Ok, lets clear some things up here !
LE stated that their findings were that Bryce left the Castaic park area BECAUSE the bloodhounds followed his scent leading out of the park. Not too difficult to understand that.
Bryce has NOT been found in any rehab or institution or anywhere else "hiding out" or NOT wanting to be found. If LE knew where he was, we would know he was safe
I need the verified attorney following this case on here to chime in, we were told that because Bryce is still listed as Critical Missing Person, if he were to be found, his parents would be notified - EVEN IF HE DIDNT WANT TO BE FOUND.
As stated by Caron, it was Vyvanse not Adderall, I thought Vyvanse was generic for Adderall, it is the same type of medication
I don't know why it is taking so long for forensics to process the laptop or cell phone, I am not a techno geek but think that it should take no more than a couple of days to process these.
Summary:
LE states that the case / search is active. Their search of Castaic lake is pretty much complete but are leaving that door open in case something in the laptop / phone would lead them to believe that divers need to go back to the water or dogs/searchers need to canvass the grounds.
The family is still hopeful that he is alive, whether injured, confused, embarrassed or as some of you speculate "hiding out". Whatever the case may be, we want to find him and will do whatever it takes to do so.
Although it is now day 19, and I am understanding that if he were to be walking around "confused" that someone would have seen him, I still think that he might have been taken in by someone who gave him food/shelter and then he left on his own or maybe (because he know no better) is still there. I CANNOT believe that there are still so many people in the Castaic area that still never heard of Bryce with all the activity there, so I can imagine that it is less known in other areas.
Friday is a big truck turnaround in that area and it will be hit hard by volunteers on Friday to see if maybe someone picked him up shortly after the crash
BBM.
Sorry for not answering right away. i was in court all day yesterday.
This is what I think: There is a HIPPAA exception in the federal law for missing person's cases. It is that if someone is missing, rehabs and hospitals are allowed to disclose certain information to LE so that they can locate the missing person:
The Privacy Rule is balanced to protect an individual’s privacy while allowing important law enforcement functions to continue. The Rule permits covered entities to disclose protected health information (PHI) to law enforcement officials, without the individual’s written authorization, under specific circumstances summarized below.
To respond to a request for PHI for purposes of identifying or locating a suspect, fugitive, material witness or missing person; but the covered entity must limit disclosures of PHI to name and address, date and place of birth, social security number, ABO blood type and rh factor, type of injury, date and time of treatment, date and time of death, and a description of distinguishing physical characteristics. Other information related to the individual’s DNA, dental records, body fluid or tissue typing, samples, or analysis cannot be disclosed under this provision, but may be disclosed in response to a court order, warrant, or written administrative request (45 CFR 164.512(f)(2)).
http://www.hhs.gov/hipaafaq/permitted/law/505.html
But understand that they would give that information to LE, not Bryce's family or parents. Also, my understanding is that they are allowed, but not compelled, in most cases, to give such info. But my firm belief is there is no such organization that would withhold a missing person's whereabouts from LE during an active search for the person.
My heart literally breaks for his family. Í lost my brother in Iraq so I know the pain of losing someone and watch daily as my parent's hearts break over the loss. Even living through that and having daily reminders of what we've lost I can't imagine the pain they must have not knowing where he is. It has to be agony.
With that said, I pray for their sake that he hasn't gone missing intentionally. Taking a few days to sort out some personal issue is one thing but to be gone this long is just cruel to his loved ones. From what I've read, it seems like he was genuinely close to his parents and I can't imagine what would keep him away this long, unless it is against his will.
I live a few towns away from Naperville and I'm keeping my eyes open in case made it back here somehow.
MomTo2, (((hugs))). I cannot imagine losing one of my brothers.
Long time follower new member and big big fan and so much admiration.. Sorry to ask.. in the middle of a huge bus thing do not have access.. can someone sum up why family calling off search etc.. So So appreciated it.. Sorry to ask
WELCOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Welcome! Law Enforcement has called off the search of the Castaic Lake area as thoroughly searched. Family is still searching and LE are still on it as a live case.
Interesting article today.Authorities find 6 bodies in submerged cars in Oklahoma.
online about 2 cars being pulled out of a lake with bodies in them after decades underwater. Two separate missing person cases solved 40-50 years late. Divers with sonar happened upon them while training. Very sad that families didn't know for decades what had happened. Don't let this be the case here.
Hey Kev!! We must have posted at the same time. I was just going to search for the article because my link didn't work. Thanks for posting it saved me a search.
But in that case, the bodies were held down by a car.
Since the lake is deep, I think it's possible that he could have gotten caught in debris on the way down, and now this is weighing down his body and keeping it from surfacing. JMO
Please see below:
Early poster who was very familiar with the lake said no debris, is a mud bottom with some sand.
I found this scuba board several divers mentioned conditions of Castaic Lake
http://www.scubaboard.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-131758.html
Found this as well. You can see a little what its like diving in that lake. Dive team that trains in Castaic Lake.
http://youtu.be/F1A8b73x9Cw
One of the posters said this cut from the site.
Usually you aren't allowed to dive Castaic. We did it (I was with macabejc and Mr Carcharodon last summer as well) because we were part of the LA County ADP program, and had special permission.I have to echo what they said. There's isn't much to see. I do know that deep tech divers occasionally help the sheriff's dept pull drowning victims out of there because it gets to be several hundred feet deep. I grew up near a bunch of fresh water lakes in Michigan, and wanted to dive those as a kid. I didn't learn to dive until living here in SoCal, but I'm tempted to go back at some point. After the local experience I don't expect there to be anything to see though...just want to live out the childhood aspiration.
Thanks for this. You know this is really a man made lake in a very desert area. The video you posted shows high visibility in that lake and really there's nothing to snag on at the bottom and no trees and virtually no brush in the water, as I said before. It's not the bayou. Which is why I highly doubt he's in the lake.
Also, I know some have pointed out cases where bodies are found later in areas that had been searched. And that is clearly a possibility. No doubt. However, this is a sparse desert area, even more desert-like than the area close to where you live, Whiteorchid, where the teens went missing. Since it's not a natural body of water and it;s in an even more desert-like area, there is far less dense brush. Here's a video that shows how spare it is there:
Castiac Lake Hike on 7-5-12 - YouTube
It just wouldn't be easy for a body to remain hidden in the area. It would be easy to spot someone with red hair in the brush from helicopter and even if he was hiding, if he remained there and died, to spot vultures and follow them to where a body may be.
I realize I might be completely wrong but I no longer get the sense Bryce is there. Maybe that's just my hope!!!
I would still like to know what specific location is described as "leading away from the park" that the dogs tracked. I think this would help a lot.
dragracerz - aside from length of time, is the belief that Bryce left the Castaic Rec area based solely on the dog trackings or is there additional info to support this stance by LE?
My feeling is that the additional information would be the lack of any trace of Bryce in the park - such as no dogs, tracking or cadaver, found him, no helicopters or search teams, etc. I mean, compared with where Kyron Horman went missing, for example, this is a very sparse area that is much easier to search, IMO.
RBM
I am confused …
I thought Bruce actually did not break up with his girl friend???
In the beginning his mom said he did not break up with his girl friend, now it looks like they are saying he did break up??
Very confusing.
Dragracerz: Can you clarify this? Did Bryce's girl friend say he did break up with her?
Thanks so much for being here for Bryce. I check this thread several times per day. It is so sad to see his mother upset. Wish I could give her a hug in person.
Having a 19 year old college son gives me much compassion for this family. I am praying for Bryce's safe return. We must continue to have hope.
I get the sense that they have gathered more information since the early stages of the search and know more now.
Do we know where the camera was that caught sight of Bryce's car driving by those two times before the accident? Somewhere on Lake Hughes Road? I was just thinking how if it was, it obviously didn't catch sight of Bryce out of his car, walking, after the accident, or we would have heard about it.
I guess it would depend on how the camera is facing to know if that means much, though. I thought that if it was in a place that captures even people walking by, we could eliminate where BL did not walk, at least.
That's a great question. Where's yellowcamaro?
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