GUILTY CA - Aramazd Andressian, 5, South Pasadena, 18 April 2017 #1

[DatelineFan]

Nothing about this case seems normal to me. I along with many divorced friends with kids never had to do an exchange at the police station. Geez maybe this innocent little boy would still be here if in the care of social services or family while these two parents ironed out their problems. So sad that little boy was probably used as a pawn.

I've heard of parents having to do the exchanges at police stations. Usually it's when the situation is extremely volatile. And IMO, suggests there's been at least threats of violence.

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[Whiteorchids]

I've heard of parents having to do the exchanges at police stations. Usually it's when the situation is extremely volatile. And IMO, suggests there's been at least threats of violence.

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Poor kid in the middle of that mess. Thats when its time to put your hate to rest for the well being of the children. Children didn't ask to be born into this.

 

[ann1989]

What does everyone think about the supposed sighting by the woman at the lake? We haven't really vetted it, and my gut says it's legit. It matters, because it would be the last time Ara Jr. is seen. I sincerely hope they are secretly searching the areas around that lake!

http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2017/04/26/missing-boy-aramazd-andressian/

Perhaps he was drinking not in the right mind allowed the little boy to sit in the front and maybe an accident happened he could have hit his head accidentally hurt him panicked and disposed of the body

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[DatelineFan]

Poor kid in the middle of that mess. Thats when its time to put your hate to rest for the well being of the children. Children didn't ask to be born into this.

I know. It's terrible. My mom made a lot of mistakes (as I'm sure many well-meaning parent does), but she divorced my biological father when I was quite young. Technically, my step-dad raised me with her. My bio dad is a complete loser. She has told us the facts of why things didn't work out, and I know he absolutely ripped her heart out. But not ONCE in my childhood or adult life has she spoken ill of him. The older I get, the more I respect her for it. Even when we (us "kids") talk negatively about him, she's quick to encourage us to show him respect, as he is our father. Thinking back, I can only imagine how much it pained her to say that after he cheated on her and lied to her and left us. I know she still hurts. But she will not say anything bad about him. It's been hard enough for me to deal with my feelings about him as an adult. I can only imagine how much more complicated it would be if my mom had filled us with hate, or made things really dramatic. Kids should never have to deal with adult situations.

Sorry, I just totally went off on a tangent. Basically, I think it's really important to put your kids first, no matter how much some deadbeat dad and husband ruined your life for a time.

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[DatelineFan]

Perhaps he was drinking not in the right mind allowed the little boy to sit in the front and maybe an accident happened he could have hit his head accidentally hurt him panicked and disposed of the body

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A car accident?

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[jellybean96]

What does everyone think about the supposed sighting by the woman at the lake? We haven't really vetted it, and my gut says it's legit. It matters, because it would be the last time Ara Jr. is seen. I sincerely hope they are secretly searching the areas around that lake!

I do not think the woman is credible. Mainly because if she truly believed he was drunk I think she would have tried to help the boy in the front seat. I also think her timeline is too broad - if she had indeed seen him, I think she could narrow it down a bit more. I think she is very specific about details when she supposedly only saw him as he drove by.

 

[creepcrusher]

Perhaps he was drinking not in the right mind allowed the little boy to sit in the front and maybe an accident happened he could have hit his head accidentally hurt him panicked and disposed of the body

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Maybe, but I imagine there would have been damage to the car if that were true.

 

[Whiteorchids]

A car accident?

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I would think there would be some damage to the car? I'm assuming cadaver dogs would have picked up decomp scent If boy was deceased in car. Unless he discarded boy quickly in OC. I don't know. This is a weird case.

 

[Whiteorchids]

I know. It's terrible. My mom made a lot of mistakes (as I'm sure many well-meaning parent does), but she divorced my biological father when I was quite young. Technically, my step-dad raised me with her. My bio dad is a complete loser. She has told us the facts of why things didn't work out, and I know he absolutely ripped her heart out. But not ONCE in my childhood or adult life has she spoken ill of him. The older I get, the more I respect her for it. Even when we (us "kids") talk negatively about him, she's quick to encourage us to show him respect, as he is our father. Thinking back, I can only imagine how much it pained her to say that after he cheated on her and lied to her and left us. I know she still hurts. But she will not say anything bad about him. It's been hard enough for me to deal with my feelings about him as an adult. I can only imagine how much more complicated it would be if my mom had filled us with hate, or made things really dramatic. Kids should never have to deal with adult situations.

Sorry, I just totally went off on a tangent. Basically, I think it's really important to put your kids first, no matter how much some deadbeat dad and husband ruined your life for a time.

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Im sorry you had to go through this. Hugs 🤗

 

[katydid23]

http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2017/...zd-andressian/
“It was between 11:30 [a.m.] and 2 o’clock [p.m.]” she said, “for sure. I saw the gray BMW, I was by myself.”

“He drove around again, and I made eye contact with him,” she says. “The little boy was watching my son play with his Marvel Avengers toys.”

She thought the father appeared to be crying and/or had been drinking. She said the boy was sitting in the front seat.

“When he was driving by,” she said, “he was kind of swerving on the grass. I thought maybe he had a couple of drinks in him.”

She said the man stopped at a trash bin for about a minute before driving off.
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She says 2 things that conflict with each other:

“for sure. I saw the gray BMW, I was by myself.”

“The little boy was watching my son play with his Marvel Avengers toys.”

 

[GigTu]

I do not think the woman is credible. Mainly because if she truly believed he was drunk I think she would have tried to help the boy in the front seat. I also think her timeline is too broad - if she had indeed seen him, I think she could narrow it down a bit more. I think she is very specific about details when she supposedly only saw him as he drove by.

In fact, I felt exactly the opposite about the timeline. I completely identified with it. Isn't it funny how we each surmise things?

When I am camping the only timeline I care about is dusk. Then I know it's time to prep for the impending dark so I get to work. I don't keep a watch handy or anything. For me, it's like... "who cares?" My camping weekends are filled with eating when I feel hungry, swimming, hiking, relaxation, fishing, sitting around a campfire chatting, or maybe playing dice games or cards at a picnic table. etc.

Therefore, I feel the timeline alone should not be a deterrent. Because she probably didn't know she had to remember anything until she saw it in the paper days later. It seems then, and only then would she piece together her recollection of the glance of a man in a silver BMW driving on the grass.

For example, let's say you were at an event last Friday, and glanced over to something that caught your eye for a brief moment. Then, you moved on about your day and the days following. You would not give that moment or glance a second thought. But, suddenly you see that same person (or whatever) in the news 4 days later, and you suddenly remember exactly that you saw them the days prior. If you weren't wearing a watch or keeping track of time, you might only have a window of time to compare against.

If you are a detailed person, you provide every tidbit of information you can remember, including the window of time you were out doing whatever you had been doing at the moment you saw what you saw.

About the drunk part.... she said he could have been crying. It was memorable, but not so much that she felt she should follow up. I don't think any of us can judge that.

 

[GigTu]

http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2017/...zd-andressian/
“It was between 11:30 [a.m.] and 2 o’clock [p.m.]” she said, “for sure. I saw the gray BMW, I was by myself.”
“He drove around again, and I made eye contact with him,” she says. “The little boy was watching my son play with his Marvel Avengers toys.”
She thought the father appeared to be crying and/or had been drinking. She said the boy was sitting in the front seat.
“When he was driving by,” she said, “he was kind of swerving on the grass. I thought maybe he had a couple of drinks in him.”
She said the man stopped at a trash bin for about a minute before driving off.
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She says 2 things that conflict with each other:
“for sure. I saw the gray BMW, I was by myself.”
“The little boy was watching my son play with his Marvel Avengers toys.”

Was her son in a different area, but she could still see him? I think we would need to know what "by myself" entails.

 

[Whiteorchids]

John and Ken KFI talk radio in Los Angeles were just talking about this case. They said that statement put out was a bunch of phoney baloney and that was written by the attorney not the Dad to pacify the public. The podcast should be posted this evening when it is I will post for you guys.

 

[DatelineFan]

I would think there would be some damage to the car? I'm assuming cadaver dogs would have picked up decomp scent If boy was deceased in car. Unless he discarded boy quickly in OC. I don't know. This is a weird case.

That's why I asked. I assume the same.

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[GigTu]

What if the accident didn't involve the car? What if this guy really was drunk, and he let his son drown? Or some other horrible scenario.....

Having said that... I think wherever Ara is, it's in a purposeful place and this dad put him there - as planned.

 

[katydid23]

Was her son in a different area, but she could still see him? I think we would need to know what "by myself" entails.

when i tried to go back to reread the article it said:

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does anyone have that original article saved?

 

[jellybean96]

What if the accident didn't involve the car? What if this guy really was drunk, and he let his son drown? Or some other horrible scenario.....

Having said that... I think wherever Ara is, it's in a purposeful place and this dad put him there - as planned.

I am leaning towards it being an accident - just not in the car. My guess is that dad lost his temper and harmed his son while drunk. Then he hid the body to lose evidence.

 

[GigTu]

when i tried to go back to reread the article it said:

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does anyone have that original article saved?

I just went to it with no issues.

http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2017/04/26/missing-boy-aramazd-andressian/

 

[Whiteorchids]

I just went to it with no issues.

http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2017/04/26/missing-boy-aramazd-andressian/

She sounds legit but but how do we know shes not a friend of his and why keep her identity hidden? She said he looked like he had been drinking or crying. How do you get all that from someone just driving by?

Why wont this guy volunteer to take lie detector if he's so innocent? We all know they don't stand up in a court of law but if he volunteered it makes him look a little less guilty of sinister behavior of course unless your guilty.

 

[katydid23]

She sounds legit but but how do we know shes not a friend of his and why keep her identity hidden? She said he looked like he had been drinking or crying. How do you get all that from someone just driving by?

Why wont this guy volunteer to take lie detector if he's so innocent? We all know they don't stand up in a court of law but if he volunteered it makes him look a little less guilty of sinister behavior of course unless your guilty.

I don't think she sounds all that credible.

She says:

She thought the father appeared to be crying and/or had been drinking. She said the boy was sitting in the front seat.

“When he was driving by,” she said, “he was kind of swerving on the grass. I thought maybe he had a couple of drinks in him.”



So this father is drunk, and crying while swerving around, on the grass, with his child in the front without a carseat, but she doesn't 'think much of the encounter' or alert a ranger...even though her own child is there playing with his toys?


"The woman said she thought of alerting a ranger but didn’t think much of the encounter until she saw photos of the man and his son all over the news Sunday."



It just doesn't ring true to me. I have been to that lake several times when our kids were younger. The lake is huge but the area for camping and walking around is pretty compact. If a drunk driver was swerving around on the grassy play area, I would sure as heck call 911 or go find the ranger. They have a booth at the entrance that is usually manned.