CA CA - Barbara Thomas, 69, from Bullhead City AZ, disappeared in Mojave desert, 12 July 2019 #5

[dbdb11]

Thank You PommyMommy


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Lucky Bird Nos. 1 and 2 claims, Van Winkle Mountain, San Bernardino Co., California, USA

Quartz mine
Quartz: Mineral information, data and localities.

Located on the other side of the road where search teams were focused.

anyone on the ground available to check this out at all? @sroads you out there?

 

[Lilibet]

anyone on the ground available to check this out at all? @sroads you out there?

It’s @sroad just to make sure the alert goes through.

 

[LietKynes]

Some good 'detectives' in this case would be surveillance cams.

For instance-- is there any security footage at the kennels ?
Some places have them for the employee's safety.
(for instance-- if someone's dog is hurt and it wasn't the employee's fault -- the cameras would show what happened)

So, inside and out in the parking lot showing the front door/drop off areas ?

Then we'd know --at least at that time -- what Barbara was wearing.

Not sure why-- but the bikini description niggles at my mind.

We still don't know if the photo of her in the red visor and black bikini top were taken that day.

Thanks also to PommyMommy , and everyone else -- who have been contributing to this thread to help find Barbara.
That is all that matters.

 

[dbdb11]

We can't sleuth RT (ex-wives) on the thread but here's what I've gathered about Barbara - mostly from dbdb11.

What we know about Barbara

Barbara (“BT”) is 69 years old, 5’9” tall weighing 130 pounds, with blonde/white hair and green eyes. She has a son, Matt, who lives in Indiana. Matt’s children call BT “Grandma Barbie.” BT has been married to RT since Nov 2006.

BT has two brothers. She is particularly close with her younger brother (dbdb11's father) who lives in Hong Kong and is seriously ill. She regularly mailed hallmarks and postcards of travels and adventures with photos to her brother in HK. Her brothers are estranged from one another.

She is a loving lady, loving aunt, loving mother whose son gave her a pretty hard time. BT raised Matt on her own and lived near her mother. dbdb11 said she is tough, not the type of aunt who spoils you, but warm and quick to smile.

BT is a regular and avid camper; an outdoorsy type who regularly traversed the desert. She enjoys collecting rocks for their rock garden and is fond of gnarly wood pieces. Both BT and RT like bottle hunting and finding leftover prospector knickknacks, flints etc. Bikini, beer, and hiking boots are BT's style.

She went to school for art but it is unknown if she ever graduated. Art was seen by dbdb11 in her apartment, pre-RT – her own sculptures and paintings. She painted "Iggy," dbdb11's pet iguana and gave him the painting. When she visited HK in May 2018, she brought a stick (like driftwood but from the desert) which she had painted and gave it to dbdb11’s dad.

BT used to be a cat lady who also had a dog. Her cats would always stay hidden when dbdb11’s family would visit but her dogs were always very loving. She’s always had at least one dog, and since meeting RT has transitioned fully into dog person. She/they currently have a dog named Lexi who was taken to a kennel on the morning of July 12, the day she disappeared.

Robbie brokered a home sale for her, and that is how they first met. He also helped sell her mother’s condo after she moved into permanent care facility. They would eat out on occasion in casinos but dbdb11 never had the impression that either of them liked gambling. He also said that he never had any reason to suspect they weren't completely in love with one another but he had very little interaction with them in the grand scheme.

BT is not tech savvy and has never had a cell phone. She had to be taught how to use one while visiting Hong Kong. Both her son and her sister-in-law claim Barb expressed wanting a phone, but she never got one.

BT and RT have the usual marital arguments which dbdb11's parents describe as comical and entertaining.

She was very excited about Trump - for something politically different. She tried to sell dbdb11 on him as the answer to America's problems. They could get into really good political conversations, but she is a stubborn woman and rarely if ever does dbdb11 remember her ceding any of her views.

It is dbdb’s opinion that there is no way Barb would willingly jump in a car just to get back to the camper faster. Impossible in his mind. Unless under extreme distress, she would not get into a strangers car around there for any reason.

LE said they are unaware of any medical conditions that may have caused BT to become disoriented or lost.

MOO

couldnt have explained it better myself. i am starting think pommy mommy is an office with twenty full time staff!

 

[?mysterian?]

couldnt have explained it better myself. i am starting think pommy mommy is an office with twenty full time staff!

She's a very valuable asset here, among others (I think she has a basement full of minions)

Thank you for sharing Barbara with us. I hope this is resolved soon.

 

[PommyMommy]

Just got back from a lovely day out and about.
Thank you for clarifying this info; much more manageable I think?
If someone can post a map with where their home is vs. where they supposedly went hiking, I will tell you exactly where I would look.....

Roses

AZ - AZ - Barbara Thomas, 69, Timeline, Media, Maps, *NO DISCUSSION*

 

[10ofRods]

We can't sleuth RT (ex-wives) on the thread but here's what I've gathered about Barbara - mostly from dbdb11.

What we know about Barbara

Barbara (“BT”) is 69 years old, 5’9” tall weighing 130 pounds, with blonde/white hair and green eyes. She has a son, Matt, who lives in Indiana. Matt’s children call BT “Grandma Barbie.” BT has been married to RT since Nov 2006.

BT has two brothers. She is particularly close with her younger brother (dbdb11's father) who lives in Hong Kong and is seriously ill. She regularly mailed hallmarks and postcards of travels and adventures with photos to her brother in HK. Her brothers are estranged from one another.

She is a loving lady, loving aunt, loving mother whose son gave her a pretty hard time. BT raised Matt on her own and lived near her mother. dbdb11 said she is tough, not the type of aunt who spoils you, but warm and quick to smile.

BT is a regular and avid camper; an outdoorsy type who regularly traversed the desert. She enjoys collecting rocks for their rock garden and is fond of gnarly wood pieces. Both BT and RT like bottle hunting and finding leftover prospector knickknacks, flints etc. Bikini, beer, and hiking boots are BT's style.

She went to school for art but it is unknown if she ever graduated. Art was seen by dbdb11 in her apartment, pre-RT – her own sculptures and paintings. She painted "Iggy," dbdb11's pet iguana and gave him the painting. When she visited HK in May 2018, she brought a stick (like driftwood but from the desert) which she had painted and gave it to dbdb11’s dad.

BT used to be a cat lady who also had a dog. Her cats would always stay hidden when dbdb11’s family would visit but her dogs were always very loving. She’s always had at least one dog, and since meeting RT has transitioned fully into dog person. She/they currently have a dog named Lexi who was taken to a kennel on the morning of July 12, the day she disappeared.

Robbie brokered a home sale for her, and that is how they first met. He also helped sell her mother’s condo after she moved into permanent care facility. They would eat out on occasion in casinos but dbdb11 never had the impression that either of them liked gambling. He also said that he never had any reason to suspect they weren't completely in love with one another but he had very little interaction with them in the grand scheme.

BT is not tech savvy and has never had a cell phone. She had to be taught how to use one while visiting Hong Kong. Both her son and her sister-in-law claim Barb expressed wanting a phone, but she never got one.

BT and RT have the usual marital arguments which dbdb11's parents describe as comical and entertaining.

She was very excited about Trump - for something politically different. She tried to sell dbdb11 on him as the answer to America's problems. They could get into really good political conversations, but she is a stubborn woman and rarely if ever does dbdb11 remember her ceding any of her views.

It is dbdb’s opinion that there is no way Barb would willingly jump in a car just to get back to the camper faster. Impossible in his mind. Unless under extreme distress, she would not get into a strangers car around there for any reason.

LE said they are unaware of any medical conditions that may have caused BT to become disoriented or lost.

MOO

This is amazing and such a great piece of reporting. Thank you so much. Can't get the case off my mind, but couldn't think what to say - thank you.

 

[cazador]

anyone on the ground available to check this out at all? @sroads you out there?

It is a strip mine dbd11@ .. It is all above ground.
What if she wandered out there beyond the RV looking for Quartz ? ..slipped and fell ?
I want to know if that helicopter searched it...

Silence on LE and SAR is disturbing in this case of a Missing Person !!...
Is this a murder investigation ??

 

[Cherwell]

At the very beginning it was a few days, it has since been changed to 5 days from misquoted repeats.

I certainly read ''five days'' somewhere. Apologies if it was incorrect.
Whether it was five days or "a few" days doesn't affect the point I was making, which was the unlikelihood of B wanting to take the dog with them in such hot weather.

 

[?mysterian?]

This is amazing and such a great piece of reporting. Thank you so much. Can't get the case off my mind, but couldn't think what to say - thank you.

O/T: Hey @10ofRods, thank you for becoming verified. Your input is appreciated here @ WS!

Back on-topic: Haven't heard anything back yet from the emails I sent a couple of days ago to the media resources from the list posted earlier. Has anyone gotten a reply?

 

[10ofRods]

Here's a map from Bullhead to Kelbaker/Hidden Hill (which is where the SBSCo Dispatch log says they sent help at 3:26 pm Friday July 12):

Imgur

Two different routes. We don't know which one. The closeness to I-40 makes that the most likely route. 90+ miles with exits ever 2-5 miles in both directions and tons of desert on both sides of I-40. Mojave Trails National Preserve (even more deserted) is to the south...starts about 10 miles south of Kelbaker/Hidden Hills.

 

[Tillicum]

What about digital billboards?

 

[10ofRods]

O/T: Hey 10ofRods, thank you for becoming verified. Your input is appreciated here @ WS!

Back on-topic: Haven't heard anything back yet from the emails I sent a couple of days ago to the media resources from the list posted earlier. Has anyone gotten a reply?

Thank you! It was a big step for me (part of retiring, I guess - I'm not quite to retired, but need some things to do when I do call it quits). I'm definitely slowing down.

I love this particular thread-community. So impressed with what everyone's doing.

 

[Snoopster]

I believe that where the dog is currently would tell us greatly how RT felt about it and/or Barbara's love and mothering of it and his respect of that.
A good question would be where is the dog right this minute?

Exactly. This is why I've been focused on the dog for the past month.
The canary in the coal mine.

 

[Snoopster]

I want to know if RT is going to the Losers Lounge at the Riverside since BT has been missing.

I'm with you on that!
(ooops, sorry, shouldn't have put the exclamation point on that.)

 

[PommyMommy]

O/T: Hey @10ofRods, thank you for becoming verified. Your input is appreciated here @ WS!

Back on-topic: Haven't heard anything back yet from the emails I sent a couple of days ago to the media resources from the list posted earlier. Has anyone gotten a reply?

I haven't received any replies yet either but sooner or later, it will pay off if we can get enough people to email. We also need to keep liking, sharing, and commenting on every SM post concerning Barbara. MOO

I second that thank you, @10ofRods!

What about digital billboards?

That's a good idea. I know Lamar Advertising works with NCMEC to put up boards for missing children but I don't know about other companies. Will you research? I'd love to see Barbara up on the "big screen."

 

[anneg]

Here's a map from Bullhead to Kelbaker/Hidden Hill (which is where the SBSCo Dispatch log says they sent help at 3:26 pm Friday July 12):

Imgur

Two different routes. We don't know which one. The closeness to I-40 makes that the most likely route. 90+ miles with exits ever 2-5 miles in both directions and tons of desert on both sides of I-40. Mojave Trails National Preserve (even more deserted) is to the south...starts about 10 miles south of Kelbaker/Hidden Hills.

It looks like an alternate route could also be taken by going west on 163 from Bullhead City, north on 95, west on Nipton Rd, south on Ivanpah Rd and Morning Star Mine Rd to Cima and Kelso, and then south on Kelbaker Rd. (Sorry, I have yet to figure out how to post a map!)

ETA that the Imgur map posted above shows this alternate route.

 

[rosesfromangels]

AZ - AZ - Barbara Thomas, 69, Timeline, Media, Maps, *NO DISCUSSION*

Thank you so much PommyMommy! I will study this, and post my thoughts as quickly after I analyze this.

Roses

 

[Tillicum]

I haven't received any replies yet either but sooner or later, it will pay off if we can get enough people to email. We also need to keep liking, sharing, and commenting on every SM post concerning Barbara. MOO

I second that thank you, @10ofRods!

That's a good idea. I know Lamar Advertising works with NCMEC to put up boards for missing children but I don't know about other companies. Will you research? I'd love to see Barbara up on the "big screen."

Lamar did a billboard for Cheryl Coker in my area. She was 46. I'll see what I can find out. Celebrating 2 grandkids' birthdays tomorrow so probably Monday before I'll have any information.

 

[GordianKnot]

kennel confirmed it. websleuths were the first to reach out

@dbdb11, when you say the kennel confirmed it, do you mean the kennel confirmed that LE had contacted them, or did you mean that they confirmed something else?