CA CA - Bob Harrod, 81, Orange County, 27 July 2009 - #15

[Cubby]

JuM mentioned foul play in advance of LE...isnt that correct? LE was still waiting for Bob to come home when Fontelle arrived iirc. That is what PPD said on the Disappeared episode. They knew they would have a problem if Fontelle came home and there was still no Bob. But JuM stated on her community forum that foul play was suspected.

Odd.

BBM. Yes, she did. Here is a copy of that post. (orginally posted by Angelo)

Post from JuM on ROTW (since removed):

Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 01:50 PM

Plea for Positive Thoughts and Prayers - My dad is missing

I need to request positive thoughts and prayers. My father has been missing approx. 28 hours ago. We suspect foul play, but want 1o remain as positive; his new wife will be arriving with her belongings tomorrow. My father's name is Robert Harrod in Placentia; his new wife Fontelle Heeter-Harrod is just besides herself, please pray for his safe return.

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[shana]

Quote:
Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 01:50 PM

Plea for Positive Thoughts and Prayers - My dad is missing

I need to request positive thoughts and prayers. My father has been missing approx. 28 hours ago. We suspect foul play, but want 1o remain as positive; his new wife will be arriving with her belongings tomorrow. My father's name is Robert Harrod in Placentia; his new wife Fontelle Heeter-Harrod is just besides herself, please pray for his safe return.

Personally, I find nothing at all odd about her post.

If a family member goes missing and remains so for apx 28 hrs, I'd suspect foul play too.

~jmo~

 

[shana]

What is a Civilian Investigator?

Placentia Police Department

~jmo~

 

[shana]

What is a hostile witness? It certainly doesn't just mean that the witness displays 'hostile' behavior or responses on the stand. The witness needs to be so designated by the Judge, and it isn't so simple as the word might indicate on its face.

Just one of many defs to be found on the net:

hostile witness

If the judge declares the witness to be hostile (i.e. adverse), the attorney may ask "leading" questions which suggest answers or are challenging to the testimony just as on cross examination of a witness who has testified for the opposition.

~jmo~

 

[zwiebel]

What is a Civilian Investigator?

Placentia Police Department

~jmo~

Here's an old article, but I don't think it quite covers Det Loomis' role:
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/nation/2010-10-11-1Acitizenpolice11_ST_N.htm?csp=usat.me

This one provides more info about the huge range of roles civilian investigators can play;
http://discoverpolicing.org/whats_like/?fa=civilian_alternatives

This article speculates if civilian investigators could be used in LA. Interestingly, they often seem to be used where some sort of financial aspect to a case is at the forefront.

http://lasvegas.cbslocal.com/2010/08/10/can-civilian-investigator-program-work-in-s-f/

I only had a quick glance, but haven't seen an obvious articles where CI's are used in a possible homicide case (apart from those specialising in forensics, etc) to investigate initially. It normally seems to be lesser crimes. Which tells me that in the very beginning, LE had been given reason to think Bob might have been voluntary missing/just wandered off.

The question for me still remains about who had given that impression, and why? In theory, it shouldn't have been JuM if she was posting so early about suspecting foul play. That would be a complete contradiction, imo.

 

[believe09]

What is a Civilian Investigator?

Placentia Police Department

~jmo~

Clearly a trusted member of the Detective Bureau. She is obviously one of the key players at PPD-witness her role in all of the media as the PIO and her appearance on Disappeared.

Thank goodness she has been so vigilant in her work on behalf of Bob. She has been the public voice of PPD for all of this time.

 

[believe09]

Quote:
Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 01:50 PM

Plea for Positive Thoughts and Prayers - My dad is missing

I need to request positive thoughts and prayers. My father has been missing approx. 28 hours ago. We suspect foul play, but want 1o remain as positive; his new wife will be arriving with her belongings tomorrow. My father's name is Robert Harrod in Placentia; his new wife Fontelle Heeter-Harrod is just besides herself, please pray for his safe return.

I find it very suspicious, but that is a difference of opinion. I think that if LE were to confirm that they told the family in advance they felt it was foul play, I would be less skeptical and concerned regarding this post.

I think the chance of that is none, frankly.

 

[Cubby]

What is a Civilian Investigator?

Placentia Police Department

~jmo~

That the "Civilian" investigator title even comes up repeatedly, is an obvious attempt at a slam by Bob's daughters. Do they really think slamming one of the investigators working their fathers case is going to help them?

The slams at civilian investigator are no different than the slams about Bob being 'just a cook', or having his freezer full of banquet dinners.

 

[believe09]

At LAST! JuM is gearing up to attend an event that is going covered by the media, and there is an opportunity to be interviewed. Now we can look forward to a public plea on behalf of her father.

The subject of the meeting can be found here.

Another poster alluded to live streaming or broadcast.

Fingers crossed, peeps.

 

[Cubby]

Ah, I expect to read some new catastrophe comes up in Jules life, either JeM, herself or one of the dogs will fall ill with yet another life threating illness and in the next day or two we'll read about a miraculous recovery along with yet another Jules post indicating she wishes she could have been there.

I double dare Jules to actually show up, this time. :floorlaugh:

 

[believe09]

I have hope. Unlicensed rehabs are a huge concern in a community that wants to maintain its own standards. Clearly she has a number of concerns-she is not shy when it comes to the camera so I feel confident that she will follow through this time.

 

[zwiebel]

It's good to see a community so concerned about adherence to the law. Aware that laws are not there for people to pick and choose, that it is only the sum of the whole and the will of the people that makes laws work.

I hear the bears are well fed in that community too.

 

[zwiebel]

I got confused there, because there was one opening that caused a big fuss in Lake Arrowhead, but that was earlier in the year.

Here's an article about the Sky Forest one, but it seems a bit of a delayed reaction by the community, as the sale and public announcement about the purpose went through in December last year?
http://www.mountain-news.com/news/article_ffccf448-4540-11e2-be1d-0019bb2963f4.html

I'm not sure it is entirely fair to call these rehab centers 'unlicensed' - a license is not required if they have under six residents. So I am not licensed to dig my garden (it's not required in Germany) as I have been doing today. So it would be correct to call me an unlicensed garden digger. I wouldn't like it though, as it would make my garden digging sound shady, somehow.

I don't know the ins and outs of it. I lived near rehabs in London and never had any problems, but it could well be very different in California. I try not to be quick to judge, but I do know in advance the only neighbours I really would hate to live next door to would be people who are cruel to animals. Or a murderer, of course. I am really allergic to them.

 

[zwiebel]

Beg your pardon, they were protesting well in advance, in Fall 2011.
http://www.mountain-news.com/news/article_828d4220-fb2d-11e0-a88d-001cc4c03286.html

 

[zwiebel]

I guess people with addiction problems are more likely to go missing. A rehab center might be quite sympathetic to displaying a poster of a missing person therefore. Even if it's not their policy, in a community where they need good public relations, I am certain JuM could persuade the owners to display Bob's new reward poster.

I don't think people would be likely to think Bob had addiction problems, but if Jum was worried about that she could always scribble, 'Dad had no addiction problems' on the bottom.

If you need to find the poster anyone, the link's in my sig.

 

[MaryNo]

BBM This part I find applicable, a direct HIT really, to Bob's case. One of his daughters claiming to be at the meeting, when in reality, she most likely was NOT, according to her sworn deposition, for starters. This daughter is the weakest link, in my opinion, and can bring down the house of cards, if they'd bring her in and nudge hard enough. She didn't even get the story straight when trying to validate the other daughter's story. Add to that she raised the issue of threats possibly having been made, by insinuating the negative without any of the other posters asking.

Knock down their stories, one by one, without actually accusing any of them of having killed Bob, and by process of elimination, the "last man standing" will be the culprit.

Interesting, I was looking at some conversations between LE officers (it's okay, they were on a public forum!)

Somebody had asked questions about propagating false stories and lying to police. It was pointed out that no officer in his right mind would request charges, for example, for a murderer who had denied murdering someone when questioned. They said that a defence lawyer would have a field day with that, and even a prosecutor would say that no-one is obliged to convict themselves to police.

What they did say though, is that a conviction like that for someone on the periphery of a serious crime like homicide, can prove very useful down the line. If that person were later called as a witness for the defence for the alleged murderer, their credibility and truthfullness would be in doubt.

I suppose that means that a person lying to protect a murderer can actually, accidentally, help to convict that murderer - as well as getting themselves a criminal conviction too.

 

[zwiebel]

I believe that 'last man' is very likely to be a man.

 

[Cubby]

I agree PB is most likely to be honest when it comes to court testimony, though it doesn't excuse her contradictions. (see post 393).

According to the court doc's she does not say the last time she saw her dad was 4 days before his disappearance, just that she saw him 4 days before his disappearance.

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ETA: PB should explain why her court testimony does not match the information she has fed to MSM, including the disappeared episode, about her fathers disappearance. He sisters should do the same. I find it interesting they expect anyone to buy this bs when it's pretty clear if JeM was not involved there would be no reason for his silence. No reason for the secrecy behind the repairs, or the agreement which let his son out of the more than half million he owed Bob, or why the timeline was never clarified.

 

[zwiebel]

I know it seems strange, but I think daughters were convinced people were buying their stories, and only we had noticed the contradictions and downright rubbish that's been spouted.

Disappeared, 'Long Lost Love' and the general public's reaction to it sure put them right on that. A couple of minutes max of two daughters talking was enough for the US public to form an opinion. You can only see a very small sample of it on the Disappeared fb page. But that same reaction would be repeated across the hundreds of thousands of viewers of the episode, I bet.

 

[zwiebel]

And if it was that obvious to civilians, imagine what it looked like to LE.