CA CA - Bob Harrod, 81, Orange County, 27 July 2009 - #10

[Cubby]

Again, I have to go back, as I have forgotten some of what I have read. Did this hairdresser allow Bob to give her money, outside of her pay for doing his / his wife's hair, that is?

I agree with you, but depending on the character of the person, there are always those who are looking for someone to take advantage of. And if she took money from him and didn't pay it back, that makes me question her character, jmo. So if she did, did she pay him back? TIA

I guess what is most important here is LE has stated via MSM she is cleared of any involvement in Mr. Harrod's disappearance. After all what matters here is what happened to Bob and who is responsible. Her character may be whatever, but for our purposes we're only interested relative to Mr. Harrod's disappearance, and LE has cleared her of any involvement.

 

[Cubby]

I'm so disappointed I can't get that channel here. Anyone know if it's likely to be available to download at some point? Hope so. I'm also keeping my fingers crossed that someone will be kind enough to post a little summary after it airs, so I don't feel toooo left out.

It looks like the disappeared episodes can be viewed online sometime after they air on television.

Investigative Discovery is part of the basic cable in most area's afaik. Though, that would be in the states only. Not sure outside of the states.

I'm sure once the episode is available online it will be linked here.

 

[zwiebel]

A few pages back believe09 mentioned the strange dynamics of the family, not encountered before. It's been playing on my mind and I finally recalled a case. Couldn't remember the name of the victims, perps or even the decade but I did recall it was an Island off England.
I started in Ireland and worked my way round the coast so it's taken a long time as the case was actually in Jersey. Hope it's okay to post the link - it's an archive of cases, not a forum.
ETA. It was a forum and a hacked one at that. Sorry. Here's a MSM link, not quite as much info about the family dynamics:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ents-1million-inheritance-set-leave-jail.html

 

[zwiebel]

Much better info at the good old British Broadcasting Corporation. I should have looked there first.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/jersey/content/articles/2007/10/22/newell_20_years_feature.shtml

 

[suzyq211]

Much better info at the good old British Broadcasting Corporation. I should have looked there first.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/jersey/content/articles/2007/10/22/newell_20_years_feature.shtml

Roderick was released last year after serving around 12 years of his double life sentence


Now THAT'S horrifying!!

 

[zwiebel]

Gosh, those comments under the BBC article. Sounds like his fellow soldiers found him charming, just like my uncle. I've been to Jersey and they have the prettiest cows I've ever seen in my life but it's quite clannish.
Sorry to ramble but I seem to be talking to myself here. Where is everyone?

 

[zwiebel]

Hello suzyq211, I completely missed that 12 years bit. F12 years served for a double life sentence and a share of a multimillion dollar inheritance when released? Just hope whoever is responsible for Mr Harrod's disappearance doesn't get a deal like these guys did.

 

[Cubby]

LE/the prosecution may consider a deal in exchange for Mr. Harrod's remains - at some point. :sigh: It would be nice to be at that point - post arrest and discussing the possibility of a deal in exchange for the location of Mr. Harrod's remains.

Where is Bob?

Authorities are asking anyone with information about Harrod's disappearance to contact
detective Dave Radomski at 714-993-8176,
or contact the homicide hotline at 714-993-8166.

 

[zwiebel]

Cubby, do you think LE are still investigating or just waiting for somebody to talk or the recovery of remains? I don't want to be bleak but I think there is very little hope now that Bob is still alive.

 

[Cubby]

IDK, zwiebel. I'd love to be wrong, but I don't have much hope Bob is alive and well out there some where either.

 

[believe09]

I think there is more MSM indicating that it wasnt a walk away. Again, that leaves very few choices.

I bounce back and forth constantly in my mind as to whether or not this might have been a confrontation gone terribly wrong scenario or maybe some very quick planning by someone who thought they knew Bob's habits.

 

[believe09]

Cubby, do you think LE are still investigating or just waiting for somebody to talk or the recovery of remains? I don't want to be bleak but I think there is very little hope now that Bob is still alive.

:blushing: JMO, but I think we have an engaged LE. I think PPD is continuing their efforts, they are just doing it off of the grid.

Disappeared really couldnt have done the story without PPD's cooperation. I dont necessarily feel like the show will be the magic bullet here, but I think the national attention will energize this case and maybe even shake loose a few tips. JMVHO.

 

[zwiebel]

believe09 I agree (and not just because you got inside my head after just a few posts!) I do get the impression LE are still interested and maybe biding their time?
At the risk of making myself very unpopular, I'm going to bring up tax.
Round my way, there's a big difference between a loan and a gift. I mean, one gets you a break and the other gets you a tax demand that is taken out of your account automatically. You can argue for a refund later but vagueness about who gave what and when is nicht in ordnung! (not in order). You either pay or get a fine or go to jail.
So what happens over your way if say, I was to take a loan from a family member for hundreds of thousands of dollars but at some point I stopped repayments, got a bit vague and forgetful and took it as a gift instead? Would I get a a big tax bill and are those records publicly available?

 

[cloudajo]

The lack of action and information from some quarters is what has really bothered me. An elderly man who can't walk well, doesn't drive much and had fixed a visit from his CL suddenly ups and disappears and nothing much happens among biological family for hours. There has been a little info about fear and following the rules (not wanting to upset Dad if he's run off by reporting him missing, and then 'having' to follow the 24-hour time lapse rule) but it doesn't sit right with me. There's a time and place for fear and following rules and this probably wasn't one of them.
And as for the reward for information from which family are excluded????? I still cannot believe that is true. Not doubting any posters, but why? What possible reason?:waitasec:

Good question. I can't link but a google search will bring up the link. Here is the exact wording at the bottom of the reward poster:

ANY PERSON WHO AIDS AND ABETS THE COMMISSION OF A CRIME HAS NO RIGHT TO A REWARD.​

FAMILY MEMBERS OR RELATIVES OF THE FAMILY MEMBER ARE EXCLUDED FROM CLAIMING THIS REWARD.

 

[GrainneDhu]

I would like to come back to the undisputed heated family meeting the night before and whether or not it is possible that it would have some bearing on the events of the next day.

Even AH mentioned the meeting in the Police report at the time of the well being check.

And I am still puzzled why Fontelle would need to file a MP report from MO at midnight her time-why didnt those folks with feet on the ground bother to do it themselves?

So confusing.

The thing about Fontelle having to file the report was puzzling to me.

Many years ago, I was working in a social services type position and I had a bunch of volunteers that I supervised. There was one volunteer that I knew had a serious disability and I knew she'd lived alone since her husband died. She had a son but he lived out of town and while I had his home number, I did not have his work number.

One day, she didn't show up for her volunteer shift. She was so reliable, I just knew something was wrong. I called 911 and asked them to do a welfare check, gave them her name, address and the reason I was concerned.

No quibbling from the police, they just went there and when she didn't answer the door, they busted it in. Good thing they did so because she'd fallen, hit her head on something and was knocked out. She was also dangerously cold because she was in the kitchen and she was lying in the draft from under the kitchen door. I was told that when the officers first touched her, they thought she'd died, she was so cold!

I realise different states are different but are responses from PDs really that different? While I don't know if Bob had any chronic health problems, surely the Placentia PD would have done a welfare check just based on his age?

Why dither around for hours when Bob lived such a quiet life? It's not like he was a teen or 20something where he might have just been out partying.

 

[GrainneDhu]

Cubby, do you think LE are still investigating or just waiting for somebody to talk or the recovery of remains? I don't want to be bleak but I think there is very little hope now that Bob is still alive.

I agree with you that there is little chance that Bob is still alive. Even if he suffered from that old standby of thrillers amnesia, someone would have found him by now and there would be media stories to find out who knows him. Likewise if he'd left the house and had a stroke or whatever that left him unable to communicate.

Cubby suggested a forensic accountant should go through Bob's financial records for the last several years, maybe even from before Georgia died.

I sincerely hope the police are doing that.

In fact, Cubby, if you didn't call that suggestion in, I'll do it.

 

[GrainneDhu]

I think there is more MSM indicating that it wasnt a walk away. Again, that leaves very few choices.

I bounce back and forth constantly in my mind as to whether or not this might have been a confrontation gone terribly wrong scenario or maybe some very quick planning by someone who thought they knew Bob's habits.

I suspect at this point, we'll never know for sure. If it ever comes to the point of an arrest and trial, I'm sure that an unpremeditated act of passion will be better for the defendant than a premeditated act.

The difference between a few years in prison and potential death penalty.

 

[zwiebel]

Good question. I can't link but a google search will bring up the link. Here is the exact wording at the bottom of the reward poster:

ANY PERSON WHO AIDS AND ABETS THE COMMISSION OF A CRIME HAS NO RIGHT TO A REWARD.​

FAMILY MEMBERS OR RELATIVES OF THE FAMILY MEMBER ARE EXCLUDED FROM CLAIMING THIS REWARD.

The phrase 'Freudian slip' comes to mind. And stays there.

 

[zwiebel]

BBM
I agree with you that there is little chance that Bob is still alive. Even if he suffered from that old standby of thrillers amnesia, someone would have found him by now and there would be media stories to find out who knows him. Likewise if he'd left the house and had a stroke or whatever that left him unable to communicate.

Cubby suggested a forensic accountant should go through Bob's financial records for the last several years, maybe even from before Georgia died.

I sincerely hope the police are doing that.

In fact, Cubby, if you didn't call that suggestion in, I'll do it.

In quite a few instances it seems tax and financial authorities have much wider powers to act and have less restraints than LE. I guess those kind of investigations cost a lot though, so they tend to go after the big money. Wasn't that what Al Capone was finally jailed for? Financial activities rather than his gangster crimes?
So glad you called in your missing colleague straightaway GrainneDhu. Weren't you afraid LE would scold you for not waiting 24 hours?

 

[believe09]

believe09 I agree (and not just because you got inside my head after just a few posts!) I do get the impression LE are still interested and maybe biding their time?
At the risk of making myself very unpopular, I'm going to bring up tax.
Round my way, there's a big difference between a loan and a gift. I mean, one gets you a break and the other gets you a tax demand that is taken out of your account automatically. You can argue for a refund later but vagueness about who gave what and when is nicht in ordnung! (not in order). You either pay or get a fine or go to jail.
So what happens over your way if say, I was to take a loan from a family member for hundreds of thousands of dollars but at some point I stopped repayments, got a bit vague and forgetful and took it as a gift instead? Would I get a a big tax bill and are those records publicly available?

Now you are inside of my head. I think taxes could be an important part of the equation. The only question regarding them that I have considered in the past is what if you took your annual mortgage deduction on mortgage payments you never made? (100% speculation here.) Of course that would never happen-too easy to get busted on that one.

If you privately finance a home for someone and they dont pay you back, is it a gift?

It seems likely that this was the case for more than one of his immediate family members if we can draw any conclusions from PB's testimony at the BL's trial. She testified that she found loan documents for family members....I wonder how many of the loans are being paid back while Bob is gone?

You are good, zwiebel.