CA CA - Bob Harrod, 81, Orange County, 27 July 2009 - #15

[TDW59]

From what I've heard about JuM and the fact that she herself posted online in some forum that she was refraining from posting too much because LE may be reading the boards, JuM appears quite clever and criminally savvy -- plus both of the men in her life (her hubby & son) seem to be involved in financial frauds of some sort and they appeared to escape prosecution/conviction... So I think it's likely her post regarding 330 may be a red herring to throw us off the real hiding place of Bob -- if she was involved.

What fraud would you be referencing in regards to DH???

 

[TDW59]

snipped:
When that time comes and push comes to shove with backs against the wall, if anyone thinks any of the 'inner circle' isn't going to be pointing fingers at the other, think again.

under the bus so fast heads will spin. I have seen it far too many times over so much smaller of matters.
self preservation always wins out when it comes to cya or cover for others.

 

[bourne]

What fraud would you be referencing in regards to DH???

Who's DH?

I only know about the fancy financial maneuverings of grandson AH and his dad Bob's SIL insofar as I either read it in a post or someone PMed me the info.

 

[TDW59]

lol I think we're all human and inconsistent at times.

Having said that, I lean towards JuM being much more careful in her postings online than in her spoken words because online we have the ability to edit before posting whereas when we speak verbally, there's no edit process. We can't retract once we've misspoken...so it's less likely JuM would erroneously type something online in her posts she didn't truly want "published out there in the world wide web".

wow. that would imply such verbal abuse that I would almost pay her to stay away from me too.
Actually I would just get a RO.

 

[bourne]

:waitasec:

wow. that would imply such verbal abuse that I would almost pay her to stay away from me too.
Actually I would just get a RO.

Wow where did you get verbal abuse and all that from? :waitasec:

 

[TDW59]

DH = Dear Husband a/k/a SIL

JuM posted some very nasty things so if that is restrained and edited, I would hate to hear the raw version.
No worries, she has deleted all of it now.

 

[believe09]

From what I've heard about JuM and the fact that she herself posted online in some forum that she was refraining from posting too much because LE may be reading the boards, JuM appears quite clever and criminally savvy -- plus both of the men in her life (her hubby & son) seem to be involved in financial frauds of some sort and they appeared to escape prosecution/conviction... So I think it's likely her post regarding 330 may be a red herring to throw us off the real hiding place of Bob -- if she was involved.

I would concur, except for the messages and emails she sent her fellow posters that were remarkably unglued regarding the discovery. They were posted on ROTW, and as TD said, if they were intentional well thought out posts, I hope they took legal action.

This is the same woman who states that her presence DTH was to change the sheets and who twice put her husband in the house during Bob's disappearance.

I doubt she is too much of a mastermind.

 

[believe09]

DH = Dear Husband a/k/a SIL

JuM posted some very nasty things so if that is restrained and edited, I would hate to hear the raw version.
No worries, she has deleted all of it now.

I am certain we could dig it up if anyone wanted to see it for themselves. I actually wondered at the time if anyone who received her messages reached out to LE. I think I would have.

I think that JuM is no different in her posting style than her sisters. Voluminous at a minimum. A few more examples-JuM is a vegetarian who eats meat, and a soft hearted defender of animals who enjoys watching the coyotes hunt prey in her back yard...she particularly admires the way they throw them into the air before killing them. She lauds her husband for shooting squirrels in the eye with a BB gun and she uses pressure washers to remove birds from the exterior of her house. This is illegal. She feeds black bears and actually took photos of her DH leaving dog food. Blatantly illegal and she was chastised by California Fish and Game for it. She was cited openly on ROTW for it-luckily for her it was a misdemeanor offense.

She has clearly demonstrated that she knows no law but her own. All good springs from her and what she gives she can take away just as easily. I dont think she is a mastermind, I think she is a wanna be.

BTW she loves to be the subject of conversation-did I mention that?

 

[bourne]

I am certain we could dig it up if anyone wanted to see it for themselves. I actually wondered at the time if anyone who received her messages reached out to LE. I think I would have.

I think that JuM is no different in her posting style than her sisters. Voluminous at a minimum. A few more examples-JuM is a vegetarian who eats meat, and a soft hearted defender of animals who enjoys watching the coyotes hunt prey in her back yard...she particularly admires the way they throw them into the air before killing them. She lauds her husband for shooting squirrels in the eye with a BB gun and she uses pressure washers to remove birds from the exterior of her house. This is illegal. She feeds black bears and actually took photos of her DH leaving dog food. Blatantly illegal and she was chastised by California Fish and Game for it. She was cited openly on ROTW for it-luckily for her it was a misdemeanor offense.

She has clearly demonstrated that she knows no law but her own. All good springs from her and what she gives she can take away just as easily. She is chilling imo. I dont think she is a mastermind, I think she is a wanna be.

BTW she loves to be the subject of conversation-did I mention that?

Sure I'd like to read them if you dig them up

 

[believe09]

Sure I'd like to read them if you dig them up

Give me some time and I will put them back up. It was a year ago, and several threads...

 

[believe09]

OK- this is kind of like a dance...you have to know the steps.

330 Thread on ROTW regarding the discovery

Please note this post, one of several bizarre ones, where JuM chooses to NOT contact LE directly regarding this discovery:

Sent it to my sister, she will forward it, I do not have their # or email addy at my fingertips. Quicker that way. Placentia Police Department, Det. Radomski, $50K reward for any information. Thx. If you want, please feel free to call them too for reward $, I am now sick to my stomach about this. I also am saddened for anyone else with missing family members.

bold/underline by me. huh?

Another bizarre post same thread:

This is the from the DOJ site. The weight is wrong, it should read 170 lbs. Who knows, I am so sick of naysayers about our family. IF anyone sees the media heading this way tell them it is a waste of time, I am so done with the media, make sure you speak with Det. Radomski with any info. Anyways this has the case number and Police Dept. #

http://dojapp.doj.ca.gov/missing/det...=3890920900061

And another:

Please do not feel bad at all, we want answers and if I found out this way I am okay, we probably have to wait for DNA. Nobody can get to our front door unless they call first.

OK, here is where the discussion starts here at WS on page 22 of thread 8:

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - CA CA - Bob Harrod, 81, Orange County, 27 July 2009 - #8

 

[believe09]

I will get to the ROTW posters who had to come out onto the open forum and release part of what she was sending them in relationship to the discovery...I just have to comb the rest of the screen shots, lol.

 

[bourne]

OK- this is kind of like a dance...you have to know the steps.

330 Thread on ROTW regarding the discovery

Please note this post, one of several bizarre ones, where JuM chooses to NOT contact LE directly regarding this discovery:

Quote:
Sent it to my sister, she will forward it, I do not have their # or email addy at my fingertips. Quicker that way. Placentia Police Department, Det. Radomski, $50K reward for any information. Thx. If you want, please feel free to call them too for reward $, I am now sick to my stomach about this. I also am saddened for anyone else with missing family members.
bold/underline by me. huh?

Another bizarre post same thread:
Quote:
This is the from the DOJ site. The weight is wrong, it should read 170 lbs. Who knows, I am so sick of naysayers about our family. IF anyone sees the media heading this way tell them it is a waste of time, I am so done with the media, make sure you speak with Det. Radomski with any info. Anyways this has the case number and Police Dept. #

http://dojapp.doj.ca.gov/missing/det...=3890920900061
And another:

Quote:
Please do not feel bad at all, we want answers and if I found out this way I am okay, we probably have to wait for DNA. Nobody can get to our front door unless they call first.
OK, here is where the discussion starts here at WS on page 22 of thread 8:

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - CA CA - Bob Harrod, 81, Orange County, 27 July 2009 - #8

Yep, very bizarre. JuM as Bob's daughter should have LE's # at her fingertips -- if she really wanted to find her dad...

She adds qualifiers to her posts suggesting extreme reluctance to being contacted...as if she doesn't really want to be involved in finding her dad, like he's more of a nuisance to her... I find that highly suspicious behavior given that she is not a shy person. I would be shocked, really shocked if she were not involved in directly causing her dad's vanishing.

You also linked a post by "ucralum". Is this a friend of JuM?

 

[Cubby]

Yes, but look. It was 9:03 am she (JuM) replied she was going to send the article to the detective, but her second reply at 9:19 am, a full 16 minutes later, states she doesn't have LE's contact info at her fingertips...

Has anyone ever seen JuM's prolific posting in 16 minutes? She could have a good dozen or more posts in 16 minutes, links included. But not when it comes to her own flesh and blood, her 'missing' father.
:tsktsk:

 

[zwiebel]

JuM just sounds to me as though she doesn't really want Bob found and doesn't want other people searching for him either - is even angry at them for doing so.

Her being so done with media is odd too. Most families of missing people drive themselves crazy trying to get the media to sit up and take notice. And really, after the first couple of weeks following Bob going missing - I didn't think JuM spoke to media at all. I think she must have a very low tolerance for media if she became fed up after speaking to them so few times. Her husband JeM doesn't seem to have any tolerance for media wanting to run a story about Bob at all. He never spoke to them.

And that doesn't really explain how keenly JuM seemed to court publicity regarding her kidney donation, and is willing to bring up the subject again and again. Or why JeM was right there hanging out with media when Christopher Dorner hid out there, and JuM was happily posting away about it.

Being media-shy or nervous about dealing with them I can accept. It's the complete contradiction between her attitude to media looking at Bob's case, and her attitude towards media following other stories that appears really odd to me.

Regarding the post about nobody being able to get to her door unless they call first - I bet LE could, if they should ever want to.

 

[Cubby]

Had a dream last night an arrest was made in this case and we got to see the cuff's slapped on. How I wish it wasn't a dream.

Praying that day comes soon for Bob. The person(s) who are responsible for Bob's disappearance should know their time is coming. The day will come that arrest is made, charges are filed and a jury finds them guilty. It won't happen soon enough.

 

[zwiebel]

That's the thing, isn't it? An arrest could come anytime, out of the blue. I just clicked on Sherry's story on our front page. An 11-year-old case suddenly gone very hot indeed, with Sherry located and a son helping LE get information from his own father, it's reported. Sherry's sister had been very disheartened, just before everything happened.

That's 11 years, Bob's hasn't yet been missing for four.

It was strange how JuM mentioned (reluctantly?) collecting the reward to that poster. As though it was a certainty that Bob had been found. I'd like to hear all the daughters' current 'take' on what happened to Bob now. Have they come to the conclusion it's foul play, or do they still think he might have wandered off, or run off to punish them or Fontelle?

Perhaps we might find out when they hold a vigil on his missing anniversary this year.......

Talking of which, someone just organised a candlelit, online vigil for a victim. What a good idea. It meant everyone could participate, no matter were they where. Such a simple thing, but effective.

 

[zwiebel]

BBM

Yes, but look. It was 9:03 am she (JuM) replied she was going to send the article to the detective, but her second reply at 9:19 am, a full 16 minutes later, states she doesn't have LE's contact info at her fingertips...

Has anyone ever seen JuM's prolific posting in 16 minutes? She could have a good dozen or more posts in 16 minutes, links included. But not when it comes to her own flesh and blood, her 'missing' father.
:tsktsk:

She can't be reading this thread then.....

Anyone with information should contact Det. Dave Radomski on 714-993-8176

 

[zwiebel]

I've been trying to gather a little info about route 330. Look at this comment about the drivers up there;
http://www.3fbc.com/blogs/rides/san-bernardino-mountains/snow-summit-downhill-options/

I'm guessing the reckless would opt for the 330. Any reckless people in Bob's close circle, do we think?

ETA: And I just noticed it mentions you can get ticketed for going off an official trail there, and billed for any SAR search.

 

[believe09]

When you are combing 1000 odd posts, it is exhausting. It is worth doing, however, because boy do you get a crystal clear picture. YIKES.

LINK HERE

Ummmm...Wow! Jules...the day that body was found on Hwy 330, someone else started a discussion wondering if you had seen the news and if it could possibly solve the disappearance of your Dad. You suggested that the location was too far away from his home to possibly be him. I suggested that it was "on the way" between his home and yours...thinking perhaps he was on his way to see you...or perhaps, if he had been abducted, the persons were taking him to your home for possible extortion.

You, took it completely out of context...posted one of your sugary-sweet responses while, at the same time, sending one of the creepiest PM's I have ever recieved.
I have since avoided responding to any of your posts or communications.

This had nothing to do with any of that.

If you would like to attack me...I have no problem posting the copies of your whacked-out Posts and PM's to me.
Perhaps you would be better served backing off so I don't have to reveal what really goes on in that head.

As far as what you seem to view as my "Charmed Life"...well, we each have our troubles...you don't hold the title on that!

Wow...Get out the popcorn folks!

And:

LINK HERE

Jules...and yet, you simultaneously posted a Sugary-Sweet public post as you PM'd your creepy, frightening, response?
I am sorry for your pain...but do not involve me in your drama.
Keep talking and posing as asking for forgiveness in an effort to make me look bad and you the innocent victim...and I will reveal it.
I do not accept your apology...you caused me many a sleepless night...

This little thread was a lark...and obviously hit a nerve in some deep, dark, place.