CA CA - Bob Harrod, 81, Orange County, 27 July 2009 - # 4

[believe09]

According to this article --

http://www.ocregister.com/articles/-214111--.html

Bob spoke to the housekeeper that day. They likely spoke about what would need to be done, and when she should arrive. (I very much doubt he said "Don't bother with changing my linens -- my daughter will be driving down from Running Springs tomorrow to do that.")

I also don't think that the SiL knew that the housekeeper was coming. She had to wait there for some time -- he could not have been expected to let her in.

Her arriving to an empty house after being requested there the same day also refutes any voluntary disappearance theories, in my eyes.

BBM-oh my, that one made me laugh Montjoy!

 

[suzyq211]

BBM-oh my, that one made me laugh Montjoy!

Me too! Im still wiping the tears away!!!

 

[Montjoy]

The whole story about going down to Placentia to change Bob's linens couldn't be more absurd.

-- housekeeper had been in the previous day; bed would not have been slept on since
-- SiL was in the house after the housekeeper left, could have saved his wife considerable driving time if it needed to be done
-- Bob had not been in contact with his daughters for six months prior to the confrontational meeting the day before he was (IMO) murdered; he or his housekeeper had been taking care of his bedding for that time (if not earlier still), so he would not have asked his daughter to do that for him

 

[believe09]

It all comes back to the surprise visit of the housekeeper. Why wouldnt Bob have told his SIL she was coming?

 

[suzyq211]

It all comes back to the surprise visit of the housekeeper. Why wouldnt Bob have told his SIL she was coming?

True...you would think that in between discussing the needed repairs and what supplies needed to be bought, Mr. Harrod would have mentioned that the housekeeper was coming that day...

 

[Montjoy]

His mind was sharp and his memory was good. My guess is that he never thought he would need to mention it, because he was planning on staying home, or that he never had the chance...

 

[Cubby]

It all comes back to the surprise visit of the housekeeper. Why wouldnt Bob have told his SIL she was coming?

IMO the housekeeper wasn't the only surprise visit that fateful Monday.
I do not believe Bob was expecting SIL. It is likely SIL surprised Bob after he received the phone call from the housekeeper. Remember, LE only publically stated they had the one receipt for the middle of the afternoon. There has been nothing to positively account for SIL's time in the am.

jmo

 

[cloudajo]

Hi guys-while I am waiting for this or that, I have been doing some reading on how conservators are appointed in Orange County etc. Check this out:
http://www.courtinfo.ca.gov/selfhelp/seniors/consforms.htm

The conservators of an estate have a number of duties to perform in the hopes of preserving the finances of the conservatee (I.E. Bob Harrod)

"If the court appoints you the conservator of an estate, you manage the conservatee's finances, protect the income and assets, make an inventory of the conservatee's assets, develop a working plan to make sure the conservatee's needs are met, make sure the conservatee's bills are paid, invest the conservatee's money, ensure the conservatee is receiving all benefits he/she are entitled to, ensure tax returns are filed on time, keep accurate financial records and make sure your financial records are reported to the court. (Note: the assets and finances of the conservatee are known as the estate.)

1.) Managing the Estate Assets
a) Prudent Investments
b) Keeping Estate assets separate from anyone else's, as in no co-mingling.
(For example: No conservator could take 100K from the estate to buy themselves stocks to invest in their own portfolio, or to add on to their home if it was not owned by the conservatee...things of that nature.)
c) Interest Bearing accounts-with the exception of checking accounts used for the purposes of administrative duties, all estate assets must earn interest.
d) Other Restrictions: Without prior order of the court you may not pay fees to yourself or your attorney, make a gift of estate assets or borrow from the estate. If you do NOT obtain the courts permission, you may be removed as a conservator or be required to reimburse the estate with your own assets.

2.) Inventory of Estate Property
a) Locate Estate's property. For real estate you must record a copy of your Letters of Conservatorship with each county where the conservatee owns property.
b) Determine the value of property: you must have a court appointed referee determine the value of the property unless the court waives this appointment.
c) File an Inventory and appraisal- Within 90 days after your appointement you must file an inventory or appraisal with the court.

3.) Insurance
You should determine if there is appropriate and adequate insurance covering the assets and risks to the estate. (This is essentially a bond covering the value, I would think.) Maintain the insurance for the entire period of administration."

So I have to ask myself a few things-was there an inventory performed within 90 days which would be sometime in August, correct? Is there a bond insuring the assets and finances of the estate in place? And have the conservatee's bills been paid?

We know that the bills have not been paid, since at least the utilities were shut off. That alone violates the duties of a conservator. JMO.

Interesting, thanks. I hope the court looks into this closely.

On August 8, 2010, daughter R posted on IS: The conservators and trustees are, at OUR request, being Court Supervised.

On August 11, 2010, daughter R posted on IS: I cannot discuss the rest other than to say two of us are recently court ordered co-conservators and trustees. All financial activities are to be reviewed by the court, per our request for "Court Supervision", just to prove no wrongdoing.

 

[believe09]

Huh, well it will be interesting to see what the court thinks about that. I am the most curious regarding the co mingling of assets (if there is any) and the bond on the assets of the estate, as well as paying Bob's bills of course.

 

[cloudajo]

• In Sep 2008, daughter J posts that she was not looking for work. That decorating and fixing their home is her job these days.
• In Oct 2008, daughter J posts that her hubby is on a “sabbatical.”
• In Dec 2008, daughter J posts “now within our 3 years here now we have painted the exterior, new roof, new sitting room upstairs with skylights and all kinds of changes are happening. Still need to drop stairs down to the basement which will add another 1,000 sq ft of living space (like the two of us really need it), it will be our home theater and game area!”
• In Apr 2009, J posted her husband J was laid off.
• I believe daughter J has a Mercedes SUV and her husband has a newer Honda truck.

I’m wondering, if daughter J hadn’t worked in years and her husband J doesn’t seem to have had steady employment (at least not in the last few years), were finances tight in 2009?

Also, does anyone know if the other two daughters have jobs, or is everyone on a sabbatical?

http://rimoftheworld.net/discuss/196/40035?page=2
http://rimoftheworld.net/discuss/196/41655
http://rimoftheworld.net/discuss/166/4013?page=4524
http://rimoftheworld.net/discuss/180/50376

 

[believe09]

:wave::smileyhyper (1):

Come on in and join us...we welcome fresh eyes!

 

[Angelo]

IMO the housekeeper wasn't the only surprise visit that fateful Monday.
I do not believe Bob was expecting SIL. It is likely SIL surprised Bob after he received the phone call from the housekeeper. Remember, LE only publically stated they had the one receipt for the middle of the afternoon. There has been nothing to positively account for SIL's time in the am.

jmo

The only thing we know that the SIL did earlier in the AM on July 27, 2009 was he purchased soda and paper plates at a CVS.

 

[believe09]

• In Sep 2008, daughter J posts that she was not looking for work. That decorating and fixing their home is her job these days.
• In Oct 2008, daughter J posts that her hubby is on a “sabbatical.”
• In Dec 2008, daughter J posts “now within our 3 years here now we have painted the exterior, new roof, new sitting room upstairs with skylights and all kinds of changes are happening. Still need to drop stairs down to the basement which will add another 1,000 sq ft of living space (like the two of us really need it), it will be our home theater and game area!”
• In Apr 2009, J posted her husband J was laid off.
• I believe daughter J has a Mercedes SUV and her husband has a newer Honda truck.

I’m wondering, if daughter J hadn’t worked in years and her husband J doesn’t seem to have had steady employment (at least not in the last few years), were finances tight in 2009?

Also, does anyone know if the other two daughters have jobs, or is everyone on a sabbatical?

http://rimoftheworld.net/discuss/196/40035?page=2
http://rimoftheworld.net/discuss/196/41655
http://rimoftheworld.net/discuss/166/4013?page=4524
[URL]http://rimoftheworld.net/discuss/180/50376[/URL]

R was the only one working then, and IIRC she stopped last year. ETA: She was the only one who owned her own house I believe-I know I posted the assessor information.

 

[Angelo]

Huh, well it will be interesting to see what the court thinks about that. I am the most curious regarding the co mingling of assets (if there is any) and the bond on the assets of the estate, as well as paying Bob's bills of course.

BBM

I am too!

 

[Angelo]

I wonder if the daughters or SIL watch any TV shows about crime investigations.

One of Terri Horman's favorite shows is CSI.

 

[cloudajo]

• In Sep 2008, daughter J posts that she was not looking for work. That decorating and fixing their home is her job these days.
• In Oct 2008, daughter J posts that her hubby is on a “sabbatical.”
• In Dec 2008, daughter J posts “now within our 3 years here now we have painted the exterior, new roof, new sitting room upstairs with skylights and all kinds of changes are happening. Still need to drop stairs down to the basement which will add another 1,000 sq ft of living space (like the two of us really need it), it will be our home theater and game area!”
• In Apr 2009, J posted her husband J was laid off.
• I believe daughter J has a Mercedes SUV and her husband has a newer Honda truck.

I’m wondering, if daughter J hadn’t worked in years and her husband J doesn’t seem to have had steady employment (at least not in the last few years), were finances tight in 2009?

Also, does anyone know if the other two daughters have jobs, or is everyone on a sabbatical?

http://rimoftheworld.net/discuss/196/40035?page=2
http://rimoftheworld.net/discuss/196/41655
http://rimoftheworld.net/discuss/166/4013?page=4524
http://rimoftheworld.net/discuss/180/50376

Q: Guess which post on ROTW referred to above has been removed in the last few hours?

A: In Apr 2009, J posted her husband J was laid off.

http://rimoftheworld.net/discuss/180/50376

 

[believe09]

Cloud, we should start a contest like a game show regarding this case...I am glad we can be of use to this increasing puzzling family. Why sanitize? The words never really disappear. I wonder if it was not an accurate statement at the time....

In any case, we still search and wait for more information regarding others searching for Mr. Harrod.

 

[Angelo]

Q: Guess which post on ROTW referred to above has been removed in the last few hours?

A: In Apr 2009, J posted her husband J was laid off.

http://rimoftheworld.net/discuss/180/50376

Interesting.....To me, the post which was removed provided a possible motive.

 

[cloudajo]

Interesting.....To me, the post which was removed provided a possible motive.

The other posts have now been removed too.

 

[believe09]

They can be taken down, but they can also be resurrected. What an interesting game, I have to say. I wonder if they were receiving any pressure from their peers on ROTW regarding their sincerity in looking for their dad, or some of the less flattering things they were posting? Just wondering....