Recovered/Located CA - Cecil Knutson (dec'd), Dianna Bedwell (inj'd), Valley Ctr, 10 May 2015

[steelman]

I'll tell you this much, if Dianna Bedwell could find the strength and courage to write a book about what happened up on top of that mountain for the last two weeks, it would be a bestseller.

 

[GigTu]

Forager to FindHG:

And yes, we have certainly achieved the same sort of confusion in real life, but I always love getting lost with you.

Awwwwwwwww :heartbeat:

 

[steelman]

But how do we know what decisions were made?
The daughter mentioned on May 18th about cell phone pings and she didn't understand the Deer Springs ping.
Well, that would have been a path that they normally would not have taken, I suppose, the way the daughter talks about it in this link:

"Smith said police sent her evidence that showed her father's cell phone pinged off one tower at the casino and then another by the intersection of Deer Springs Road and I-15 in Escondido.

"The (cell phone records) don't make sense," Smith said. "There are three paths he could have taken (to get to La Quinta). ... and Deer Springs has nothing to do with those paths, which is weird." "

http://www.ocregister.com/articles/family-662135-vigil-search.html

My question is, given this information from May 18th, how do we assume that LE kept other pings from the public?
How do we assume or think that this was hidden info?

LE could have been talking about the Deer Springs ping, and the daughter as well, as the path that they normally would not take.

All My Opinion.

Reference post #319..........it's not just all about the daughter.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...La-Quinta-10-May-2015&p=11777243#post11777243

 

[Treelights]

Reference post #319..........it's not just all about the daughter.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...La-Quinta-10-May-2015&p=11777243#post11777243

Yes, but we don't know the info that the son received that he wasn't going to divulge.
Since he saw all of the video footage, that info could have come from that video. At the time, they didn't know what happened to them, and a parallel
investigation was going on.
I understand that others see this differently than I do, but frankly we don't know what info was with held.

IMOO.

 

[GigTu]

Wait, didn't he indicate that there were additional phone pings that weren't disclosed? I could swear I just read that but now I can't find it.

 

[steelman]

Wait, didn't he indicate that there were additional phone pings that weren't disclosed? I could swear I just read that but now I can't find it.

I saw the same thing.....but the article was either wiped or updated and revised..........CYA

 

[steelman]

Yes, but we don't know the info that the son received that he wasn't going to divulge.
Since he saw all of the video footage, that info could have come from that video. At the time, they didn't know what happened to them, and a parallel
investigation was going on.
I understand that others see this differently than I do, but frankly we don't know what info was with held.

IMOO.

The information about the Deer Valley ping was common knowledge from the git-go. The cell information that was shared with the daughter came out some time last week. It doesn't match-up, therefore it is suspect.

 

[Treelights]

Wait, didn't he indicate that there were additional phone pings that weren't disclosed? I could swear I just read that but now I can't find it.

Not saying you didn't read it, but wouldn't that be something that we would have discussed on the thread once it was found out there were additional pings that weren't disclosed?

This is confusing!
IMOO.

 

[MzOpinion8d]

Can someone explain what "a parallel investigation" even means? Two people were lost. Shouldn't there simply have been ONE investigation trying to find them, following every lead? I'm confused by the terminology I guess. It seems to imply the couple were being investigated as criminals or something.

 

[Treelights]

Can someone explain what "a parallel investigation" even means? Two people were lost. Shouldn't there simply have been ONE investigation trying to find them, following every lead? I'm confused by the terminology I guess. It seems to imply the couple were being investigated as criminals or something.

But we don't know what kind of parallel investigation was going on.
It could have had something to do with something else happening at the casino,
or maybe they were investigating other avenues.
LE wouldn't divulge what the parallel investigation entailed.

IMOO.

 

[Tssiemer]

I understand some things being kept undisclosed. I totally do. But if I was lost I'd want EVERYONE (especially you guys to know) everything about last phone pings and sightings and who I last takes to and other things for a better chance to find me!

I feel like you guys could find me better than most.


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[Treelights]

From the beginning there was a female reporter on video that mentioned about a cellphone ping a couple miles north of the casino.
That was in the early stages when the maps were being made on the thread with the Deer Springs road ping, and I didn't understand about the ping being a couple miles north, so I didn't say anything on the thread about that.

But here in this current link, it is also disclosed.

Is this the pings that you all are talking about that weren't disclosed?
IMOO.

http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2015...vation-husband-dead-wife-severely-dehydrated/

"Knutson’s and Bedwell’s cell phones last pinged a few miles north of the casino, and then they were shut off."

 

[Tssiemer]

The shutting off of the phones puzzles me too. I just think they were in a dead zone not off. IMO.


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[Treelights]

The shutting off of the phones puzzles me too. I just think they were in a dead zone not off. IMO.


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But why would hers be shut off before his?

IMOO.

 

[sleuthinginca]

Can someone explain what "a parallel investigation" even means? Two people were lost. Shouldn't there simply have been ONE investigation trying to find them, following every lead? I'm confused by the terminology I guess. It seems to imply the couple were being investigated as criminals or something.

Someone had stolen some license plates of a car at a different near by casino right around the same time. That may have been the parallel investigation which had nothing to do with them being missing.

 

[Treelights]

In this video at the 2 minute 5 second mark the female reporter mentions that the son mentioned that the phone pinged a couple miles north of the casino and then were shut off.

Is this what you all are talking about, this being undisclosed pings?
This video was taken at the beginning of the investigation.
This info was not held back.
Maybe this is not what you all are talking about?
Sorry,I am a bit confused.
IMOO.

http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/vide...ted-missing-after-leaving-valley-view-casino/

 

[Tssiemer]

The shutting off of the phones puzzles me too. I just think they were in a dead zone not off. IMO.


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It was in her purse and lost signal quicker.

Happens to me all the time.

ETA: Also my husband and I have he exact same phone on the same carrier plan. We were at a hotel his weekend and I could barely get 1 bar while he had 3. I even restarted my phone and still couldn't get reception. He thought it was my phone case. I didn't take it off though.

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[callyn]

Forager, has knowing maps ever saved you from having me getting us lost looking for shortcuts?

View attachment 75209 Steelman's Map for Cecil Knutson and Wife

This is a fence near the area where they were said to try to come out of. From the CBS 2 news story.

View attachment 75208



Family representative confirms missing Fullerton couple found, man dead and wife now hospitalized
By Jordan Graham, Staff Writer, OC Register, May 24, '15, 10:20 pm

A pretty concise description, you may want check, of the area in this story includes this, in a side bar labeled "A Wrong Turn?":

"when driving north on State Route 79, there is a long bend near Camino San Ignacio Road, where the two-lane highway could conceivably be hard to distinguish, and where the intersection of the two streets looks more like a fork in the road. Follow Camino San Ignacio Road for 17 miles, as it changes names several times, and it passes directly through Schoepe Scout Reservation at Lost Valley – the location where the missing couple was found Sunday."

I posted that I thought this is what happened. Posted maps showing that bend in 79 with San Ignacio to the right. No one responded except to criticize. I still think this is what very well may have happened.

 

[inmyhumbleopinion]

The shutting off of the phones puzzles me too. I just think they were in a dead zone not off. IMO.


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I've wondered about this with other cases as well. Can LE tell -with current technology- whether a phone: i) has been turned off manually; ii) ran out of battery; or iii) is outside coverage area? I ask this because at least to me, there is a difference between the three. For example, with the OnStar-like system that their car was purportedly equipped with, reports said that efforts to reach them were unsuccessful, but did not give a definitive reason: They just said this happens when the system has either been removed from the vehicle or broken. When I'm told that a phone has been shut off, my assumption is that the person using it turned it off intentionally.

 

[katydid23]

I posted that I thought this is what happened. Posted maps showing that bend in 79 with San Ignacio to the right. No one responded except to criticize. I still think this is what very well may have happened.

YEP. You called it:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...La-Quinta-10-May-2015&p=11797570#post11797570


callyn

Here's my map of what I think may have happened. I think they turned onto Camino San Ignacio instead of making the left curve to stay on 79. I'm going to try to post a map. Keeping fingers crossed

This is south of Chihuahua Valley road, because of the left turning of 79 I feel its the most likely spot they got confused. They may have been in really bad shape by then, at least whoever was driving.