now. #11 is listed as two years older, but in the pictures they appear to be pretty close in age. So my best guess is that #11, who is listed as 6 at the time of the bankruptcy document, could be 12 now (at the time of the escape, that is) if her birthday falls between late January and August. So she would be about to turn 13 sometime in the next few months. That would line up with the bankruptcy document. I'm guessing that's what you are referring to.

So happy you shared People article!


And glad you joined my personal age discussion, goodnesss it gets confusing to write out 10/11/12 esp. since they are 11/12 years.

August 2011

#10 7-yo
#11 6-yo
#12 4-yo

Jan 2018

#10 14 yo unchained
#11 12 yo weight of 7 yo
#12 11 yo unchained

#9 was 9yo in Aug11, must be 15-16yo Jan18

Aug11 from bankruptcy, jan18 from press conference. Links out there. Checked & double checked, but still open for interpretation.

 

[SkipperKey3]

So happy you shared People article!


And glad you joined my personal age discussion, goodnesss it gets confusing to write out 10/11/12 esp. since they are 11/12 years.

August 2011

#10 7-yo
#11 6-yo
#12 4-yo

Jan 2018

#10 14 yo unchained
#11 12 yo weight of 7 yo
#12 11 yo unchained

#9 was 9yo in Aug11, must be 15-16yo Jan18

Aug11 from bankruptcy, jan18 from press conference. Links out there. Checked & double checked, but still open for interpretation.

I agree that this all makes logical sense. I'd add this:

#10 14 yo unchained when authorities arrived
#11 12 yo weight of 7 yo, escaped with #8 but returned out of fear
#12 11 yo unchained when authorities arrived

 

[Satch]

I agree that this all makes logical sense. I'd add this:

#10 14 yo unchained when authorities arrived
#11 12 yo weight of 7 yo, escaped with #8 but returned out of fear
#12 11 yo unchained when authorities arrived

Is this confirmed, or best guess? Can the picture be posted so that I can match up the numbers to the kids? (Still need to be blurred I understand.) Are they matched to their "Thing" shirts, or picture positions?

Satch

 

[Satch]

Good points made by this doctor on why the Turpins made glimpses of their lives public and yet so much was kept private:

"Is this just to try to display a sense that 'things are normal?...If we show a little of something maybe people won't question us,'" said Dr. Karen Imagawa, director of the Audrey Hepburn Cares Center at Children's Hospital Los Angeles, who works with children who have suffered abuse and trauma. "Or maybe there's a deeper psychological motivation that they're sort of trying to manipulate to see what they can get away with and almost flaunting it out there with the hope that no one is going to know what is really going on there."

I agree 100%.

Source: http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-turpin-public-life-20180124-story.html

Satch

 

[Zelda1010]

Is this confirmed, or best guess? Can the picture be posted so that I can match up the numbers to the kids? (Still need to be blurred I understand.) Are they matched to their "Thing" shirts, or picture positions?

Satch

No worries. This “thing” was bothering too many of us, so we discussed this last night and decided on “Survivor 1, 2, 3, etc” with Tricia’s blessing. There is a photo on this thread and on the media thread with each of these dear survivors photoshopped with this designation by AnaPisces. Here it is again.

Here is pic from timeline here. Numbers match shirts/birth order to best of my knowledge. Not confirmed by LE or birth certificate or anything, so call it best guess based on available docs (namely bankruptcy filing & press conference)

 

[Stunned]

I doubt we will get many updates on the condition of the children/adults due to their rights to privacy. I am certain they are out of the hospital and receiving therapeutic care through occupational, physical, nutritional, mental health, speech & language, hearing, vision, and medical professionals. I would hope they have sibling visits with each other frequently in a therapeutic setting and again in a relaxed, nurturing and safe environment weekly. I hope they get to make valentines for each other and each one of them get to have a sweet treat tomorrow. I truly hope they get to experience multiple adventures, sensations, art and culture and many things of beauty. I bet they are beyond happy that they get to experience real education and possibly even real school with socialization and peers. What wonderful and exciting experiences await them.

As It should be. No one deserved the privacy these victims do! Except other victims.

 

[strawberry]

Good grief with everything going on in the world I forgot about this. I wonder how the kids are doing


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[rsd1200]

A glimpse into the lives of the siblings today - the first report I've seen in a few weeks, actually. It says they are doing pretty well. The adult siblings are learning music and how to play the guitar. It also makes a reference to there not yet being a release date, which makes it sound like they are at the hospital. It also says the children are at a separate facility still.

http://people.com/crime/house-of-horrors-adult-children-play-guitar-tom-petty-john-denver/

How awesome! I love music, all genres (well, I might pass on Death Metal...). Music is healing.

From your link;

At this point, some of the Turpin siblings can play John Denver and Tom Petty songs on the donated acoustic guitars, according to Uffer. The siblings have even engaged in a sing-along.

 

[esbo]

As It should be. No one deserved the privacy these victims do! Except other victims.

Assuming they want privacy, have they asked for privacy?

I've seen no reports them have.

After all many are adults who have been to Vegas etc...

And bought drinks apparently as the were asked for adult ID hence I find the idea
they would not be able to function in the world somewhat dubious.

Just my opinion of course. I have been wrong before (although I can't provide a link, you will have to
take my word for it) so I could be wrong again.

 

[Lilibet]

Interesting attempts to cast doubt on their level of suffering. We have the report from LE. Guess it’s not enough for some. Making progress does not mean there was never a problem. Neither does the fact that no one spotted anything. We have scores of cases of abuse on WS threads that were never noticed before the child died or was rescued. Guess you have to be here awhile to get it. :dunno:

 

[Zelda1010]

My apologies if this has already been asked:

Was there ever a point where DT/LT ever expected their older kids to take care of or look after the younger ones?

I know that older children taking care of younger ones is common in large families, for example, the Duggars.

Genuinely curious to know anything about this.

I don't think there is any proof, no.

Just rewatching press conference to get this right:
The abuse..." started in the Fort Worth area of Texas, with the parents at one point living apart from most of the children, & dropping off food from time to time".
Approx. 5:55 mark if CBS video
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/califo...-charged-torture-13-kids-escape-live-updates/

Fort Worth area, imo, could or could not include Rio Vista (approx 45 minutes or so drive from Ft Worth).

If this period of living apart is possibly in Rio Vista (as part of the "Ft Worth area" from CA LE perspective????) the eldest could be considered old enough to babysit the younger, during at least some of the time period, in a normal large family situation, under normal circumstances.

Turpins lived in Ft Worth from 1992-1999 according to media thread. In 1999 they moved to Rio Vista where a double wide mobile home was eventually placed on the property. The oldest would be 10-11 at the time of the move (born July 1988) and #7 was born in July of 1999, with #8 born shortly thereafter, in 2000/2001 (17 yo in Jan 2018) Both the property & mobile home were foreclosed on in April 2010. The eldest would be 21 at that end point.

I personally wonder if the double wide is where they left most of their children. They were a very young brood, still, in Ft Worth. (And still in contact with LTs family until 1999)

Or did they leave those poor kids alone in the run down Rio Vista house until "mom" & "dad" came back to the property, at which point a nice new clean double wide abode was a top priority. Hmm.

Approx 2007-2011 is a particularly curious time period, for me.

· 1992-1999 lived in Ft Worth (https://www.yahoo.com/news/turpin-fa...093146516.html)
· The alleged abuse and neglect began when the family lived in the Fort Worth area, "with the parents at one point living apart from most of the children and dropping off food from time to time," said Michael Hestrin, district attorney for Riverside County. https://www.dallasnews.com/news/crim...uthorities-say
· 1999 moved to farm in Rio Vista - Rt 1 box 154-R, Rio Vista, TX until 2010. 2300 SF home on 36 acres (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-dumpster.html )
· 2000? - Survivor 8 born (Escaped): 17 years old female - Jor <snip>
· 2001 - One of the children, a 4-year-old girl (is this survivor 5?) was bitten by the family's border collie in 2001
· 11/5/2001 ? – vow renewal at Las Vegas – need to revalidate and find reference – this may be a transcription typo by JaxFlaGal
· 2002 or 2001? - Survivor 9 born: 15 or 16 years old male - Jam <snip>
· 2003? - Survivor 10 born: 14 years old female - Joa <snip>
· 2004? - Survivor 11 born: 13 years old female - Jol <snip> (count 25? “Jolis.”?
· 2005? - Survivor 12 born: 12 years old - Jul <snip>
· Lots of credit card debt particularly in 2007
· 2009 0r 2010 DT stopped working for Lockheed Martin.
· 4/2010 - doublewide mobile home foreclosed and farm foreclosed 595 Hill County Rd 1123 Rio Vista, TX
· Authorities, though, said that the children were starved and abused since at least 2010.
· Neighbors said they left abruptly and left things behind
· 2010 David’s income 181850 + she had 10K income, based on BK filing
· Court records show David Turpin had an engineering job at another defense contractor, Northrop Grumman, by the following year (after left Lockheed in 2010)
· Moved to Murietta in 2010.
· 3/21/2011 - “open date” of school – Sandcastle Day School
· 8/25/11 Filed Bankruptcy
- In 2011, LT appears to have written on a comment thread on the couple’s Facebook page: “David is working at Northrop again. We are doing good and we really like it here. It wiill (sic) be 2 years in June we moved here.”

 

[EuTuCroquet?]

The confusion may have arisen as jail is often considered synonymous for prison outside of the US.
In the US, “[T]he most notable difference between jails and prisons is that prison inmates have been tried and convicted of crimes, while those in jail may be awaiting trial, where they may yet be found innocent.”
https://www.diffen.com/difference/Jail_vs_Prison

Thank you for clarifying, jens!

 

[rsd1200]

I don't think there is any proof, no.

Just rewatching press conference to get this right:
The abuse..." started in the Fort Worth area of Texas, with the parents at one point living apart from most of the children, & dropping off food from time to time".
Approx. 5:55 mark if CBS video
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/califo...-charged-torture-13-kids-escape-live-updates/

Fort Worth area, imo, could or could not include Rio Vista (approx 45 minutes or so drive from Ft Worth).

If this period of living apart is possibly in Rio Vista (as part of the "Ft Worth area" from CA LE perspective????) the eldest could be considered old enough to babysit the younger, during at least some of the time period, in a normal large family situation, under normal circumstances.

Turpins lived in Ft Worth from 1992-1999 according to media thread. In 1999 they moved to Rio Vista where a double wide mobile home was eventually placed on the property. The oldest would be 10-11 at the time of the move (born July 1988) and #7 was born in July of 1999, with #8 born shortly thereafter, in 2000/2001 (17 yo in Jan 2018) Both the property & mobile home were foreclosed on in April 2010. The eldest would be 21 at that end point.

I personally wonder if the double wide is where they left most of their children. They were a very young brood, still, in Ft Worth. (And still in contact with LTs family until 1999)

Or did they leave those poor kids alone in the run down Rio Vista house until "mom" & "dad" came back to the property, at which point a nice new clean double wide abode was a top priority. Hmm.

Approx 2007-2011 is a particularly curious time period, for me.

Isn't that the time they lived in Murietta? I think that may have been when they rented. They may have also been expecting the parents and brother, and had not yet trashed the house. It's different walking away from a trashed, rented, home, than it is a mortgaged one. The bankruptcies can get the bank off them, and the banks wouldn't normally pick up on signs of abuse happening there. They are used to folks trashing houses because they have to give them up to the bank, and a drawing of a concentric circle with a head on top, seems perfectly normal compared to some acts of artistic vandalism in vacant homes. A rented home comes with an owner who may just see you in court and be disgusted enough to sick CPS on you.

 

[Wyle_E_Coyote]

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[liltexans]

Neighbors still reeling a month after California torture case came to light

Wendy Martinez lives around the corner from the Turpin home. As she stood next to Milligan, Martinez said the Turpin case &#8220;will be a scar for our neighborhood forever.&#8221;

Both neighbors say they have since become more observant.

Milligan often looks at the house and notices when something is off, such as the back gate being open. Martinez said she makes sure the windows haven&#8217;t been broken.

&#8220;We&#8217;ve become closer,&#8221; Milligan said. &#8220;It&#8217;s a little more of watching out for one another.&#8221;

Two doors down, Andria Valdez reflected on what happened so close to her home.

Like Milligan, Valdez said she didn&#8217;t sleep much the first few days.

[...]

The more than 20 notes &#8212; mostly directed at the Turpin siblings &#8212; include these three:

&#8220;You kids are so loved by so many people!!! All 13 will go on to do wonderful and great things!&#8221;
&#8220;I pray for nothing but joy for all of you. You&#8217;re in our thoughts.&#8221;
&#8220;We are thinking of you! Stay strong, you&#8217;re not alone. &#8220;

 

[Zelda1010]

Isn't that the time they lived in Murietta? I think that may have been when they rented. They may have also been expecting the parents and brother, and had not yet trashed the house. It's different walking away from a trashed, rented, home, than it is a mortgaged one. The bankruptcies can get the bank off them, and the banks wouldn't normally pick up on signs of abuse happening there. They are used to folks trashing houses because they have to give them up to the bank, and a drawing of a concentric circle with a head on top, seems perfectly normal compared to some acts of artistic vandalism in vacant homes. A rented home comes with an owner who may just see you in court and be disgusted enough to sick CPS on you.

The time period I threw out has more to do with #1s apparent graduation & achieving adulthood + gap in baby making through to the open date of the school in CA when we know torture is in full swing. But now that you put it that way, yes, that may be their Murrieta time; or at the very least includes it and DT family visiting, eh?

Interesting thoughts on rent vs mortgage. I know the house I purchased was a foreclosure. And woah the neighbors have some stories. The house was in rough enough shape. It had new carpet and paint to mask the worst of it, but many layers of yuck had to be reckoned with. A toxic, abusive/abused couple used to live here. No kids btwn them, thank goodness, but still. I hear the stories now, but I really don't think anyone tried to intervene at the time. And the couple remains together, to the neighborhood's knowledge, so what could they do besides be supportive, as they were?

I suppose that's terribly off topic, but, yes, you likely have a point. Somewhere in their effed up thinking, they may have known enough to keep their noses clean, so to speak, while renting.

Did they rent the house in Fort Worth? Do you happen to know off the top of your head?

I need to dig through the threads though, because I think I remember a poster mentioning DT maintained an additional TX address at some point. I want to investigate that further, if possible.

But trying to keep my $#&! straight on this case has shown me how old or out of practice I am getting! So, we'll see what I actually find upon investigation.

 

[rsd1200]

The time period I threw out has more to do with #1s apparent graduation & achieving adulthood + gap in baby making through to the open date of the school in CA when we know torture is in full swing. But now that you put it that way, yes, that may be their Murrieta time; or at the very least includes it and DT family visiting, eh?

Interesting thoughts on rent vs mortgage. I know the house I purchased was a foreclosure. And woah the neighbors have some stories. The house was in rough enough shape. It had new carpet and paint to mask the worst of it, but many layers of yuck had to be reckoned with. A toxic, abusive/abused couple used to live here. No kids btwn them, thank goodness, but still. I hear the stories now, but I really don't think anyone tried to intervene at the time. And the couple remains together, to the neighborhood's knowledge, so what could they do besides be supportive, as they were?

I suppose that's terribly off topic, but, yes, you likely have a point. Somewhere in their effed up thinking, they may have known enough to keep their noses clean, so to speak, while renting.

Did they rent the house in Fort Worth? Do you happen to know off the top of your head?

I need to dig through the threads though, because I think I remember a poster mentioning DT maintained an additional TX address at some point. I want to investigate that further, if possible.

But trying to keep my $#&! straight on this case has shown me how old or out of practice I am getting! So, we'll see what I actually find upon investigation.

I think they owned, for the most part, in TX. Folks like the Ts can put on a good dog and pony show when they are called out.

I have trouble keeping up with all the ages and I get them confused with one another. It's definitely a difficult one to keep straight.

 

[mtnlites]

Assuming they want privacy, have they asked for privacy?

I've seen no reports them have.

After all many are adults who have been to Vegas etc...

And bought drinks apparently as the were asked for adult ID hence I find the idea
they would not be able to function in the world somewhat dubious.

Just my opinion of course. I have been wrong before (although I can't provide a link, you will have to
take my word for it) so I could be wrong again.

Vegas security guards ask for ID at just about every turn. Just because they were in Vegas doesn't mean they were drinking. I've spent a lot of time in Vegas and am often carded just for waking through the casino too slowly. (You're not allowed to linger on the casino floor unless you're 21 but you must walk through the casino to get through anyplace in Vegas. I look young.)

And, at any rate, even if they were drinking, that doesn't correlate with life skills. Life skills come with doing, with experience, with a certain amount of freedom to to get out and make decisions on one's own. (All of which are difficult to do when you're being held inside your home.)

Since these are victims of a crime, I think they deserve their privacy until they come forward themselves and say otherwise. They didn't ask for attention in the first place.

 

[Amonet]

I'm pleased to see the People article with the little update in it on how the siblings are doing. I know it doesn't say too much, nothing about their health, but it's exactly the sort of update I hoped for. They might still be having difficulties, they probably will for a long time yet, but it sounds like they're having some positive times too and having fun learning guitar and singing. That's a lovely hobby for them to develop. It's very kind of the store to send them a guitar, too!

I hope the minor siblings are also getting to do things like that.

 

[disgruntled]

Interesting that they claimed that marching was fulfilling the state PE requirement. Because there are no state requirements for church-run schools in Indiana. Just blame somebody else, I guess.

That is true! I still remember how weird it was to tromp in circles endlessly. I always felt like a Gerbil on a wheel.