CA - 14 killed in San Bernardino mass shooting, 2 Dec 2015 #5

[jadejazzkayla]

I guess for me, I'm just glad my phone is not the center of my universe, and if you could get into it, you'd just laugh at what you found.

sbm...that is the point rob. we can't get into your phone. no one can. not Apple not anyone.

if the DOJ and the FBI force someone (Apple or someone else)to create a master key into every iPhone in the world -Farook the terrorist will be responsible. farook will become known as the guy who took away everyone's privacy and safety. he will be the winner .

and isn't that what all terrorists want? to unstablize the rest of us?

 

[i.b.nora]

If you aren't old enough to remember the COINTELPRO operation or didn't learn about it in school you might want to read up on it.

This is from the FBI's own website:

https://vault.fbi.gov/cointel-pro

COINTELPRO

“COINTELPRO The FBI began COINTELPRO—short for Counterintelligence Program—in 1956 to disrupt the activities of the Communist Party of the United States. In the 1960s, it was expanded to include a number of other domestic groups, such as the Ku Klux Klan, the Socialist Workers Party, and the Black Panther Party. All COINTELPRO operations were ended in 1971. Although limited in scope (about two-tenths of one percent of the FBI’s workload over a 15-year period), COINTELPRO was later rightfully criticized by Congress and the American people for abridging first amendment rights and for other reasons.”​

 

[Hope4More]

Shame on Bill Gates for siding with the FBI against Apple. Guess he feels like he shouldn't have to or can't compete with Apple on product quality.

 

[Elley Mae]

Shame on Bill Gates for siding with the FBI against Apple. Guess he feels like he shouldn't have to or can't compete with Apple on product quality.

I watched his interview with Charlie Rose and it was as if he danced around what to say or how to answer. I could see the look on Charlie's face that bill couldn't just answer the ?.

 

[jjenny]

Sounds like the FBI screwed up by trying to access the phone more than 10 times without the correct password.

 

[kimi_SFC]

I saw this on another thread, and wanted to share, as I hadn't read it before (via New York Daily News):

Apple unlocked at least 70 iPhones before refusal
http://nydn.us/1LvHXXX

[...]
The October refusal bewildered New York prosecutors, who claimed the iPhone maker “complied” with at least 70 other requests to unlock suspects’ phones, Motherboard reported at the time. Each request was made under the All Writs Act, a 1789 statute that grants federal courts broad power to issue "necessary or appropriate" writs.

“(Apple) had an established procedure to routinely take any of these requests, comply with them, processing them,” Assistant U.S. Attorney Saritha Komatireddy said in court.

While Apple lawyers did not object to the claim, they insisted the 70 figure was a government estimate and not a number vetted by the tech company.
[...]

Much more @ link

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[kimi_SFC]

Here's the October 2015 Motherboard story cited in the NYDN article:

Feds Say Apple Has Unlocked Suspects' iPhones 'At Least' 70 Times in the Past

http://motherboard.vice.com/read/fe...uspects-iphones-at-least-70-times-in-the-past via @motherboard

[...]
Komatireddy argued that Apple should help because it’s been doing that since 2008, and since then it “has never objected” and “has complied” with “at least” 70 similar requests.

“[Apple] had an established procedure to routinely take any of these requests, comply with them, processing them,” Komatireddy said, adding that the government’s request in this case “did not ask Apple to create any capability that it did not already have. It was just a simple routine request for assistance following a search warrant issued by a federal court.”

“Apple is saying it does not want to do this.“
The prosecutor added that the number is an “estimate” based on a preliminary survey. Apple’s lawyer Marc Zwillinger told reporters at the end of the hearing that that figure is the government’s estimate, not Apple’s. An Apple spokesperson declined to comment via email.
[...]

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[Elley Mae]

If the phone will wipe everything from the phone if the wrong password is entered 10 times how does anyone know that isn't what the terrorist didn't do. I mean if that is all it takes to get rid of the info on your phone, then maybe that's what he was doing for 18 minutes.

 

[kimi_SFC]

Here's the thread on the Apple issue:

CA-Apple CEO Tim Cook refusing Court Order To Open SB Shooters I-Phone, 2-17-16
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=300900



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[EllieBee]

Okay, color me confused as well as tech-doofusish...

But unlocking a phone at the request of LE is not the same as being asked to develop a backdoor break program that the FBI could then use without having to bother Apple for help.....right?

IOW, my understanding is that Feds were asking Apple to provide a way to pretty much snoop around ANYONE'S iphone whenever they choose, without having to ask Apple for assistance.

I often misunderstand these things so please correct me if I have misunderstood in this case.

 

[arielilane]

I am an Apple user, and I love my iphone. One of the major reasons being the level of security offered. I feel quite confident that my personal info stored in my iphone is safe from hacks.

I applaud Apple's stand on this, and expect no less. I am not quite ready to live in a police state where the government claims rights to any and all of my personal information. Frankly, they have more than I am comfortable with as it is.

Love this last paragraph! Very well stated!

Okay, color me confused as well as tech-doofusish...

But unlocking a phone at the request of LE is not the same as being asked to develop a backdoor break program that the FBI could then use without having to bother Apple for help.....right?

IOW, my understanding is that Feds were asking Apple to provide a way to pretty much snoop around ANYONE'S iphone whenever they choose, without having to ask Apple for assistance.

I often misunderstand these things so please correct me if I have misunderstood in this case.

That's how I understood it. iSad.

 

[jadejazzkayla]

Sounds like the FBI screwed up by trying to access the phone more than 10 times without the correct password.

depending on the owner's iPhone settings - after an incorrect password has been entered for a 10th time in a row - the phone would be....

either -disabled until a backup from an authorized computer restores it

or - permanently erased.

As far as I've read -authorities do not have farook's authorized computer to use. a laptop belonging to him was destroyed (along with his personal phone) prior to the killings.

 

[i.b.nora]

Amazon Quietly Removes Encryption Support from its Gadgets

Written by
LORENZO FRANCESCHI-BICCHIERAI
STAFF WRITER
March 3, 2016 // 01:41 PM EST

http://motherboard.vice.com/read/amazon-removes-device-encryption-fire-os-kindle-phones-and-tablets

“While Apple is fighting the FBI in court over encryption, Amazon quietly disabled the option to use encryption to protect data on its Android-powered devices.

The tech giant has recently deprecated support for device encryption on the latest version of Fire OS, Amazon’s custom Android operating system, which powers its tablets and phones. In the past, privacy-minded users could protect data stored inside their devices, such as their emails, by scrambling it with a password, which made it unreadable in case the device got lost or stolen. With this change, users who had encryption on in their Fire devices are left with two bad choices: either decline to install the update, leaving their devices with outdated software, or give up and keep their data unencrypted.”​

More...

I wonder if they are going to tell their customers?

 

[Tillicum]

Prosecutor: iPhone could ID unknown San Bernardino attacker

In a letter to Apple CEO Tim Cook cited in another court brief, Mark Sandefur -- the father of one of the men killed in the terror attack -- also cited reports of three attackers, saying the phone must be unlocked.

"Several of the survivors tell me bone-chilling stories of where they were, and what they saw," Sandefur wrote. "Some of them describe in precise detail, laying on the floor, hiding under furniture and the bodies of their co-workers, that they saw three assailants, not two, walking around in heavy boots as they carried out their murders.

"What if there is evidence pointing to a third shooter?" Sandefur wrote. "What if it leads to an unknown terrorist cell? What if others are attacked, and you and I did nothing to prevent it?"

 

[Sillybilly]

from:
[video]http://money.cnn.com/2016/03/21/technology/doj-apple-hearing/index.html[/video]

FBI may have found a way into terrorist's iPhone

On the eve of a court showdown with Apple, the Department of Justice wants to cancel the hearing, saying it may have found a way into the iPhone of Syed Farook, the gunman in the San Bernardino shooting.

 

[i.b.nora]

Tim mentioned it today at the very beginning of his introduction of what's new at Apple.

Here is article about it:

http://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity...-se-addresses-privacy-issues-at-event-w199300

“Cook — who spoke to Time in an article published last week about his stance on the FBI's demands that Apple unlock and encrypt an iPhone 5c belonging to Syed Farook, one of the terrorists involved in the San Bernardino attacks — was firm and resolute about his company's position on Monday. Cook explained that there are more than 1 billion active Apple devices used across the world.

"With that comes a significant responsibility," Cook said. "We built the iPhone for you, our customers, and we know it is a deeply personal device. We need to decide, as a nation, how much power the government should have over our data and our privacy. ... We owe it to our customers and we owe it to our country." He concluded of the issue: "We will not shrink from this responsibility."”​

 

[Dr. Know?]

Breaking911 ‏@Breaking911 54s55 seconds ago
#BREAKING: Judge in Apple iPhone encryption case postpones Tuesday's hearing after government says it may have way to unlock phone -Reuters

 

[Dr. Know?]

Breaking911 ‏@Breaking911 54s55 seconds ago
#BREAKING: Judge in Apple iPhone encryption case postpones Tuesday's hearing after government says it may have way to unlock phone -Reuters

 

[Dr. Know?]

FBI: Might be a way to unlock San Bernardino attacker iPhone

LOS ANGELES (AP) — In a stunning disclosure, federal authorities said Monday that they may have found a way to unlock an iPhone used by one of the shooters in the San Bernardino attack, a development that could make Apple’s forced cooperation unnecessary.
In a filing late Monday, federal prosecutors asked to delay a much-anticipated court hearing set for Tuesday over the FBI’s demand for Apple to help unlock Syed Rizwan Farook’s encrypted phone. An “an outside party” came forward over the weekend and showed the FBI a possible method for unlocking the phone, according to the filing.

http://wdtn.com/2016/03/21/fbi-might-be-a-way-to-unlock-san-bernardino-attacker-iphone/

 

[0101ABA]

Also here: http://m.wpbf.com/money/doj-may-have-found-a-way-into-terrorists-iphone/38625342

On the eve of a court showdown with Apple, the Department of Justice wants to cancel the hearing, saying (...)"On Sunday, March 20, 2016, an outside party demonstrated to the FBI a possible method for unlocking Farook's iPhone. If the method is viable, it should eliminate the need for the assistance from Apple Inc."