CA CA - Bryce Laspisa, 19, Castaic, 30 Aug 2013 - #7

[AmandaFast]

Hey, guests, please join us here! I'm sure you have an opinion or comment or something to say about this case and we would LOVE to hear it!!!!!!

You may think you don't have anything important to say but I've seen some great catches on here and smart thoughts that the person posting didn't think were that important.

I see more guests than members on the thread. It's easy to join!!!!

I think the verification process prevents it

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[Whiteorchids]

Haha oops!! I pasted the email I sent dragz and was suppose to take that part out and forgot. He doesn't want me getting into it because the info was never verified but a group of girls decided to interrogate Christian and brought back info that could be very damning to him. However they later retracted there statement with the police leading most to believe it was made up or glamorized version of the truth. Sadly, that's all I can say for now on that.

I used the GPS coordinates from the dispatch report to find out whether not it did lead to a hotel. One of the homeless was at the hotel and one was at the rest stop.

I'll see what I can do about the weekdays!! I definitely think more can be done there for sure.


Hope that helps!!

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Happy birthday Amanda. Mine was on the 16th. Libra is a good sign When you say it could be damning do you mean to Christian or Bryce? Again, thank you for all your hard work. You should get a part time job as an investigator but then again you have a baby at home who needs you.


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[Seajay]

But he did find something to break the back window of the car though. I think you need a tool of some sort to do that because it is relatively hard to break. I believe I read he found a tool to do this. (Might be wrong about these details?) I still feel like the crash might have been intentional, I don't think he was happy at all and it seems like he had a hard time dealing with that.
I think he left everything behind in the car like phone, wallet etc.

If LE searched his computer wouldn't they most likely find leads to "secret friends" or whatever?
And did they find out what he used to break the window of the car?

The use of a tool to break the back window was later discounted. IIRC.

 

[AmandaFast]

Happy birthday Amanda. Mine was on the 16th. Libra is a good sign When you say it could be damning do you mean to Christian or Bryce? Again, thank you for all your hard work. You should get a part time job as an investigator but then again you have a baby at home who needs you.


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Aww thanks!! I've always thought about doing PI work! Having a baby doesn't make anything easy tho for sure! But I love being home with him so maybe when he goes to school someday! PM

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[Voice4theSilent]

No dog tracked and then lost Bryce's scent, at the lake. That keeps being repeated and I was also confused by this at first but Dragracerz cleared that up.



There have been numerous articles that have the mom quoted as stating they took a family portrait a day or two before he left on his road trip. That always struck me as odd, because if he was up there in the Chico area, how was that possible? So it looks like they went up to settle Bryce in and the very next day is when he stayed up all night on Adderall, then the next day he tried or did break up with his girlfriend, and that day he began his trip south. Hopefully I have that right.



I have no idea what happened to Bryce! But I tend to suspect he suffered disassociative fugue or a breakdown of some sort, accidentally or purposefully crashed his car and simply began wandering. I think some of the symptoms began up north and he began wandering down south, without a real purpose in mind, at that time. I fear he could have been reacting to internal stimuli during the trip, either from lack of sleep, or organic causes, hence the long gaps in time during which he was circling or not driving.

Then, when he wandered away from the crash, I suspect he saw a trucker and stuck his thumb out. I don't think someone was there to meet him. I never bought into what seem to me to be complex drug underworld theories or secret plans to disappear with the help of a shadowy third party.

No reason for him to go all the way to tiny Buttonwillow or isolated Castaic to engage in nefarious activities, for example. And where was the time to do that if that was the plan? He starts school but has a plan to suddenly engage in drug trafficking or something, 200 miles away, during the school session, and LE finds no trace of anything in his vehicle? It doesn't make sense to me.

As far as having a concerted, well thought out plan to disappear, meeting someone who was helping him, etc., his behavior in the days beforehand and during the trip, his mom and girlfriend's behavior/reactions, and the overall circumstances just don't seem to point to that to me. (Phone records, computer records or the lack thereof, the timing, etc.). I sense much more impulse and instability involved in this disappearance.

I suspect he wandered impulsively away from the crash site much like he wandered impulsively away from college, and someone picked him up and either has no idea he is missing, because frankly, this story is only big to us, a few others on FB and to those who love Bryce, or the person is too scared to speak up because, if it was a trucker, for example, they are not allowed to carry hitch hikers and the person may think they could lose their job.

That's my best guess but my guess is no better than anyone else's.



If it was planned, is it possible it wasn't planned with a rational mindset?

Thank you.

I think this is where people are getting confused in regards to the photo taken on Monday night/Tuesday morning before Bryce's disappearance. In the below article it states, "The family has a photo taken that afternoon of a “happy” Bryce posing with a Madden sports video game." The photo at the top of the article is not the one mentioned in that quote. The photo they are referring to is the one he posted on his Instagram account. I think people are assuming "having" means they took it, which is not correct. I believe he took the photo of himself holding the Madden game.

http://www.signalscv.com/section/36/article/104116/


Are there generally trucks in the area in which the dog(s) lost Bryce's scent? (I had heard it described as an access road or something to that effect.)

 

[Sopranofan]

Hi all, brand new here and still learning how to navigate this site. Meantime, reading all the posts and taking it all in.

 

[Voice4theSilent]

Wasn't his backpack or gym bag found neatly sitting there, opened up, as if someone opened it after the crash but then decided to leave pretty much everything behind? I seem to remember something like that.



True. I have little confidence in LA LE as a result. And their track record with missing persons is not the best. That's why I don't think they will be pivotal in finding Bryce at all. It will be up to non-LE to find this kid, I think. Chance or someone spots something or someone talks.

BBM

The bag was found "at the rear of the car and zipped open, prompting investigators to suspect he took something from it." No confirmation as to where exactly it was located in relation to the rear of the car. I assume it was sitting in a way in which would not have been consistent with the other items in the tumbled car to make them believe it was accessed following the crash and not just left in his car unzipped prior to the crash. I guess the million dollar question is, what did he take from the bag?

http://www.signalscv.com/section/36/article/104116/

 

[Voice4theSilent]

Hi all, brand new here and still learning how to navigate this site. Meantime, reading all the posts and taking it all in.

:welcome6:

Please join in the discussion when you are ready....we could definitely use some fresh ideas!

 

[cluciano63]

BBM

The bag was found "at the rear of the car and zipped open, prompting investigators to suspect he took something from it." No confirmation as to where exactly it was located in relation to the rear of the car. I assume it was sitting in a way in which would not have been consistent with the other items in the tumbled car to make them believe it was accessed following the crash and not just left in his car unzipped prior to the crash. I guess the million dollar question is, what did he take from the bag?

http://www.signalscv.com/section/36/article/104116/

Or it was never zipped. When I used to drive any distances, I would have my bag open to reach in and out for stuff.

 

[Mazer]

It's interesting that the people who remembered seeing BL in BW mentioned a sleeveless undershirt (whitebeater).

As I've mentioned before there was a web site that contained a picture of BL wearing just such an undershirt. The picture was a clear frontal view with perhaps him sitting. I was able to access that web site via a simple google web search of "bryce laspisa" on or about Sept. 21. Shortly after that the web site no longer appeared as a result of the same simple google search. I have not been able to locate that picture on the web again. Perhaps that site has been cached and still accessible by someone more web savvy.

I noticed the site/picture missing after the reported possible sighting near Port Orford, Or. Perhaps a coincidence or perhaps not.

 

[Voice4theSilent]

Or it was never zipped. When I used to drive any distances, I would have my bag open to reach in and out for stuff.

I don't think it was the fact that the bag was just unzipped that made them think something was removed from it. I would think that, if LE suspected something was taken out of it following the crash, it was sitting behind the back of the car, upright, unzipped and open in a way that made it seem like something had been removed after the crash and not just found laying inside of the car unzipped.

 

[nikb]

I posted several threads back that I read on a fishing site that the water by the dam is deep, in relation to other fishing areas in the lake. (Of course, that doesn't help in telling us exactly HOW deep is deep.)

I've seen 330' in several places - here's one: http://www.castaiclake.com/upperlake.html. "The maximum depth of the reservoir is approximately 330 feet deep."

 

[Voice4theSilent]

It's interesting that the people who remembered seeing BL in BW mentioned a sleeveless undershirt (whitebeater).

As I've mentioned before there was a web site that contained a picture of BL wearing just such an undershirt. The picture was a clear frontal view with perhaps him sitting. I was able to access that web site via a simple google web search of "bryce laspisa" on or about Sept. 21. Shortly after that the web site no longer appeared as a result of the same simple google search. I have not been able to locate that picture on the web again. Perhaps that site has been cached and still accessible by someone more web savvy.

I noticed the site/picture missing after the reported possible sighting near Port Orford, Or. Perhaps a coincidence or perhaps not.

There are several of him wearing one on his girlfriend's Instagram and one on his Instagram (the outfit on his Instagram appears to be very similar to the one he was reportedly wearing when he was last seen, though the shirt is over his shoulder and not on.)

 

[Voice4theSilent]

I've seen 330' in several places - here's one: http://www.castaiclake.com/upperlake.html. "The maximum depth of the reservoir is approximately 330 feet deep."

Does that mean 330' at the dam or in the deepest part of the lake?

 

[slowpoke]

It would be interesting to know if the first dog traced the scent through the brush down to the lake or down the road to the lake. I would be more apt to throw the first dog's results out if the other's tracked his scent down to the water through the brush and the first traced it down the road to the water's edge. If it was traced down through the brush how many people in that area would be walking through the brush in that area? It was determined that Bryce's scent was tracked by the bloodhounds through the brush, correct?

It wasn't clear to me if the bloodhounds tracked BL traveling through the brush. Dragracerz has stated that "The path drawn is inaccurate - I was in a hurry to post something to better clarify and even if I post revised version, the "old" one is still on here"
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I think it's possible it was just a very general directional map of the path the dogs tracked, and that the bloodhounds could have tracked him going down main ramp road. Perhaps Dragracerz could clarify this.

 

[nikb]

Does that mean 330' at the dam or in the deepest part of the lake?

Good question. I assume it means deepest part of the lake, but I wonder, is the deepest part of the lake at the dam? Maybe someone better with topo maps can help us with this question.

 

[gitana1]

I think the verification process prevents it

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I don't know what you mean, doll!! Anyone can join Websleuths with a screenname they pick. No one has to be verified to post here!

Thank you.

I think this is where people are getting confused in regards to the photo taken on Monday night/Tuesday morning before Bryce's disappearance. In the below article it states, "The family has a photo taken that afternoon of a “happy” Bryce posing with a Madden sports video game." The photo at the top of the article is not the one mentioned in that quote. The photo they are referring to is the one he posted on his Instagram account. I think people are assuming "having" means they took it, which is not correct. I believe he took the photo of himself holding the Madden game.

http://www.signalscv.com/section/36/article/104116/


Are there generally trucks in the area in which the dog(s) lost Bryce's scent? (I had heard it described as an access road or something to that effect.)

Oh, okay. That makes sense! But the wording is odd!

As to trucks on that access road, if you mean near where Bryce's vehicle was found, that's Main Ramp Road and appears to be used a lot to get to the lake. I'm sure many vehicles and people navigate it at various times when it is open to the public.

As to where Bryce's scent disappeared, the area is literally right off the 5 freeway, right off Lake Hughes Road, quite close to a shopping center and surrounded by parking areas for people wanting to hang out at the lake. I can easily conceive of a trucker or lonely traveller parked around there over night, waiting to leave first thing in the morning.

Take a look on google maps. It is interesting.

Hi all, brand new here and still learning how to navigate this site. Meantime, reading all the posts and taking it all in.

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[RoseGarden]

BBM. Awesome idea! I wonder how you go about finding someone that does that? Computer specialist, I assume?

I'm so glad you were able to go to buttonwillow, and I hope you're able to share a bit with us.

Ah ha! Another thread to pull Okay, a computer specialist is not needed - it is simply a utility into which you can plug any photo url and see the geotag - Whoohoo! The Geotag is EXIF data. To view EXIF data, all you need is a web browser. There is no need to download extra software on your computer. Navigate to Jeffrey's EXIF Viewer. Unlike many other tools available, this one keeps it simple and focuses on location information so you don't have to sort through a lot of unnecessary data. It *should* work for photos in question. I've not tried this online tool as yet, but fingers are crossed.

Amanda's post about a fellow teen/ young adult possibly in conversation with Bryce in Buttonwillow may lead somewhere. Thank you so very much, Amanda! :applause:

 

[Redux]

Ah ha! Another thread to pull Okay, a computer specialist is not needed - it is simply a utility into which you can plug any photo url and see the geotag - Whoohoo! The Geotag is EXIF data. To view EXIF data, all you need is a web browser. There is no need to download extra software on your computer. Navigate to Jeffrey's EXIF Viewer. Unlike many other tools available, this one keeps it simple and focuses on location information so you don't have to sort through a lot of unnecessary data. It *should* work for photos in question. I've not tried this online tool as yet, but fingers are crossed.

Amanda's post about a fellow teen/ young adult possibly in conversation with Bryce in Buttonwillow may lead somewhere. Thank you so very much, Amanda! :applause:

I just tried this, and I can't believe how much information it can give you. The one thing it didn't give me though was a location? Hmm, I'll try a different pic.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

What family portrait was taken days before he disappeared? IIRC he hadn't seen his parents in a few weeks. Do you have a link to the photo? TIA

I thought I read that the picture of Bryce with his mom and dad (on FB) where Bryce is standing up behind his mom and dad who are sitting down - was taken shortly prior to his disappearance. Some things I read I take at face value but who knows if info in true or not. Does anybody else remember reading that the family just had taken a group photo before Bryce disappeared?

If my statement is incorrect, I'm sorry. I'll try to find the source but am not willing to spend too much time as obviously the picture was taken not too long ago (but I suppose it could be a year or so ago versus just days or weeks). I swear somebody else posted the information or it showed up in a news article as I didn't pull it out of my own head. (Just wonder why nobody questioned the info then.)

Scroll down in this article. There are three nice photos including the one I referenced.
http://www.miaminewsday.com/nationa...ssing-teen-s-crashed-suv-found-abandoned.html