CA - 14 killed in San Bernardino mass shooting, 2 Dec 2015 #3

[K_Z]

I'll address the "beard" controversy. As an isolated thing, growing a beard is harmless. Many men grow beards in cold climates.

But THIS man had a number of other "red flags" in addition to his growing a beard. His neighbors and acquaintances noticed the alteration in his patterns of living and being-- BUT were stymied as to who and how to communicate those concerns. We are suffocated and crippled by political correctness, IMO. "See something, say something" is a nice platitude, but we haven't developed that "plan" enough to make it effective. All it should have taken is for local police to get a look inside that garage to set in motion a lot of other procedures to monitor this couple, and prevent this cell from action.

Now we have the benefit of hindsight and the 24 hour news media, who collect those red flags and put them together. But the red flags were there all along. IMO.

 

[Tulessa]

My hubby has a beard, has had it for over 30 years. Please don't shoot him, and I guess the Robertson's better get into hiding? SMH.

 

[Sonya610]

Yes! What is it with all these men growing a beard now. All denominations. And all very thick beards.

It's a new fashion trend. A while back I saw a young redneck guy with a full beard in a hunting party, I asked if he was Mennonite and was told no, he grew it to look like the guys in Duck Dynasty.

 

[Gigi-G]

Well, that article has it wrong right off the bat. There's no burkha in those photos. The word is being used to inflame.

And consider this: a woman is going to wear a burkha and a Ninja balaclava? Bwahahaha!

It is what it is MSM digging ever deeper. I think however stating TM always wore a burqa did keep her identity off the radar for a while. But each to there own. Burqa Balaclava. .. Both begin with B.

 

[bluesneakers]

My hubby has a beard, has had it for over 30 years. Please don't shoot him, and I guess the Robertson'd better get into hiding? SMH.

What about Santa?!

 

[K_Z]

Would you expect a priest, rabbi, or pastor to do the same? I think it's breaking a bond to report a congregant to the authorities.

Yes. Absolutely I think priests and rabbis are obligated to report when they think a congregant is becoming an imminent danger to themselves and others. That's a wide category.

 

[bluesneakers]

It is what it is MSM digging ever deeper. I think however stating TM always wore a burqa did keep her identity off the radar for a while. But each to there own. Burqa Balaclava. .. Both begin with B.

If she in fact wore one I think that's why she did.

 

[bluesneakers]

Yes. Absolutely I think priests and rabbis are obligated to report when they think a congregant is becoming an imminent danger to themselves and others. That's a wide category.

How many Catholics would skip Reconciliation if that were true? Who would trust a spiritual leader who has DHS on speed-dial?

Plus there's a huge difference between imminent danger and "He's growing a beard and hanging with the wrong crowd."

 

[Ellie9]

What about Santa?!

I don't trust him with his sweatshop labour and his complete isolation up there, in the north pole, 364 days of the years. And he's an expert at breaking and entering. Someone needs to do some background checks.

 

[Tillicum]

not finding it yet . But.. it said that there was one day (date is what I want) there where so mnay packages, that the ups guy had to help get them inside. The ups was trying to make some conversation and he said something like preparing for christmas and the driver said he just "glared"back .

It would be neat to know if this was after or around May!

It was one day last week.

One person who noted an uptick of activity at the couple's home the week before the attack was their loal UPS driver, who noted that Farook was unfriendly during one recent interaction.

The delivery man who worked the area, but asked not to be named, confirmed to ABC News he had delivered packages to the Redlands home as recently as late last week, just days before the Wednesday attack.

Some days, the UPS driver noted, he would deliver over a dozen a day.

On one particular day last week, the driver said, Farook had to help him carry the packages in because there were so many. The driver said they were mostly light, bagged packages and many of them were from Target.

When the driver asked whether they were Christmas gifts, Farook glowered at the driver, he said.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/san-bernardino-shooters-hiding-plain-sight/story?id=35578759

 

[dotr]

Jihadists don't shoot themselves. They might blow themselves up so they can take OTHERS out in the process but committing suicide as a single/personal act is forbidden.

Which is why i sometimes wonder if many terrorists are actually suicidal people who found the ideal way to die " suicide by cop" and then be treated posthumously as heroes, instead of by the religion's definition as " sinners".
Same deal for some other groups, imo, speculation....

 

[popsicle]

Yes! What is it with all these men growing a beard now. All denominations. And all very thick beards.
I'm scared of beards if yr under 50. Idk. I always seemed to think when ISIS first came on the scene.. clean cut men were okay. And to avoid bearded ones..... social profiling again... not good I know. But that's how my mind perceives things. Ughhh.

I hate ISIS and what it stands for. I have many Muslim friends. And I don't like the way ISIS genetically profiles people to their respective.
They single handedly have brought out Islamaphobia. Now quiet respectful peaceful Muslims feel tarred with the same brush.
How awful that must feel for them.

I can only guess you aren't a baseball fan then. lol

 

[Tillicum]

I don't trust him with his sweatshop labour and his complete isolation up there, in the north pole, 364 days of the years. And he's an expert at breaking and entering. Someone needs to do some background checks.

:floorlaugh:

 

[bluesneakers]

Which is why i sometimes wonder if many terrorists are actually suicidal people who found the ideal way to die " suicide by cop" and then be treated posthumously as heroes, instead of by the religion's definition as " sinners".
Same deal for some other groups, imo, speculation....

Maybe some of them? There are so many of them though. I know suicide pacts exist, but how often do they actually happen? I think they get brainwashed into wanting to kill themselves. Probably step-by-step like with any cult.

I hope they can find out exactly what happened here, and if his wife was the one who turned him how she was able to do it.

She was the ultimate catfish.

 

[bluesneakers]

I can only guess you aren't a baseball fan then. lol

Red Sox?

 

[ninij9]

Most of the mass shooters were born here, weren't they? Eric Rudolph and Timothy McVeigh were American terrorists who could have had all the same things. Their crimes were not about hating what they didn't have. I think it goes much deeper than that. It's a twisted worldview, an ideology, anger, hate... I don't know. I wish someone could figure this out and find a way to stop them before they head down that path.

Perhaps a new breed of mass shooter/terrorist? Disenchanted home grown Psycho meets radicalized extremist hate filled wifey. Combine the two. KABOOM.

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[popsicle]

Red Sox?

Nats - aka Bryce Harper's team lol

 

[Ellie9]

BUT were stymied as to who and how to communicate those concerns. We are suffocated and crippled by political correctness, IMO.

I think there has to just be some kind of healthy medium. If there was zero political correctness the FBI would be too tied up to do anything because they'd get nonstop calls about any Muslim they see with a beard (or without). i agree that we shouldn't silence anyone, but there has to be some kind of movement to help people double check their biases and stereotypes. Sometimes what they see is indeed dangerous, and sometimes it's just different than they're used to but non harmful.

 

[Sonya610]

It is what it is MSM digging ever deeper. I think however stating TM always wore a burqa did keep her identity off the radar for a while. But each to there own. Burqa Balaclava. .. Both begin with B.

Photos I saw showed her wearing a Niqab (popular in Saudi Arabia and the Islamic State). Burkas (with the hat underneath) were forced by the Taliban but I don't think they are common anywhere else.

http://www.channel4.com/news/from-hijab-to-burqa-a-guide-to-muslim-headwear

In Iran the Chador is only worn by ultra-conservative women and they rarely cover their face.

 

[Gigi-G]

Mr. Farook’s mother, Rafia, sold the family’s home in May according to property records. On Thursday, a package for her still sat on the porch.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/neighbo...le-they-knew-are-shooting-suspects-1449188181

How can she sell a Rental property?
Blonde moment here sorry 😨