Found Deceased CA - Audrey Moran, 26, & Jonathan Reynoso, 28, Riverside County, 10 May 2017 #2 *4 arrested*

[ellbee]

I'm thinking this news source (especially this specific one) can't be trusted. There's all kinds of wrong going on...

She left her sisters house not mothers, she text her mother not sister etc etc..

It was shared by her family on facebook, as you can see in the image, so I thought it could be somewhat reliable.

Either way, its fairly easy to assume at the time mentioned (8:47 or whatever it was) was what was reported by family members that were last in contact with her. And I don't think that knowing where that time came from would give us any indication of where she is now.


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[Force Ten]

hi, if I recall correctly the photo at the restaurant was taken a day or two before they went missing. The photo sent to the mother was of both audry and jon at his apartment taken at an earlier unknown date.
I'm trying to be helpful as sometimes the smallest detail can make a difference.
But sometimes I look for my glasses and I'm wearing them, so.

There's been so much misinformation about this piece. Yes the picture was taken the day before. I think it's safe to assume that the restaurant picture is the very same one sent to her mother, as they don't have Audrey's phone, how else would the media have the picture? I'm under the impression that the mother initially thought it was of AM and JR at his apartment and that is where that info comes from. I can't really go with the notion that they both made it back to his apartment.

 

[ellbee]

There's been so much misinformation about this piece. Yes the picture was taken the day before. I think it's safe to assume that the restaurant picture is the very same one sent to her mother, as they don't have Audrey's phone, how else would the media have the picture? I'm under the impression that the mother initially thought it was of AM and JR at his apartment and that is where that info comes from. I can't really go with the notion that they both made it back to his apartment.

This also confuses me because it's really obvious that the photo is taken in a restaurant or similar. How could she mistake that for JR's home? I really think there might be another photo that was not shared. That just makes no sense to me.


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[2bees]

It was shared by her family on facebook, as you can see in the image, so I thought it could be somewhat reliable.

Either way, its fairly easy to assume at the time mentioned (8:47 or whatever it was) was what was reported by family members that were last in contact with her. And I don't think that knowing where that time came from would give us any indication of where she is now.


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That's the most frustrating part of this whole case. Information is all over the place. I just watched the first KMIR special again and with regards to the text Kitty says 8:00 and mom says it was past 8 but nothing specific.

I wish a clean version of events would be posted somewhere for them. Part of me wants to write a script for Kitty's next special lol

 

[Force Ten]

This also confuses me because it's really obvious that the photo is taken in a restaurant or similar. How could she mistake that for JR's home? I really think there might be another photo that was not shared. That just makes no sense to me.


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Maybe she really didn't look to much into the detail. She sent her mom a text stating she was with Jonathon along with the pic.

 

[ellbee]

Maybe she really didn't look to much into the detail. She sent her mom a text stating she was with Jonathon along with the pic.

That is a possibility. Maybe she sent the picture in case her Mom didn't know who JR was.


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[2bees]

This also confuses me because it's really obvious that the photo is taken in a restaurant or similar. How could she mistake that for JR's home? I really think there might be another photo that was not shared. That just makes no sense to me.


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In one of the specials, it says that the picture of them is the same one that was text. Same way the wrong info was put out that it was sister that got the text I think wrong info was put out that it was a "selfie" and that it was taken at his apartment.

 

[Force Ten]

My dark theory is this. Take your clues and put them together. 28 years old. No job. No phone of record. No license. No car. Does that spell gentleman you bring home you want to bring home to mom or bad boy who may be up to shady dealings in Brawley?

From the interviews with the mom, by all appearances she seemed to know who Jonathan was. Maybe she met him once or twice. It could be she sent her the picture to remind her of who he was. There could have been more texts, more back and forth. Also the mother's account could have been edited. But we've never heard her say anything about NOT knowing who he was, or had cause for alarm regarding him.

 

[Force Ten]

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My experience in following cases is that conflicting accounts or bad info is pretty common. Also LE typically likes for the family not to say much, even to correct an account.

 

[ellbee]

My experience in following cases is that conflicting accounts or bad info is pretty common. Also LE typically likes for the family not to say much, even to correct an account.

I think that it's more common when there is foul play involved. I'm interested to know what the last texts/calls on their phones were and where.

I wish we had more answers.


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[offdutycriminologist]

In light of some of the earlier discussion about how people can just "disappear," many people ask me if people can really just disappear and what happens to them. This article explains it well.

http://www.philly.com/philly/column...-dont-we-care-about-all-of-them-20170723.html

 

[2bees]

In light of some of the earlier discussion about how people can just "disappear," many people ask me if people can really just disappear and what happens to them. This article explains it well.

http://www.philly.com/philly/column...-dont-we-care-about-all-of-them-20170723.html

I feel really bad typing this out, for a few reasons and I hope not to offend anyone... but I sometimes wonder if because this case has no signs of foul play that it isn't a top priority to investigators? Crimes are committed every day and with evidence. So as much as I'd like to think this investigation is on the top of some list, I get the feeling it might not be. Especially if the thought is that they might have taken off on their own accord. Not taking anything away from LE, I'm coming from an angle that understands that there are plenty of things happening in the world to keep them busy but I also think about how long it's been and realistically, how many leads are still out there that haven't been looked into at this point?

Since there is a detective assigned does that mean a part of his day is dedicated to the case or just when any leads surface or how does that work? I'd like to better understand the process.

 

[offdutycriminologist]

I feel really bad typing this out, for a few reasons and I hope not to offend anyone... but I sometimes wonder if because this case has no signs of foul play that it isn't a top priority to investigators? Crimes are committed every day and with evidence. So as much as I'd like to think this investigation is on the top of some list, I get the feeling it might not be. Especially if the thought is that they might have taken off on their own accord. Not taking anything away from LE, I'm coming from an angle that understands that there are plenty of things happening in the world to keep them busy but I also think about how long it's been and realistically, how many leads are still out there that haven't been looked into at this point?

Since there is a detective assigned does that mean a part of his day is dedicated to the case or just when any leads surface or how does that work? I'd like to better understand the process.

It all depends on the department and their caseload. If that detective gets called out to a homicide (since the case is assigned to homicide) then that takes immediate priority. In law enforcement and criminal justice in general, it's a very fine balancing act. You don't prioritize your caseload based on how "good" a person is/was or what color they are/were or any societal factors like that. You go to work and you give every case its due attention to the best of your ability. I use Excel so much they really should charge me/my organization more for it. I don't think a suspected voluntary disappearance would put them farther down the priority list because you don't know it was voluntary until you find them.

 

[2bees]

It all depends on the department and their caseload. If that detective gets called out to a homicide (since the case is assigned to homicide) then that takes immediate priority. In law enforcement and criminal justice in general, it's a very fine balancing act. You don't prioritize your caseload based on how "good" a person is/was or what color they are/were or any societal factors like that. You go to work and you give every case its due attention to the best of your ability. I use Excel so much they really should charge me/my organization more for it. I don't think a suspected voluntary disappearance would put them farther down the priority list because you don't know it was voluntary until you find them.

Thank you, this is good info. I suppose it's what I figured but for whatever reason it feels better having been said by someone else. Plus, the last part about not knowing whether or not it was voluntary is so important. I wish we even just knew that much.

 

[Welch]

So I was thinking... here it's mention a lot that maybe someone else used JR Phone to get Audrey to an isolated place. So from a previous post someone mention JR did not had a cellphone line plan that he only used wifi to communicate.
So won't they be able to tract that internet wifi Id??
Also if someone used his phone they would need his password depending on the phone. For example the iPhone you need the password or the finger print to open a cellphone.

Another theory... maybe they stopped to help someone on the road? There was a case many many years ago about a pregnant women who used to ask for help on the freeeway and her accomplices waiting inside the car. It was a gang that used to kidnap people.

 

[Spiritecho]

If I am recalling correctly, Audrey's phone ping more in her 'home' area, not towards Brawley, not towards Beaumont, not towards Palm Desert. Am I recalling that correctly? For some reason I can't get the search function to work.
Nothing has been stated as to Jon's phone pings?

 

[htiff]

If I am recalling correctly, Audrey's phone ping more in her 'home' area, not towards Brawley, not towards Beaumont, not towards Palm Desert. Am I recalling that correctly? For some reason I can't get the search function to work.
Nothing has been stated as to Jon's phone pings?

It's hard to tell. Some news reports state AM didn't ping that night outside East Coachella Valley, which is south of where AM lived. Some have her pinging only in the vicinity of her home and JDR's.


The one report that does seem to be consistent, is that AM's phone doesn't ping in Beaumont that night.

But, again, who knows?

I think the reports are too varied to be sure of much.

 

[offdutycriminologist]

If I am recalling correctly, Audrey's phone ping more in her 'home' area, not towards Brawley, not towards Beaumont, not towards Palm Desert. Am I recalling that correctly? For some reason I can't get the search function to work.
Nothing has been stated as to Jon's phone pings?

Audrey's phone did not ping outside the "East Coachella Valley" that night. I'll edit with a citation- too lazy to get one while on my phone right now. JDR's records have either not been acquired or not been released yet.

 

[Force Ten]

Audrey's phone did not ping outside the "East Coachella Valley" that night. I'll edit with a citation- too lazy to get one while on my phone right now. JDR's records have either not been acquired or not been released yet.

That's what's so strange. We had AM's phone info almost immediately, yet nothing for JR.

 

[offdutycriminologist]

That's what's so strange. We had AM's phone info almost immediately, yet nothing for JR.

Pure speculation, but since her phone never pinged outside her last known destination, maybe she turned it off, and maybe his got tossed. That lends a little credence to the voluntary disappearance theory. If he was using a wifi only or a throwaway phone you get at a store that's "untraceable" (everything is traceable) but that was prepaid, maybe that's how he was texting and using data. You can get smartphones at Walmart that way now. I'm not exactly sure how the carrier works or what information you have to give to activate the phone but I know they're advertised as "prepaid" and "no credit required." Just a thought.