GUILTY CA - Aramazd Andressian, 5, South Pasadena, 18 April 2017 #2
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Here is the link to Gigi Graciette's page, <modsnip>
According to Gigi, LE confirmed several new witnesses, including a Park Ranger, saw AA sr at the lake, his car was stalled and they helped by giving him a push and a jump. He was alone, his son was not seen.
https://www.facebook.com/OfficialGigiGraciette/?fref=ts
There's been some speculation about the mother and I just want to say LE has stated she is not a suspect, I suspect she has a clear alibi for her whereabouts, she works and people probably saw her at work.
The father, however, has been "misleading and inconsistent" from the beginning, according to LE.
According to Gigi, LE confirmed several new witnesses, including a Park Ranger, saw AA sr at the lake, his car was stalled and they helped by giving him a push and a jump. He was alone, his son was not seen.
https://www.facebook.com/OfficialGigiGraciette/?fref=ts
There's been some speculation about the mother and I just want to say LE has stated she is not a suspect, I suspect she has a clear alibi for her whereabouts, she works and people probably saw her at work.
The father, however, has been "misleading and inconsistent" from the beginning, according to LE.
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If this was more well planned and if he is smarter than I've imagined, he could have handed off his son to someone in LA, the last confirmed sighting of AA Jr was on the surveillance camera leaving Disneyland, and then went up to the lake and drove around to throw LE off the trail.
Rarely have I seen crimes planned out that well, but it is possible.
I want to believe he didn't kill his son and Ara Jr is alive and hidden with someone.
I can't see him hiding him in Solvang area, he would be too obvious, if he was taken to a city in another state, maybe they could get away with it.
But if he is hidden and alive, how does AA Sr think he will ever be able to see his son again? He would have to prefer someone raising his son without his presence over sharing custody with the child's mother.
Rarely have I seen crimes planned out that well, but it is possible.
I want to believe he didn't kill his son and Ara Jr is alive and hidden with someone.
I can't see him hiding him in Solvang area, he would be too obvious, if he was taken to a city in another state, maybe they could get away with it.
But if he is hidden and alive, how does AA Sr think he will ever be able to see his son again? He would have to prefer someone raising his son without his presence over sharing custody with the child's mother.
I think he thought he could outsmart everyone by stating the boy was at the lake with him, all the while thinking they wouldn't a) find out from witnesses and cameras he wasn't and b) LE coming across evidence to show he was at other remote locations in the area. He also thought he could outsmart everyone by claiming he was knocked unconscious by an attack when a) he has no memory of one b) there are no physical signs or witnesses of one c) the <modsnip> pills combined with not having slept for 2 days straight could account for it.
Plus why why would he drive all the way to Santa Barbara if his plan was to say he was abducted at Arroyo park? Might as well get some sleep after Disneyland and spend the day in town then do the whole shinanigan at the park the following morning. That would seem less suspicious than spending an entire day at a lake plus very secluded roads and forests immediately following a very long day at Disneyland til 1am then driving all the way there.
As Judge Judy says, if it doesn't make sense, it's not true!
What I do agree with you is that it was extremely well planned and premeditated - a super fun day at the happiest place in the world with happy photo opps - what a nice guy he must be who has a great time with his kid surely he's innocent. Followed by a father son day at the lake (only problem the son wasn't with him). These are just my opinions and I'm praying little Jr. is found safe and alive.
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IMO, there's no way Jr. is alive with someone. Another poster up thread had a great post describing the lengths one would have to go to in order for this to be true. I like to have hope as well, but in this case it makes much more sense that this little guy is hidden somewhere and he hasn't been alive for some time now.
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You're right. I forgot about him saying he was abducted in Arroyo, I'm just trying to figure out a way for that beautiful child to be alive and I keep coming up empty handed.
Certainly, this all shows premeditation. The question is: to kill or to kidnap?
I would like to think that when a parent kills a child, this would be a result of affect or strong emotional involvement, or a result of serious mental illness. Would there be this much premeditation/preparation? I'd say unlikely...
Let's say the child is dead. The fact that there is some evidence found, but the search has been interrupted, may prompt the perpetrator to go to the location and remove whatever additional evidence that has not been found yet.
Let's say the child is safe and tucked away with somebody in Santa Ynez. The recent search in the area would disturb the status quo; so the holder of the child may want to move them.
Bottomline: the search and the surveillance of the area needed to be continued on Sunday as well. Who knows, after disturbing the hornet's nest the perpetrator may be caught red-handed trying to move the child or getting rid of the additional evidence.
I would like to think that when a parent kills a child, this would be a result of affect or strong emotional involvement, or a result of serious mental illness. Would there be this much premeditation/preparation? I'd say unlikely...
Let's say the child is dead. The fact that there is some evidence found, but the search has been interrupted, may prompt the perpetrator to go to the location and remove whatever additional evidence that has not been found yet.
Let's say the child is safe and tucked away with somebody in Santa Ynez. The recent search in the area would disturb the status quo; so the holder of the child may want to move them.
Bottomline: the search and the surveillance of the area needed to be continued on Sunday as well. Who knows, after disturbing the hornet's nest the perpetrator may be caught red-handed trying to move the child or getting rid of the additional evidence.
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In this picture you can see the far side of the lake. It is completely inaccessible ...you can rent a boat and motor over. The vast majority of the lake is difficult to reach.
That is entirely possible.
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That is a very possible explanation.
Totally makes sense.
So there is surveillance video of them leaving Disneyland at 1am and surveillance video of the father entering Cachuma lake grounds at 8am without the boy about 3 1/2 hour drive away. Mystery is what happened to the boy between point A and B during those unaccounted hours.
if his love for the boy is greater than his desire for his ex to suffer he will speak and recover the boy. But if that was the case he would never have gone missing in the first place.
if his love for the boy is greater than his desire for his ex to suffer he will speak and recover the boy. But if that was the case he would never have gone missing in the first place.
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Do you know what time he left Cachuma lake?
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Received a Google Alert this morning - thought I'd share.
Sherriff: Search for missing 5-year-old brought in new "areas of interest"
http://www.ksby.com/story/35638551/...g-5-year-old-brought-in-new-areas-of-interest
The sheriff's office says during the search, they found new areas of interest that they plan to cover in the near future. The search extended from Nojoqui Falls, Solvang to Lake Cachuma.
There were more than 235 personnel from So. Pasadena Police Dept., the Los Angeles County Fire dpet., and other search and rescue units from so. Calif.
Wonder if the Park Ranger gave them anything more - re "new areas of interest".
Sherriff: Search for missing 5-year-old brought in new "areas of interest"
http://www.ksby.com/story/35638551/...g-5-year-old-brought-in-new-areas-of-interest
The sheriff's office says during the search, they found new areas of interest that they plan to cover in the near future. The search extended from Nojoqui Falls, Solvang to Lake Cachuma.
There were more than 235 personnel from So. Pasadena Police Dept., the Los Angeles County Fire dpet., and other search and rescue units from so. Calif.
Wonder if the Park Ranger gave them anything more - re "new areas of interest".
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Also from the article:
The timeline of when he was possibly driving those routes is confusing to me. Is this partial timeline accurate? (found here: https://findingmissingpersons.wordpress.com/2017/04/29/where-is-5-year-old-aramazd-andressian-jr/)
We should update this timeline with any new information, including details and actual times when we know them. Early in the investigation, we learned that AA Sr's silver BMW was seen in OC early Friday. I don't think Ara Jr. was seen with him for this sighting, and that sighting was BEFORE Lake Cachuma. Perhaps he was sleeping in the seat (or in the trunk
). They are now searching a very specific area that follows a highway, and fine tuning their search based on information gathered during this weekend's search. I hope AA Sr. doesn't flee or get the chance to off himself in the next days.
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