CA CA - Bryce Laspisa, 19, Castaic, 30 Aug 2013 - #6

[kevsrebla]

When I go take new pictures later, I'll make sure to get pictures from the other vantage point (below on MR Rd) as well.

That will be awesome. If you can, without endangering yourself, try to walk the route and take pics. Please be careful out there.

 

[Ghostwheel]

UGH! I feel like we're still stuck on this minutia because we don't have any of of the more importance details:

Was BL suicidal?

Did BL confide in anyone plans to "escape"?

SUV forensics, was BL in SUV when crash occurred? If so, how serious could his injuries be?

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This is just becoming irritating!!! JMO

This is why I don't think the accident site is part of the minutia. If he rolled once up at the top, he'd be far less likely to have severe injuries than if he had made it all the way to the pavement below. If he had been accelerating off through the brush, I'd think suicidal, possible severe head injury and could be deceased or anywhere doing anything and not knowing why. If a single roll at the top behind the enclosure, I'd think accident while contemplating his life, likely not severely hurt, still possibly deceased but less likely, and hopefully off on a walkabout where he didn't originally think how much this would affect people and now does not know how to come back . JMO.

 

[AmandaFast]

That will be awesome. If you can, without endangering yourself, try to walk the route and take pics. Please be careful out there.

Will do my best!

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[SleuthByNight]

First time poster here - Very Very long time reader or WS since the JB Ramsey days. This unusual case however has inspired me to post. Since it is my first post, be kind.... I have a few questions, and observations.

I originally suspected Bryce may have tried to ditch the car intentionally, however after seeing the recent pics from Riverking, that seems very unlikely to me.This would be a very difficult crash to just walk away from, even more so at night regardless of the moonlight. If he had intentionally crashed the car, he would not have picked this spot.

There seem like things we do not know or understand about Bryce and his family - Understandably so. I don't want to imply they are hiding anything from us but there are obviously issues going on here with Bryce which may have contributed to whatever happened.

1. How exactly was he acting to have his key's taken away? What does "acting weird" actually mean? Manic, up, down, aggressive?

2. It seems entirely IN CHARACTER to me for him to just vanish - regardless of talk that he may be sweet, caring, loving etc - evidence indicates there is something wrong here.

3. Rational people do not really behave like this - driving in circles, running out of gas, sleeping on hills, breaking up with GF's in dramatic fashion. Again my point, something is wrong...

4. Regardless of the pot charges themselves - the amount is what troubles me. 10 - 30 grams (I think that is what it was) is not a small amount - and is really much more than "experimentation" as I have heard his drug use characterized as. Someone experiments with one or two or five joints. Again, I mean no disrespect and I have a family member who uses...

5. I have read the timelines - and a rational person just does not seem to behave like this - its almost as if he was waiting for something - or someone, or trying to make a decision before moving on with his journey. Its confusing to me.

So far, the most plausible scenario I have heard is Riverking - He was on his way to tell his parents he needed a break, somehow got sidetracked and the accident accelerated his plans a bit. What became of him after exiting the car, I am not sure at this point.

IMO - as sweet and as wonderful as he is, there was obviously something not right, be it drugs or whatever. I hope he is found soon.

Yes, all good questions. My feeling is that Dragracerz would like to be able to post many pics, but is not allowed to (for investigation reasons). My guess is that most of this entire thread on where the car landed, where it went off the road, whether or not it was in neutral or in gear, front air bags not deployed, etc. have already been answered by someone in LE.

We, the public, are just not privy to it at this point in time. Which makes sense, especially since knowing all of that detailed info would make a huge difference on whether or not they suspect foul play or have a completely different scenario figured out, rather than what we could possibly guess (based on only the evidence released).

And when Dragracerz has time, I'd like to re-visit the scenario in Buttonwillow (or at the exit off I-5). I can't help but think that the 10 to 12 hours that he spent there (before the wrecked car shows up in Castaic), in a place where he allegedly didn't know anybody, is highly significant as to what might have happened next.

If this has already been laid to rest, sorry, otherwise, any theories by an insider (that can be shared) as to why all of that time in and around that small town exit would help me piece some stuff together.....:twocents:

 

[Woe.be.gone]

http://www.castaiclake.com/

This link has probably been posted before. For those of us who haven't seen it before, there's a lot of info to include water level info, temperatures and trail information.

A question based on what I've read so far in case it hasn't been asked/answered already, aren't the bushes beyond where the vehicle landed according to the latest information? In other words, the vehicle didn't travel as far as the bushes? Or are there bushes before the drop-off?

 

[AmandaFast]

Now I'm really confused. It seems like the scent has him going to the lower lagoon?? I doubt he was actually going for the water if that's the case. The upper lake was much closer.

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[Riverking21]

Thank you for posting those pictures of the area. The first thing that I see there is that many of the tracks in the dry grass were not made by only one vehicle going through there once. Other vehicles (or people walking) have been in some of those tracks previously or frequently. In picture 3, to the left looks like new tracks, to the right are tracks that have been used far more than once. Those same tracks are in pictures 1 and 4. Those have been driven in several times, note the wide tracks, how they are deeper in the middle and curve up on the sides, and how the grass between tracks is very tall, but in the tracks is pummeled to dust. In picture three, to the right, you can see where something came thorough and flattened the grass, but the grass that is flattened is tall, not mashed to bits into the ground.

IMO, from the way the pictures look, most of these that I can see are not drag marks (those must be elsewhere), or the marks of a one time vehicle drive/crash, but the tracks of where several vehicles or people have gone down over the course of the summer. Which means it is possible that Bryce saw these tracks, thought they went somewhere, and when he found they did not tried to get himself out of the situation, which is where it all went south. (as it often does when you don't know the terrain or what your vehicle can do). It is also possible that Bryce just tried to drive around the fence enclosure, cut the corner too close and hit the rise at the back corner of the enclosure too fast (the right corner of the enclosure that we see in picture 5) and just flipped it right there. (been there, done that, tore the t-shirt)

As always, your mileage may vary.

Those pics were taken 5 days after the crash and I did not take pics of the drag marks which I'm kicking myself over now

 

[jpsnaggs]

Yes, all good questions. My feeling is that Dragracerz would like to be able to post many pics, but is not allowed to (for investigation reasons). My guess is that most of this entire thread on where the car landed, where it went off the road, whether or not it was in neutral or in gear, front air bags not deployed, etc. have already been answered by someone in LE.

We, the public, are just not privy to it at this point in time. Which makes sense, especially since knowing all of that detailed info would make a huge difference on whether or not they suspect foul play or have a completely different scenario figured out, rather than what we could possibly guess (based on only the evidence released).

And when Dragracerz has time, I'd like to re-visit the scenario in Buttonwillow (or at the exit off I-5). I can't help but think that the 10 to 12 hours that he spent there (before the wrecked car shows up in Castaic), in a place where he allegedly didn't know anybody, is highly significant as to what might have happened next.

If this has already been laid to rest, sorry, otherwise, any theories by an insider (that can be shared) as to why all of that time in and around that small town exit would help me piece some stuff together.....:twocents:

Almost seems to me there was a reason for being there... Or he had been there before.

 

[SleuthByNight]

jpsnaggs, My thoughts exactly!

 

[Niner]

Hi everyone - finally caught up with all the threads... whew! Good luck Amanda!!

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Could another vehicle have pushed it off? Would that make a difference?

your post gave me an idea - YellowCamaro (had a blue one myself!) said there was red plastic broken lights - maybe that's how they got there, someone pushed the car with theirs and hit the back lights?? Just thinking out loud!!

:welcome4: jpsnaggs!

Great first post! Look forward to reading more of your observations!

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Where is Bryce???!!!
Anything new with the sightings in Oregon? I read about him (maybe) being spotted at 5am in Port whatever, but than moonstone (I believe) posted that she saw someone that looked like him about 5:45pm in Portland crossing the street... just saying! He might well be in Portland or still headed north.

:seeya:

 

[BluePoppy]

Now I'm really confused. It seems like the scent has him going to the lower lagoon?? I doubt he was actually going for the water if that's the case. The upper lake was much closer.

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From the crash site, down Main Ramp Rd - keep going straight on the dirt road (Governement Cove) to the water. Then along the water all the way across the dam. Then it stopped. It is unclear from all I've read exactly where the dogs picked up the sent of him "leaving the park".

Some have surmised Bryce may have jumped from the dam to the lower lagoon & swam & exited from somewhere along the lower lagoon area. But I haven't seen anything posted to support that the "exit/leaving" point was around the lower lagoon or from the lower road exiting the boat launch parking lot.

 

[Whiteorchids]

Now I'm really confused. It seems like the scent has him going to the lower lagoon?? I doubt he was actually going for the water if that's the case. The upper lake was much closer.

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Can the family request Marc Klaas team bring in a new set of SAR cross trained cadaver dogs for a second sniff opinion so to speak?

 

[Quester]

Now I'm really confused. It seems like the scent has him going to the lower lagoon?? I doubt he was actually going for the water if that's the case. The upper lake was much closer.

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All reports of dog tracking that I have read have have mentioned BL near Castiac Lake (not lagoon).

I believe it was Riverking who suggested BL may have swam across the lagoon toward a point away from Castiac Lake.

DRZ's post on dog tracking posted here:
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[carterkatt]

Well...Maura Murray...her car was found, she never was, and she had been having a rough time of it, in NH.

Yes! Do you remember that she had had a car accident too? (2 actually!)

 

[Riverking21]

From the crash site, down Main Ramp Rd - keep going straight on the dirt road (Governement Cove) to the water. Then along the water all the way across the dam. Then it stopped. It is unclear from all I've read exactly where the dogs picked up the sent of him "leaving the park".

Some have surmised Bryce may have jumped from the dam to the lower lagoon & swam & exited from somewhere along the lower lagoon area. But I haven't seen anything posted to support that the "exit/leaving" point was around the lower lagoon or from the lower road exiting the boat launch parking lot.

He couldn't jump from the dam. They tracked the scent to the lower lagoon where the over flow is they had a dive team there for 2 days I physically witnesses this.

 

[cluciano63]

Without some new information...going in circles here. Very frustrating, and it is how, IMO, weeks turn into months very quickly.

 

[SmartSassyBBW]

Lol it doesn't help read the last 2 points? For instance there is a video online of a car parked at a stop sign the guy honks at this little old she hits the front of her car with her purse and the airbag deploys. Now if it went front first from that impact wouldn't that set them off? This thing fell of a cliff and nothing? That's how I'm confused. I guess you have to see the pics of the hill to see what I'm saying.

Since his SUV was older it is possible that the air bags didn't deploy because they were defective after all those years.

 

[AmandaFast]

Does anyone know the color of the SUV?

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[RANCH]

Since his SUV was older it is possible that the air bags didn't deploy because they were defective after all those years.

How old is Bryce's SUV? I haven't read that there's a problem with older cars airbags becoming inoperative. How old is "older" where this becomes a problem?

 

[Eileen730]

What if no one was in the car when it crashed.
Could he have gotten out went to talk to someone didn't put it in park or better yet left it in drive for it to crash intentionally.