Recovered/Located CA - Cecil Knutson (dec'd), Dianna Bedwell (inj'd), Valley Ctr, 10 May 2015

[FindHG]

I was asleep at the switch and missed the discovery by hours. But I saw that someone had already gone into the map and very competently added markers to reflect the discovery. And someone else, Windrower I think, thanked me for it! This is a business model I can work with!

Seriously. The Google map is 'shared' so anyone can edit it. It's easy to. If you have good, TOS compliant information with a location peg, please feel free to put it on the map. Let me know if I can help anyone past the learning curve. It's short and gentle.

https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?mid=z_XRj_yu3Dto.khuzU1KdCXHY

Forager, has knowing maps ever saved you from having me getting us lost looking for shortcuts?

Steelman's Map for Cecil Knutson and Wife

This is a fence near the area where they were said to try to come out of. From the CBS 2 news story.





Family representative confirms missing Fullerton couple found, man dead and wife now hospitalized
By Jordan Graham, Staff Writer, OC Register, May 24, '15, 10:20 pm

A pretty concise description, you may want check, of the area in this story includes this, in a side bar labeled "A Wrong Turn?":

"when driving north on State Route 79, there is a long bend near Camino San Ignacio Road, where the two-lane highway could conceivably be hard to distinguish, and where the intersection of the two streets looks more like a fork in the road. Follow Camino San Ignacio Road for 17 miles, as it changes names several times, and it passes directly through Schoepe Scout Reservation at Lost Valley – the location where the missing couple was found Sunday."

 

[mrsobrien]

This is bittersweet. ...

 

[zwiebel]

So sad for Mr Knutson, but thank heaven for off-highway drivers. This isn't the first time they've found our missing.

I hope Mrs Bedwell recovers soon.

 

[Forager]

Forager, has knowing maps ever saved you from having me getting us lost looking for shortcuts?

View attachment 75209 Steelman's Map for Cecil Knutson and Wife

This is a fence near the area where they were said to try to come out of. From the CBS 2 news story.

View attachment 75208



Family representative confirms missing Fullerton couple found, man dead and wife now hospitalized
By Jordan Graham, Staff Writer, OC Register, May 24, '15, 10:20 pm

A pretty concise description, you may want check, of the area in this story includes this, in a side bar labeled "A Wrong Turn?":

"when driving north on State Route 79, there is a long bend near Camino San Ignacio Road, where the two-lane highway could conceivably be hard to distinguish, and where the intersection of the two streets looks more like a fork in the road. Follow Camino San Ignacio Road for 17 miles, as it changes names several times, and it passes directly through Schoepe Scout Reservation at Lost Valley – the location where the missing couple was found Sunday."

Thanks for all the good material. I've been stuffing it in behind map markers as fast as I can.

I'm a little perplexed by the location description involving Camino San Ignacio Rd. That would suggest a location for the discovery that is many miles from the "3100 block of Chihuahua Rd." description usually cited as the location of the discovery. I've added a marker for the Camino San Ignacio Rd. with a disclaimer.

And yes, we have certainly achieved the same sort of confusion in real life, but I always love getting lost with you.

https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?mid=z_XRj_yu3Dto.khuzU1KdCXHY

 

[FindHG]

And yes, we have certainly achieved the same sort of confusion in real life, but I always love getting lost with you.

briefed respectfully

I'm kind of confused too.

Knutson & Bedwell Map (Forager, et al, click on icon for more info)


Very nice to know, Forager, I must have missed that sentiment while we were driving around lost.

 

[alreetlike]

Wow, I'm amazed at this. I hope she pulls through.

 

[Forager]

T-Mobile coverage in the case area.

As a screenshot:

from this T-Mobile coverage map site:
http://www.t-mobile.com/coverage.html

 

[steelman]

I think a lot of the confusion as to their exact location is based on media reports that they were "near this" and "near that". It all depends on what your definition of "near" would be.

It wasn’t until May 24 that several ATV riders came upon the couple’s car Sunday afternoon in a remote area of the Los Coyotes Indian Reservation, only accessible by off-roaders. The Hyundai was resting at an angle on a muddy hill, under a tree.

Both Knutson and Bedwell were found inside the vehicle. Bedwell was conscious and coherent, and able to identify herself. Knutson had died, but it wasn’t clear at what point he passed away.

“It looks like they were surviving on rainwater. There were cups around, they were drinking rainwater as it rained. They had been out there, for all indications, since May 10,” Los Coyotes Tribal Police Department Chief Dave Sossaman said. “It’s obvious they were walking around. There footsteps were spotted in the area and it appears they tried to walk out two different times.”

Bedwell told investigators they were living off oranges and pie that they were bringing to their son’s house for the Mother’s Day get-together. Both had diabetes and needed insulin shots.
She said they were trying to take a shortcut when they got lost.

Sanchez said the car was on an incline and had been surrounded by mud.

"We don't have any information as to any damage to the vehicle that would indicate there was an accident involving another vehicle. What we do know is that the vehicle was found in a position where it was at an incline, leading investigators to believe they may have been taken off the road somehow," Sanchez said.

Their disappearance led to several ground and aerial searches of the back country. On Sunday afternoon, several people in off-road vehicles found the couple.

Bedwell said she survived on rain water and some food that was in the car. Nelson said investigators had a "very limited" conversation with Bedwell, and weren't able to ask how or when Knutson died.

Nelson said the couple tried to take a shortcut several miles from the main road and ended up stuck on boulders in rugged terrain.

http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2015...vation-husband-dead-wife-severely-dehydrated/

http://abc7.com/news/missing-fullerton-couple-found-near-warner-springs/739913/

http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/Two-People-Found-North-San-Diego-County-304871471.html



Going by the highlighted description, it doesn't sound like they were sitting in the parking lot of the Boy Scout camp waiting to be rescued, but somewhere "near there" , their car went off the road and became stuck or disabled.
I don't think any of the maps generated show the location they were actually found........including the one I published.

I think the reason they keep referring to 3100 Chihuahua Valley Rd. is because it is the closest actual physical address that can be pinpointed on a map or GPS, unlike the area where they were actually stranded, which has no address.

 

[steelman]

Knutson’s daughter Kristen Smith said last week that police showed her cell phone evidence that suggested her father had not taken his typical route from Valley Center to La Quinta.

http://www.ocregister.com/articles/couple-662949-dead-san.html


I guess this is the end result when you withhold information and keep stuff "private". Apparently there were cell phone pings that were not reported to anybody, including the MSM and the public. People were searching in the wrong area needlessly, including everybody in here.

A week ago his son stated that he had been given some additional information by LE but they told him to keep it private. Apparently he did.

I better stop commenting now, before I say some things that are going to get me in hot water............but I think everybody can see where this is heading.

 

[FindHG]

This is tilt view from the of this marker which is in 31000 block of Chihuahua Valley Rd linked here, there are hills on both side, but it seems to me the side that is screen capped with the hills closer may have been the direction they went.

It's fortunate Dianna was found alive. I hope she recovers from two weeks of the worse hardship. May she and her family heal.

https://www.google.com/maps/@33.38528,-116.670423,654m/data=!3m1!1e3?hl=en

 

[Inthedetails]

I remember reading this thread when it was raining in the location. People commented that the rainwater could help provide drinking water for the couple if they were still alive after a crash. They were right!!! Hooray!

So sorry about the loss of Paul. He seemed like a gentleman and in love with his wife. RIP.

All the best to Dianna as she recovers physically and emotionally.

 

[Treelights]

Knutson’s daughter Kristen Smith said last week that police showed her cell phone evidence that suggested her father had not taken his typical route from Valley Center to La Quinta.

http://www.ocregister.com/articles/couple-662949-dead-san.html


I guess this is the end result when you withhold information and keep stuff "private". Apparently there were cell phone pings that were not reported to anybody, including the MSM and the public. People were searching in the wrong area needlessly, including everybody in here.

A week ago his son stated that he had been given some additional information by LE but they told him to keep it private. Apparently he did.

I better stop commenting now, before I say some things that are going to get me in hot water............but I think everybody can see where this is heading.

Thing is, in my opinion, we don't exactly know what they are referring to.
For example on May 18th in this link provided:


"May 17, 2015 Updated May 18, 2015 4:05 p.m."

"Smith said police sent her evidence that showed her father's cell phone pinged off one tower at the casino and then another by the intersection of Deer Springs Road and I-15 in Escondido.

"The (cell phone records) don't make sense," Smith said. "There are three paths he could have taken (to get to La Quinta). ... and Deer Springs has nothing to do with those paths, which is weird." "

http://www.ocregister.com/articles/family-662135-vigil-search.html

And as for the son, we don't know what information was given to him. It could have been why they wouldn't release the video of Dianna and Paul, "Cecil".
Maybe there was a parallel investigation that had nothing to do with Dianna and Paul, or maybe they weren't sure if the video provided future clues
as to perps if there were perps.

IMOO.

 

[Treelights]

I haven't read whether Dianna was conscious or not. I hope she wasn't in a diabetic coma. The article I read stated she was dehydrated and airlifted to the hospital. Anyone heard/read anything else?

"Both Knutson and Bedwell were found inside the vehicle. Bedwell was conscious and coherent, and able to identify herself. Knutson had died, but it wasn’t clear at what point he passed away."

http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2015...vation-husband-dead-wife-severely-dehydrated/

 

[Tssiemer]

I thought he was outside the car


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[inmyhumbleopinion]

Knutson’s daughter Kristen Smith said last week that police showed her cell phone evidence that suggested her father had not taken his typical route from Valley Center to La Quinta.

http://www.ocregister.com/articles/couple-662949-dead-san.html


I guess this is the end result when you withhold information and keep stuff "private". Apparently there were cell phone pings that were not reported to anybody, including the MSM and the public. People were searching in the wrong area needlessly, including everybody in here.

A week ago his son stated that he had been given some additional information by LE but they told him to keep it private. Apparently he did.

I better stop commenting now, before I say some things that are going to get me in hot water............but I think everybody can see where this is heading.

(Not being sarcastic; I'm seriously wondering): Why would they withhold such information? I even thought (& I really hate to think that this was their thinking ): Is it possible that at some point LE were made aware of people looking for Paul & Diana solely for the purpose of robbing them (i.e., that some people were thinking along the lines of "Wow, they had been to a casino right before they went missing ... maybe there is a ton of cash sitting in that car!")? So no more "random" people searching for them, they decided? This can't be, right? This may be a tougher call than it appears, though ...: Obviously, as a family member, you don't care about the money: You just want your mom & dad found ASAP, & want as many "foot soldiers" as possible out there. But, you don't want to put them (in this case, older & without the medication they require) in an even more vulnerable position than they already are by potentially giving information to those with less than savory intentions, either ....

 

[Tssiemer]

No it's ridiculous. This Information should have been given to the searchers they could have been found a lot earlier IMO.


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[ClaireNC]

Prayers to the family. So sorry for Dianna and what she went through and loosing her husband. On top of that, she has had some horrific events in her life. Just a little bit of info I had not seen before: "Bedwell is the sister of a teenager, whose torture and murder in Indianapolis made headlines 50 years ago. Sylvia Marie Likens was killed at a home on the east side." It's a famous and gruesome case.

http://www.wthr.com/story/29147577/...s-to-brutal-indiana-murder-found-husband-dead

 

[GigTu]

Because this decision was made, a man died. Unnecessarily.

 

[Tssiemer]

Because this decision was made, a man died. Unnecessarily.

I wonder when and how he died. I hope Dianna finds some comfort that they were together when he died.


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[Treelights]

Because this decision was made, a man died. Unnecessarily.

But how do we know what decisions were made?
The daughter mentioned on May 18th about cell phone pings and she didn't understand the Deer Springs ping.
Well, that would have been a path that they normally would not have taken, I suppose, the way the daughter talks about it in this link:

"Smith said police sent her evidence that showed her father's cell phone pinged off one tower at the casino and then another by the intersection of Deer Springs Road and I-15 in Escondido.

"The (cell phone records) don't make sense," Smith said. "There are three paths he could have taken (to get to La Quinta). ... and Deer Springs has nothing to do with those paths, which is weird." "

http://www.ocregister.com/articles/family-662135-vigil-search.html

My question is, given this information from May 18th, how do we assume that LE kept other pings from the public?
How do we assume or think that this was hidden info?

LE could have been talking about the Deer Springs ping, and the daughter as well, as the path that they normally would not take.

All My Opinion.