CA - 13 victims, ages 2 to 29, shackled in home by parents, Perris, 15 Jan 2018 #4

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I think of the kids are about to be moved to a foster family then it’s safe to say they are in a condition to be moved on! WB members saying it’s too soon etc are not in receipt of the condition of these kids! So why all the angst?

Professionals know best

I am many pages behind so this may already have been addressed and discussed, but "released to them" doesn't mean they are going home, it means released to their custody IMO. I have custody of my child, but if he/she is sick, they would still be in the hospital.

They still need to be in the hospital. They are still in bad shape. The state won't be the one making decisions for them. Their new guardians will.
 
Hi everyone! I’m a lurker on here and rarely post but I am completely consumed with this unfortunate story. I was wondering if anyone could provide links for the discussions where classmates were describing their experiences with the kids. There are so many posts I think that I may have missed a few!
Thank you!
 
A poster wondered how one could set up residence for 13 people quickly. I say "hold my beer". Give me one day. With my credit cards and best friends, we would have it done by dinner time.

When there is a will, there is a way. LOL

My posse' is the best.

Just saying.
 
I will never understand that people think these siblings looked "fine" "happy" "clean" and maybe just "skinny". It horrifies me. Given what we know, how can this be said? Given what we SEE how can this be said?

Pale. Gaunt. Bruises on ankles and wrists from restraints. Robotic. Gross motor appears poor. BLACK CIRCLES under their eyes from malnutrition. Skinny limbs.

When you see the photos and videos and know their ages, that seven of them are adults, some of them in their mid to late twenties. HOW can anyone say they look "fine" and that the abuse must have only gotten worse in the last three years?

It breaks my heart and boggles my mind.

They don't look fine. Clean clothes and combed hair are the BARE minimum.

Look at them. Really LOOK at them. In fact, don't just look at them, SEE THEM. See them, while you process their ages and what we know for a fact they have been going through for bare minimum 8 years and tell me they look "fine, happy, and just a little thin". It feels like such an unintentional minimization of every horror they have been through.

I find it so disturbing and upsetting.

Other than the photos of the family at the wedding vow renewals, I haven't seen any other pictures... or heard ages beyond a range. Where have you seen these?


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I am trying to imagine how things went down once our brave hero escaped. Did the other sister return to the inside of the house? If so, how did she get back in? Were the parents alerted?

In the meantime, did Survivor #8 wait down the street? Was she able to provide an address, or could the dispatcher determine the location from the cell phone? I can't stop thinking about how terrified she must have been while waiting, especially without knowing what the outcome would be.

God bless her!

I think about this constantly. And about how one week ago, they were in their prisons, hungry, dirty, some of them chained, and in that moment they had no idea how many more days/months/years of it they would have to endure. [emoji26]
 
My feeling is that Louise looks much, much younger in the picture of her pregnant. Just because it was posted 2/3 years ago doesn’t mean it was taken at that time. I may be completely off base, though. Thank you for posting the link [emoji4]


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The pictures of LT pregnant and with newborn were provided by LTs brother and sister. They said they received pictures from LT of the new child only. I believe them, that the pics are of Survivor #13.

I think that since Survivor #13 was born LT has deteriorated. Perhaps beginnings of menopause, perhaps post-partum depression. She hasn't been taking care of herself as she used to. All my opinion, based on what I have seen.
 
Please see my post # 432 above. The children are not going anywhere yet, the miscommunication was about the DOGS being ready for adoption.

IT WILL TAKE AT LEAST 18 MONTHS TO TERMINATE THE PARENTAL RIGHTS
http://www.cnn.com/2018/01/18/us/whats-next-for-turpin-children/index.html

What they are talking about today is a CBS report, posted earlier in this thread, that indicates a volunteer had come forward to foster and adopt all 13 and that it could happen as soon as Monday. We hope that report is inaccurate.
 
Depending on what you believe from DT's parents, they visited in Ca. either 4,5, or 6 yrs. ago and stayed for 5 days
according to them. I would suspect DT,LT and kids and DT's parents stayed at some motel/hotel near Disney.

That's what I've suspected too. The photos from Disney reflect that time period, and the Turpin's home was about an hour away. The airport in Anaheim is right there, near Disney, so I'd bet the whole T family stayed right there in that vicinity. Honestly, DT's parents/sibling probably did some talking, to get to see DT and family. They actually went to Cali. and saw them, as did DT's brother. I do not think they got anywhere near the home though. Some sort of excuse was made as to why they couldn't come to the home. I will say, from experience, that eventually, parents/kin will kind of give up if pushed away long enough, by an adult child/ family member. My ex did this to his father. Cut him right out. His father is a very nice man, and tried, but when you're told to F off so many times, well... The ex did come around about a year before he (ex) passed, and began to speak to him. You can't force your adult child to allow you into their life. The elder Ts had no idea, I'm sure, of what was going on in that house. I've been surprised the elder Ts got as far as a visit at Disney. D & L must have known for sure that none of the kids would be saying a word. They probably never left the k ids, w/o one of them in attendance, either.
 
Hi everyone! I’m a lurker on here and rarely post but I am completely consumed with this unfortunate story. I was wondering if anyone could provide links for the discussions where classmates were describing their experiences with the kids. There are so many posts I think that I may have missed a few!
Thank you!

Here is one. I couldn't find anything about the older children's classmates and teachers from elementary school, but I heard there is an article out there about that.


https://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/...r-Sharing-Music-Class-With-Him-470086943.html
 
Looking at the case so far, the surface is just being scratched. I suspect the abuse had been going on before 2010.

I saw 20/20 about David and Louise Turpin. I think they could be injustice collectors.

Injustice Collectors
http://www.psybersquare.com/family/family_injustice.html

Characteristics of Injustice Collectors:
1.) Injustice Collectors are convinced that they are never wrong. How is it possible that they are never wrong? It is simple: They are always right.

2.) Injustice Collectors never apologize. Ever. For anything.

3.) Injustice Collectors truly believe that they are morally and ethically superior to others and that others chronically do not hold themselves to the same high standards as the injustice collector does.

4.) Injustice Collectors make the rules, break the rules and enforce the rules of the family. They are a combined legislator, police, and judge and jury of

5.) Injustice Collectors never worry about what is wrong with themselves as their "bad list" grows. Their focus is always on the failings of others.

6.) Injustice Collectors are never upset by the disparity of their rules for others with their own expectations of themselves.

7.) Injustice Collectors rationalize their own behavior with great ease and comfort.

David and Louise Turpin show all seven characteristics.

Here are more with 20 characteristics
http://www.lisaescott.com/forum/2009/11/25/are-they-injustice-collector

Characteristics of Injustice Collectors

1. Injustice collectors are never wrong. How is it possible that they are never wrong? It's simple: They are always right.

2. Injustice collectors never apologize. Ever. For anything.

3. Injustice collectors truly believe they are morally and ethically superior to others and that others seem incapable of holding themselves to the same high standards as the injustice collector does.

4. Injustice collectors make the rules, break the rules and enforce the rules of the family. They are a combination of legislator, police, judge and jury to those they consider their subjects. They forever banish from their kingdom any subject they deem disloyal, and only grant clemency if there is sufficient (in their eyes) contrition.

5. Injustice collectors never worry about what is wrong with them as their "bad" list grows. Their focus is always on the failings of others.

6. Injustice collectors are never troubled by the disparity between their rules for others and their own expectations of themselves. Injustice collectors rationalize their own behavior with great ease and comfort.

7. Injustice collectors have an external orientation; the problem always exists in the world, outside of themselves, and in their view, the world would be an acceptable place if their rules and standards were followed at all times.

8. Injustice collectors do not have a capacity for remorse, empathy or guilt.

9. Injustice collectors scoff at the idea of therapy, therapists, self-help books, and other tools used by people who struggle to live with them.

10. The phrase "walking on eggshells" describes life with an injustice collector.

11. The IC (injustice Collector) will prey upon your weaknesses to frame all issues in their terms.

12. IC's will always cry foul when you are 'mean' to them and accuse you of being nasty when you are confronting them with their negative behavior.

13. They are titanically insecure and cannot trust anyone. All relationships they have, even with their own parents and children and trustless and must be reinforced by subordination over and over.

14. They can only strengthen relationships through imprisoning their mates and banning behaviors and other relationships. Friends and family are a huge threat to the IC.

15. They must repetitively revisit situations where you service them, give in to them and agree with them. They will over time shrink your world to a small plot of empty activities that only they like. They are terrified of travel, meeting new people, understanding new concepts and paroling you from any punishment they have previously 'convicted' you of.

16. They do not care about you at all, they care about aggrandizing themselves with you as an assistant producer.

17. They will occasionally do something for you, but if you are not completely brainwashed, it will be a negative experience for you in the end. Example is throwing you a birthday party. I guarantee you will not have fun at your own party.

18. They will force you to choose between them and other things you like or love. The more you choose them, the more they will make you choose them over and over. They do not understand the concept of loyalty at all.

19. Hypocrisy is their modus operandi for debating and arguing with you. Everything they say about you is true about them. (aka Projection) It makes it so you try to 'win' fights by getting them to agree with you, which they never can because their whole position is false.

20. Your life will disappear into their lives. Your hopes and dreams will fade, even in your own mind. You will eat what they want, you will watch what they want on TV, you will vacation where they want, or not at all.

David and Louise Turpin show all twenty characteristics.

Injustice collectors are often very controlling as they are paranoid. They are prone to extreme anger and in some cases extreme violence.

Injustice collectors are usually seen in mass killers and terrorists like Stephen Paddock, Devin Kelley, Omar Mateen, Seung-Hui Cho, Adam Lanza, Eric Harris, Elliot Rodger, and Osama bin Laden. There are many abusers who are considered injustice collectors like Gertrude Baniszewski, Lori Drew, Eliza Baker, Kayla Narey, and Theresa Knorr.

This what I think. I am sure we will hear more about them.
You've piqued my curiosity. I've got a degree in psychology, masters in human behavior and family therapy. Never heard this term "injustice collector" and am very interested to explore. What source are you pulling this info from? Please share! Hoarding on a whole different plane of existence. Interesting indeed.


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The posters on the site do so much to advance justice for those who cannot speak for themselves. One of the things we know for certain in this case is that the victims are actually alive. They hopefully will be able to speak for themselves at some point, but they will need help to achieve health and real justice. I want to post my opinions and speculation, but I have to defer. This case is so emotional, but it is also an opportunity to show that actions speak louder than words. We can talk all we want about this case, but we also have the ability to make a meaningful difference here. I donated financially. I am not saying anyone has to, or that anyone should. What I am saying is that we clearly have a lot to say here, so just imagine what else could be accomplished if we all continued to fight for justice and put our money where our text is.

If everyone in one county donated just one dollar. Can you imagine!!

BBM

Respectfully, it is important to discuss. The sensitivity of members (and victims/survivors) should be respected and not discounted IMO. Although it may just seem like a convenient descriptive reference, if it makes members cringe when the expression “Thing” is used, it would be respectful to the sensitivities of members and victims/survivors to find another way to reference those photos.

Words have power and those children were degraded and were treated like “things.” If they ever read here, I hate for them to see us calling them that just because it’s easier. We can’t really split hairs and say we are only talking about their shirts. We have no idea how they felt about those shirts. Not everything Dr Seuss wrote was fun. They are all victims and thankfully, survivors. Let’s honor them. Personally, I would like to see them called “Survivor 1, 2, etc.”
JMO

Seriously. It's not that hard to not refer to them by their t-shirts which now have a sinister connotation.

I don't care that they're unlikely to read these threads. It's gross.
 
Just quoted a couple of the many posts on whether the children will adopted soon. I still am behind a couple pages, so my apology if it has already been corrected.

I remember this being discussed in the last thread, but it is not the children who are “ready to be adopted out.” There will be much work to be done before the siblings will leave hospitals or State services.

It was about the dogs, and they will not be adopted Monday, but in February:

http://www.cnn.com/2018/01/19/us/turpin-family-dogs/index.html
The dogs are at a shelter, and authorities plan to find a new home for them as a pair.
"They are in good condition, very active and friendly," Perris city spokesman Joseph Vargo said of the two 1-year-old Maltese mixes.
The dogs will get a new home on February 5 when the winners of a raffle, open to locals only, are announced.
City residents will need to apply in the next week and be prepared to have their homes checked out.
Vargo said the dogs -- a black one named Fluffy and a white one with no known name -- bark and wag their tails when they meet people and look pretty happy.
The dogs will get their shots and be spayed before being adopted out.

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http://people.com/crime/healthy-dogs-belonging-couple-accused-torturing-children-available-adoption/Expecting high interest in the pair – who must be adopted together – the City of Perris will hold a raffle to place the dogs in a new home, according to the release.




You could well be correct, but many are referring to yesterday's CBS article that said:

"CBS News has just learned that someone in Southern California has volunteered to take in and adopt all 13 of the kids and adults and their release to that family could happen as early as Monday. The seven adult siblings are currently being cared for at a local hospital."

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/david-louise-turpin-riverside-county-warning-signs/
 
Not sure if anyone has noticed yet but the Disneyland pictures were took at different times... In the Eeyore picture, one of the youngest girls has bangs and David Turpin has on a Star Wars shirt. In the picture with David Turpin's brother and his family, none of the girls appear to have bangs and David Turpin is wearing a different shirt.

Seems the kids were only allowed to have a select few clothes for public. The dresses and suits in the vow renewals, the Dr. Seuss shirts, the red and blue collared shirts, and then the Disneyland shirts. So horrible for the kids.

Wow. Had not noticed that. Thank you. 🧐


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Blog post from August 2012 mentions this shirt.
I believe that Motherhood Maternity carried it.
It was called "embrace your pregnancy"

She could have bought it anytime after that on any resale site or 2nd hand shop.

I wonder when they actually started selling this shirt.
Then we would at least know it could not have been before whatever year that was.
(Probably not available when pregnant with child #12)
Link for date shirt was being sold.
http://fashionstyledesignquality.blogspot.com/2012/08/build-your-maternity-clothes-fashion.html?m=1

MOO
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I was doing the same research. Thank you!


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You wouldn’t think it would be a priority when they were financially strapped! It would have cost a lot to transport them all to Vegas, dress them and the chapel service cost itself.

Yes! Psychologically speaking, its extremely interesting. In one news report it was also stated that they had little to no remorse or emotion over filing bankruptcy, which is dually odd. For most "normal" (I hate that word but u get what I mean) people it's a very upsetting or at least stressful time.
Have there been any reports detailing the circumstances around David leaving his job? All I've read Is that he quit a well
Paying job. Also odd if they were hurting for money. Gotta get inside this guy's head.


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Regarding the age gap between the two year old and the youngest siblings, I wonder if both parents didn't want another baby and eventually one spouse convinced the other. Or if they did, and were unable to get pregnant right away, I wonder if this helped fuel the anger of the 'parents' towards the children.
 
I will never be able to think of Mickey Mouse or Disneyland the same way again...
 
I was doing the same research. Thank you!


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Looking for the layette set the infant is wearing as well.
I can't decide if it's Pooh, (bee) or Burt's (bee)
With the shirt she has on I am assuming Pooh.

MOO

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