Found Deceased CA - Barbara Thomas, 69, from Bullhead City AZ, disappeared in Mojave desert, 12 July 2019 #14

[Officer Dibble]

thanks TL
from above article
The San Bernardino County Sheriff's Department began to pursue other leads in August 2019 after searches for her were unsuccessful. Her husband hired an attorney after he was reported by San Bernardino County Sheriff’s deputies to have failed a polygraph test in July, according to previous News-Herald reporting.

Did we know RT failed a poly?

I didn't.

 

[anneg]

I didn't.

I don't think we know that he "failed a poly." We do know that he said LE told him that it showed deception. But we don't know if that is correct.

 

[Rural_PC]

I don't think we know that he "failed a poly." We do know that he said LE told him that it showed deception. But we don't know if that is correct.

Exactly. Cops lie.

I wish the family or the authorities would issue a statement regarding how far away from the search area she was found.

 

[anneg]

Exactly. Cops lie.

I wish the family or the authorities would issue a statement regarding how far away from the search area she was found.

I'd like to know where she was found, but I don't think that information is going to be made available. My theory, for what it's worth, is that she was not far outside the area searched. But she could have been in the search area and not found--we know this happens. *My opinion only*

 

[Rural_PC]

I'd like to know where she was found, but I don't think that information is going to be made available. My theory, for what it's worth, is that she was not far outside the area searched. But she could have been in the search area and not found--we know this happens. *My opinion only*

Agreed.

 

[Cherwell]

I wish the family or the authorities would issue a statement regarding how far away from the search area she was found.

A family member did, but unfortunately not on a platform acceptable to WS.

 

[Rural_PC]

A family member did, but unfortunately not on a platform acceptable to WS.

Thanks, yes I should have phrased that differently.

All the best Cherwell!

 

[Vern]

I didn't mention any roads? The point I was making is that the place where the Thomases parked would come under the description of "Essex" or "near Essex".

Before the Google map was updated, if you hovered over the spot, it used to be flagged up as Essex. There's probably a screen grab of it somewhere in these threads. Perhaps it still does in different browsers. Now I'm getting nothing if I hover, just a label with 'San Bernadino County' if I click on it.

Indeed that screen grab is here. Post 966 from thread 13 is a hover over Kelbaker Road where they parked and google maps clearly states, "Essex, CA, 92332, USA"

Found Deceased - CA - Barbara Thomas, 69, from Bullhead City AZ, disappeared in Mojave desert, 12 July 2019 #13

Edit to add:
And, interestingly enough, if you right click on the actual "Hidden Hills Road" (on the roadway itself) and just under the little "i" in Hidden, and select "What's here", google maps still shows the tag as "ESSEX, CA". If you click on the parking lot itself, it shows as San Bernadino County.

 

[Cherwell]

Thank you! It was me who posted it too, and I didn't remember!

 

[glamourkitty1922]

Indeed that screen grab is here. Post 966 from thread 13 is a hover over Kelbaker Road where they parked and google maps clearly states, "Essex, CA, 92332, USA"

Found Deceased - CA - Barbara Thomas, 69, from Bullhead City AZ, disappeared in Mojave desert, 12 July 2019 #13

Edit to add:
And, interestingly enough, if you right click on the actual "Hidden Hills Road" (on the roadway itself) and just under the little "i" in Hidden, and select "What's here", google maps still shows the tag as "ESSEX, CA". If you click on the parking lot itself, it shows as San Bernadino County.

Essex is in San Bernardino County. I live close to Essex. The Mojave Desert is beautiful. Death Valley is located in the Mojave Desert.

 

[MissMYB]

Still no cause of death or any real information regarding where she was found that I can see. At least with Paul Miller we got some updated information as to where he was found and how he may have succumbed to the heat. Makes me wonder why, if she wasn't a victim of foul play, we haven't heard anything more. After all isn't this basically the same county??

Things that make you go hmmmmmmmmmmm

 

[Seattle1]

Still no cause of death or any real information regarding where she was found that I can see. At least with Paul Miller we got some updated information as to where he was found and how he may have succumbed to the heat. Makes me wonder why, if she wasn't a victim of foul play, we haven't heard anything more. After all isn't this basically the same county??

Things that make you go hmmmmmmmmmmm

There is no statute of limitations on murder.

IMO, we've not learned any details to protect the integrity of the investigation. There would be no reason for LE to not announce the case closed and her death attributed to misadventure -- if they believed this was true.

I've been following the murder of then 29 yr old Cathleen Krauseneck since 1982, and after 40 years, her then-husband will face trial for her murder in Brighton, NY next Tuesday.

 

[MissMYB]

There is no statute of limitations on murder.

IMO, we've not learned any details to protect the integrity of the investigation. There would be no reason for LE to not announce the case closed and her death attributed to misadventure -- if they believed this was true.

I've been following the murder of then 29 yr old Cathleen Krauseneck since 1982, and after 40 years, her then-husband will face trial for her murder in Brighton, NY next Tuesday.

DING DING DING DING DING!!!!!!

 

[Kemug]

I've been following the murder of then 29 yr old Cathleen Krauseneck since 1982, and after 40 years, her then-husband will face trial for her murder in Brighton, NY next Tuesday.

And here in Oz, Chris Dawson has just been found guilty of the murder of his wife Lynette, also 40 years ago.

 

[Knitty]

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[sunshineray]

Does anyone know the exact distance from where their RV was parked and where BT was found?

 

[Curiousobserver]

Does anyone know the exact distance from where their RV was parked and where BT was found?

There are posts in this thread(s) that give this information.

 

[anneg]

There are posts in this thread(s) that give this information.

I don't recall seeing any posts that gave the exact location where B's remains were found by the hikers. IIRC, that information was discussed in a private FaceBook group that I didn't have access to.

 

[Seattle1]

I don't recall seeing any posts that gave the exact location where B's remains were found by the hikers. IIRC, that information was discussed in a private FaceBook group that I didn't have access to.

I believe the following details from MSM and Nixle alert are the best we have on the location where BT's remains were recovered. I don't have fb and probably wouldn't believe that source if I did. JMO

Hi @La Louve. The link below is the last info we have AFAIK. It mentions that Barbara’s remains were found “in a field off Kelbaker Road.” Some have believed that Barbara was never anywhere near where the RV was parked. When I said that “Barb has been found close to where she was last seen by RT,” I meant that she was found in the general vicinity (Kelbaker Rd) rather than in a totally different area as some had speculated. We don’t know how far from the RV she was found, of course, so it remains to be seen whether she could have gotten there on her own and whether it was within the area searched.

IMO Barbara was able to get beyond the search area in the hours before the search started, possibly dehydrated and disoriented. I’ve always believed that RT’s brief stop to take a photo was longer than he thought it was, which meant that Barbara was out of sight by the time he looked up. To me this makes more sense than a nefarious scenario but it’s JMO.
Missing Person/Death Investigation - the human remains found have been positively identified as ... from SBSD - Colorado River Sheriffs Department : Nixle
UPDATE – December 18, 2020
On November 27, 2020 two people were hiking in a field off Kelbaker Road when they discovered human remains. On November 28th a further search was conducted, and additional bones and evidence was recovered.
The remains have been positively identified as Barbara Thomas. The cause of death is pending.
No other details are available for release at this time.

From where the hikers (that located the remains) were reportedly walking, I've always thought the following reference to Essex, CA in error and most likely should read near "Essex Road" and not Essex, CA. MOO

From the link:

In July 2019, Barbara Thomas, 69, was hiking with her husband, Robert, in the desert about 20 miles north of the I-40 freeway east of Kelbaker Road. During the hike, Barbara and Robert allegedly got separated.

According to Supervisor Jeff Lewison of the San Bernardino County Sheriff Coroner's Division, her body was located on November 27 of this year in the desert near Essex, California.

 

[Seattle1]

Does anyone know the exact distance from where their RV was parked and where BT was found?

No exact location has been disclosed. (At least not by any WS-approved source).

Missing Person/Death Investigation - the human remains found have been positively identified as ... from SBSD - Colorado River Sheriffs Department : Nixle

DATE/TIME: July 12, 2019 2:30 pm **UPDATE** INCIDENT: Missing Person/Death Investigation LOCATION: Kelbaker Road/Hidden Hills near I-40 VICTIM: Barbara Thomas, 69 years old, ...

local.nixle.com

VICTIM: Barbara Thomas, 69 years old, resident of Bullhead City, AZ
DESCRIPTION: 5'9, 130 lbs., Blonde hair, Green eyes, last seen wearing a black bikini, a red baseball cap and tan hiking boots with black socks

**********UPDATE – December 18, 2020***************
On November 27, 2020 two people were hiking in a field off Kelbaker Road when they discovered human remains. On November 28th a further search was conducted, and additional bones and evidence was recovered.

The remains have been positively identified as Barbara Thomas. The cause of death is pending.
No other details are available for release at this time.

ETA: Given BT went missing on 7/12/2019, I think it's fair to say the hikers did not discover her intact, complete, skeleton, but obviously human.

A further search by authorities resulted in the discovery of additional human bones. I believe there's probably a general area where KB was recovered (off Kelbaker Rd) but I don't believe there will ever be a known, exact location.