CA CA - Bob Harrod, 81, Orange County, 27 July 2009 - #15

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And they're fighting pretty hard to get their hands on that "dirty friggen $$$", wouldn't you say, Cubby?

I love the line about Bob redeeming himself. Like, he owes her something. Whose money is it, anyway? Whose life is it, anyway? Pffft


RB's a woman who I'd hope would stand behind her words. I think she and her sisters have demonstrated their thoughts on whose money it is and whose life it was. Especially after their mother died.

Someone should carry over their lovely words over to the Disappeared FB page.

Let's see, who's sold out to the devil here?
 
Respectfully BBM

I like this theory. The person on the other end of the line wouldn't necessarily know whether or not they were really talking to Bob, right?


Thinking again about that 10:00 am phone call. Two things. We know for certain Agnes spoke with Bob sometime Monday morning. It may have been prior to the 10:00 am call.

For LE to say they confirmed someone spoke to Bob at 10:00 am, do we assume LE would consider someone who didn't know Bob well enough to know his voice as confirmation he was alive and well? at 10:00am?
 
Daughter JuM posted the following on her local forum in August 2009. I hope PPD is and did read JuM's postings!

JuM August 20, 2009:

"I am guarded with my information as the PPD evidently have prioritized more time to read posts on this site as well as other sites. All the information they requested was given to them as well as bouncing off ideas of what we can do as we are in a state of limbo. Pray for the PPD as they are as frustrated with my father's disappearance as we are."
 
Daughter JuM posted the following on her local forum in August 2009. I hope PPD is and did read JuM's postings!

JuM August 20, 2009:

"I am guarded with my information as the PPD evidently have prioritized more time to read posts on this site as well as other sites. All the information they requested was given to them as well as bouncing off ideas of what we can do as we are in a state of limbo. Pray for the PPD as they are as frustrated with my father's disappearance as we are."


CBM. "I am guarded with my information" Really? Now, why would a family member of a missing person be guarded with their information if they were a. not involved in any way and b. looking to bring their missing family member home.

Why does JuM have reason to care about the detectives searching for her father reading her posts?
 
It depends on how the questions were asked of the caller. If the person answering the phone was able to respond appropriately to the caller, and the caller doesn't know Bob well, they might have been able to confirm to the police, with confidence, that they spoke with Bob.

If Bob did answer the phone, then all was well at 10:00. I wonder what is special about this call that it's mentioned, but the ID of the caller is hidden. Yet, the police say there wasn't anything unusual about any of the calls that morning.

It's these kinds of things that draw, and hold my attention. LOL


Thinking again about that 10:00 am phone call. Two things. We know for certain Agnes spoke with Bob sometime Monday morning. It may have been prior to the 10:00 am call.

For LE to say they confirmed someone spoke to Bob at 10:00 am, do we assume LE would consider someone who didn't know Bob well enough to know his voice as confirmation he was alive and well? at 10:00am?
 
Thank you Angelo for making sure these words lived on! I know you have more gems sitting around, and I thank for you that!

A person has to read these posts themselves to get the full effect of what was happening back then. "You just can't make this stuff up!"


Daughter JuM posted the following on her local forum in August 2009. I hope PPD is and did read JuM's postings!

JuM August 20, 2009:

"I am guarded with my information as the PPD evidently have prioritized more time to read posts on this site as well as other sites. All the information they requested was given to them as well as bouncing off ideas of what we can do as we are in a state of limbo. Pray for the PPD as they are as frustrated with my father's disappearance as we are."
 
Does anyone happen to know if Coyote Canyon is an actual canyon, or if it is a city of that name? Coyote Canyon, Fontana, CA is what I get on Maps.

I'm going to continue with my train of thought, mapping etc., but would really appreciate if someone could give me a bit of a nudge on this.

Thanks in advance :)

I think I found it. Now going to try to find the SAR thread.
 
BBM


I believe the day Mrs Harrod returned to MO, daughter JuM filed her second report of elder abuse regarding her father. We did speculate that the 10 am call on Monay 27th could have been OC social services telling Bob they would be arriving the next day to check on him (which they did, though he'd already disappeared by then of course).

It made me wonder if Bob got the call, was furious and 'vented' on the only other person in his house at the time - his son-in-law.

BBM. Whether the 10AM call was OC Social Services or someone else, I think this scenario is very possible.
 
BBM
Does anyone happen to know if Coyote Canyon is an actual canyon, or if it is a city of that name? Coyote Canyon, Fontana, CA is what I get on Maps.

I'm going to continue with my train of thought, mapping etc., but would really appreciate if someone could give me a bit of a nudge on this.

Thanks in advance :)

I think I found it. Now going to try to find the SAR thread.

SAR thread's here and you can always find it easily in the bottom of believe09's signature too:
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Just in case anyone was wondering what MaryNo was talking about in her previous post, here it is, Bob's daughters own words:





Thank you, Cloudajo. I knew you'd come through with some saved info Bob's daughters sanitized off the web.
Wow...having it all laid out like that...just wow.

Looks like RB was the most vocal. Is that right or were there more comments from others that didn't get preserved? Wish I had been there. On second thought, I'm glad I wasn't. :cry:
 
It's incredible what we learn about our parents later in life. If he didn't leave voluntarily, he may have set himself up by association with the wrong kind of people.

and

POI insinuating that family (actual family) is involved. Jeesh! POI doesn't really know family and only had D's chronic lies to base her opinion on.

BBM. I agree completely that Mr Harrod set himself up with the wrong kind of people, but blood is blood.

As for the second quote-this one really really piques my interest. Apparently the poster believed that Bob was not telling flattering stories about his family. That is a very defensive post. I would love to read BL's statement to LE simply based upon that post.
 
No doubt in my mind, Dad probably "cashed out" his own life insurance policy, if one existed, before the date for Mom's memorial had even been set. The forms for Mom's life insurance policy could have been ready and waiting for her last breath too....IMHO That's exactly the kind of person the father WE KNOW is, as we have already tried to explain

The life insurance policy. Isnt that an interesting subject to bring up?

Rest assured, fellow posters, the material has been preserved and screen printed. Remember the discussion we had on consciousness of guilt? You never know where you will find it and the internet is forever, but it is always best to have a record. There are pages and pages of posts from PB, RB and JuM. Thousands probably. Voluminous.

They came out of the gate with this poison. It is abundantly clear to me that their intention was to make their lack of action defensible and to make their father appear so detestable, no one would care enough to look for him.

However, Mrs Harrod refused to stand for it. She wants her husband back. She wants justice.

They dont. The words from the days following his disappearance speak volumes-what comes now is just a wish for a do over. Their motivation is clear, but we have confirmation of it from the Homicide Detective investigating their father's case.

It is an ugly story and it is nauseating. It doesnt get better with time, it gets worse.
Poor Bob. He must have despaired to know why his life was ending...I hope he was blindsided. I hope he had no idea what was happening. :(
 
'...only had D's chronic lies to base her opinion on.'

Oh, just oh. I'd never noticed that. Thanks believe. It's helped me get over seeing those posts again. Really, everytime I see them I just have to turn away for a little while. I find them very upsetting. I'd rather die than say something like that about a missing person, even if I hated them. Talk about attacking the defenceless. It's like reading about someone kicking a puppy - incomprehensible and totally unforgivable.

So.....how did daughters know the BL's opinion? Did she tell them? Did she tell LE and daughters got to hear? Insinuating family were involved? To my mind, if the BL were truly only interested in money, far from alienating daughters after Bob disappeared, she would have made friends with them, gone out of her way to be nice and followed the money.

Not gone around making insinuations about who might have killed Bob. That gives the impression she cared about Bob more than I'd thought in the past. I may have done this lady an injustice.
 
I find the statement about BL's opinions to be very angry but most of all fearful. Within the same timeframe, according to a fellow poster on ROTW, JeM was considered a suspect and the poster was offering access to criminal defense attorneys.

Mind you, when Disappeared filmed RB had no reason to suspect anyone in her family. Even though it was apparently common knowledge on a message board that JeM was a suspect in August of 2009. Maybe she doesnt want to believe it.
 
I'm confused by something. In the writings above, RB talks about "loans" ,in quotation, made to the POI who I assume is the BL. So did she know, even at that time, that the money given to the hairdresser was not a loan? Am I correct in thinking that RB was trying to say that the money was for..ahem...services rendered?
 
Well, if she did know the money was not loaned but still took the BL to court....I'd have thought you could cause problems for yourself going to court and saying one thing when really you thought another. Or did only PB actually go to court?

As for the insinuations RB appears to be making - I really wouldn't be at all surprised. So many of daughters' posts seem to hint at dark and 'dirty' behaviour by Bob. And it all reflects right back on them, imo.

Now, what was it daughter JuM said in that video? "Our father means the world to us"

Maybe she's the kind one, and just doesn't know about the mean things her big sisters had been saying.......
 
Well, if she did know the money was not loaned but still took the BL to court....I'd have thought you could cause problems for yourself going to court and saying one thing when really you thought another. Or did only PB actually go to court?

As for the insinuations RB appears to be making - I really wouldn't be at all surprised. So many of daughters' posts seem to hint at dark and 'dirty' behaviour by Bob. And it all reflects right back on them, imo.

Now, what was it daughter JuM said in that video? "Our father means the world to us"

Maybe she's the kind one, and just doesn't know about the mean things her big sisters had been saying.......

In the court docs, both daughters were plaintiffs, but only PB testified. See, I thought there were penalties involved in bringing a fraudulent lawsuit as well. I'm not a lawyer, though. Maybe the BL being awarded costs was punishment enough.

As to the other stuff, I personally don't care if Bob was a cross between a Sugar Daddy and Ebenezer Scrooge. The man deserves some respect, especially from his children who had no problems with trying to lay claim to his "dirty $$$."
 
Here are two conclusions of what might have happened to Bob:
I. Either Bob disappeared of his own free will, OR
II. Some other person(s) forced Bob to disappear.

Let’s try to eliminate (I) or (II).

If Bob vanished on his own, we know that Bob could not have walked far given that:
a) his car was still in the driveway;
b) he was 81 y.o.

Also, if we ASSUME that Bob only had ONE pair of eyeglasses, then Bob definitely could not have vanished on his own even if he had intended to harm himself because without eyeglasses, Bob’s vision would have been so poor as to make him dysfunctional. Bob without vision correction glasses would be like a person with sight groping about in the dark, attempting to move and do things in the dark and who would have to perform activities such as walking as slowly and carefully as possible so they wouldn’t make any incorrect moves and bump into things, tripping over things, etc.

Furthermore, since Bob has NOT been sighted after 3+ years (since mid-July 2009), we can safely conclude that Bob did NOT disappear on his own because again, if Bob had gone off on his own and even if it was to do himself harm, he could not have been able to walk too far without his car and at his age, he’d likely have to make multiple stops to rest and rebuild substantive strength to continue walking by foot. So even at the slight chance that he might have intended to do himself harm and went off into a ditch somewhere or hid/starved himself somewhere, regardless of whether he wore or didn’t wear his eyeglasses, he/his body would have been found by now given the short perimeter from his home with which he could have walked off on his own at his age and without a vehicle. Assuming that LE searched everywhere within walking distance from Bob's home and the fact that Bob nor his body has been found means there was definitely foul play.

Therefore, we can definitively conclude that some person(s) other than Bob “helped” or forced Bob to disappear by either hiding his body in their vehicle or driving him off as a passenger in their vehicle somewhere. Thus, conclusion (I) can be eliminated. We're now left with conclusion (II).

I’ll write the possible foul play scenarios later, when I have more time.
 
I'm confused by something. In the writings above, RB talks about "loans" ,in quotation, made to the POI who I assume is the BL. So did she know, even at that time, that the money given to the hairdresser was not a loan? Am I correct in thinking that RB was trying to say that the money was for..ahem...services rendered?


IDK exactly what she knew about the money, but there was an enormous effort by Bob's daughters to paint Bob as 'not husband material', to put it nicely. It was part of a nasty and ugly effort to get Mrs. Harrod to go packing back to MO with her tail between her legs.

Fast forward, clearly they were wrong about Mrs. Harrod's tenacity to continue searching for Bob and seeking Justice for him.
 
Respectfully BBM

I've always believed she made the call. And, I've always thought the dialogue was contrived; totally ridiculous, in my opinion.

Because, until the last 6 years, I've had unlisted service, the whole "private" issue whooshed right over my head. :blushing: You're absolutely right, if I had called Bob, and a "private" had shown, I would have immediately known it was mine. No one would have to point it out to me. If that call wasn't hers, that really busts the timeline wide open. This phone call has put a monkey wrench in my belief that Bob disappeared much earlier in the day.

The 10 am call hasn't helped much either. My theory on this call has never changed. I don't think the person knew Bob well enough to know whether or not they were actually talking to Bob. No one has shaken that theory, YET. Will save it for another post ;)

Thank you! I will be rethinking the "Paula angle". :rose:

I so agree with you on this SUV sham. I mean, REALLY? ....

I agree, I don't think Paula made up the phone call to her dad Bob. It's easily verifiable by her phone records and LE would certainly have confirmed it by now.

Just because it was "unlisted" on Bob's end does NOT mean it is unlisted on Paula's own phone records. By gosh, her phone company would know whether she made phone calls to people as they have to bill her for the calls.

Also, I don't think there's any reason for Paula to deliberately inject herself into the time period when Bob went missing by blatantly stating it was she who called Bob at 11:40am on Monday unless it was the truth. Why, if she were the perp who did Bob harm, would she want to incriminate herself?

No, if a perp had done harm to Bob that morning, they would make sure they have an alibi, which leads up to Jeff with his alibi with multiple receipts and anyone else who said they made NO contact with Bob that morning.
 
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