CA - Chelsea King (17) Rancho Bernardo (north San Diego County) #2

[Curious Me]

Not sure if anyone saw this story that 10 News San Diego aired last night but apparently last fall..a couple in Escondido saw what they think was JAG watching girls running. This was in Jesmond Dene park on the north side of the city...only a few blocks from Amber Dubois high school. They reported to EPD..but is unknown what became of it. Heres the video link

http://www.10news.com/video/22718463/index.html

Thank You for posting this Lewydawg. I did see the couple and believe the man was really shaken when he heard about Chelsea missing and JAG arrested. Bless that couple, they actually called it into EPD and filed a report with a car description, etc., I think it could have been that monster on a hunt for prey.

 

[fran]

OH, MY GOSH!!! That is one of the most INSENSITIVE, OFFENSIVE things I have ever seen from any media source whatsoever!!!
I am also shocked and VERY :furious:

I see many Websleuthers contacted the station regarding this insensitive photo/shop. Me too.

I keep checking to see if the remove it. As of about a minute ago, it was still up.


fran

 

[justsomeinfo]

Okay, I actually went to High School with John and was friends with some of the people he was friends with, and here's what I can tell you

He's a Rim of the World High School grad, class of '97. I've seen a few people leave comments about how they went to High School with him and that he was a "creep" then, but the fact of the matter is, he was seen as nice, charasmatic, and was VERY well liked. No one who knew him could believe the charges against him in 2000. He had people lined up to be character witnesses for him in court, but eventually admitted that he'd done it. We were all SHOCKED when we heard what a monster he truly was. It just goes to show that you don't truly know anyone.


From what I know of his former girlfriends (one of which he has twin boys with) they were both very small and petite-- just like the girls he's been attacking.

As for the twins, this shouldn't be seen as a huge thing, as from what I understand he's had no contact with them for quite some time. And she did know about his past, but this person is pretty much the sweetest, kindest most optimistic person in the world, and if there was anyone who could still see "good" in someone like him, it was her. Please don't judge her. She also knew him before the incident in 2000, and, like I said, if you knew John then, you didn't just know him as the child killer he is now. She just chose to believe in the facade, not his true self.

As for the 'roid rage theory, I doubt it. He seems to have fluxuated in neck size, but I think that has more to do with the pictures than him. He'd always been a beefy guy in the neck area... he's kind of built like a football player. He also doesn't really look like the guy in the Walmart video and it's kind of too young for his M.O. but I guess it's possible.

All I can say is that there is one saving grace in this tragedy, and that is that he left evidence behind and that he'll never be able to do this again. I cried when I heard they found Chelsea's body. Hopefully this case will change the way sexual preditors are processed in the system.

 

[KaylynnCouture]

I see many Websleuthers contacted the station regarding this insensitive photo/shop. Me too.

I keep checking to see if the remove it. As of about a minute ago, it was still up.


fran

I think it's gone now..I didn't see what it originally was, but I don't see anything offensive on page 2.

 

[KaylynnCouture]

Welcome JustSomeInfo and thank you for posting.

 

[Texas Mist]

I think it's gone now..I didn't see what it originally was, but I don't see anything offensive on page 2.

Thanks KC!

And thanks everybody else for speaking up!!!

Nobody needed to see that tasteless pic....I can't imagine the pain if Chelsea's family & friends had seen it.

 

[smart blonde]

It is so sad to see the words, "Found Deceased", added to the title of this thread.

 

[Curious Me]

The graffetti on JAG's parents home has been painted over already, but it said "Chelsea's blood on You. Move."

The neighbor across the street gave his opinion for a good five minutes that the whole neighborhood is being threatened because of the OUTRAGE OF THIS ...........

On Fox News Live Local News

 

[smart blonde]

If John Gardner is in any way also associated with the disappearance of Amber DuBois, I hope Amber's family gets some answers soon.

 

[fran]

justsomeinfo

Bless your heart and thank you for posting.

WELCOME to Websleuths!

I imagine this would be very difficult for anyone that knew him in RL to comprehend that they actually know someone that is capable of such evil. It just shows how we really don't know many people we're acquainted with.

Sincerely,
fran

 

[fran]

The graffetti on JAG's parents home has been painted over already, but it said "Chelsea's blood on You. Move."

The neighbor across the street gave his opinion for a good five minutes that the whole neighborhood is being threatened because of the OUTRAGE OF THIS ...........

On Fox News Live Local News

This is but an example of the wreck of victims crimes of this magnitude leave behind in their wake.

Very sad,

fran

 

[Angelo]

If John Gardner is in any way also associated with the disappearance of Amber DuBois, I hope Amber's family gets some answers soon.

Me too. My heart breaks for Amber and her family. Amber's family have done so much on their own to try and find Amber.

I have so many "if onlys" with Amber's case.

 

[KaylynnCouture]

The graffetti on JAG's parents home has been painted over already, but it said "Chelsea's blood on You. Move."

The neighbor across the street gave his opinion for a good five minutes that the whole neighborhood is being threatened because of the OUTRAGE OF THIS ...........

On Fox News Live Local News

Well, maybe if his parents wouldn't have been so rude to the media and would've offered some condolences to Chelseas family and all the other victims their son has effected...that wouldn't have happened.

JMO.

 

[sarx]

Had to turn off the computer last night and breath.

To What Mick "saw", can anyone that frequents the park answer-do homeless and/or runaways frequent the park? I remember early on people talking about encampments but don't remember if that was from a reliable source or not. It is very possible if it was that Mick could be seeing an old grave site from someone that is missing from a completely different area or maybe was never reported missing at all but had made this park home.

Is the area Mick is referring to in the search area that is blocked off? If it's not it is not likely that LE will go looking there on the "hunch" of someone on a website forum.

 

[cluciano63]

I know how frustrated and angry people are, especially those in the area, but i don't see how the grafitti helps...i guess they get some momentary release by doing SOMETHING...and I am sure that his parents have been told by counsel not to say a word...
i think it is possible that JG never went back home between Thursday and time he was arrested...unless it has been proven otherwise...i guess he could have been sleeping "rough" or in a vehicle (do we know yet if he had one) and maybe his parents had no idea where he was (although surely it crossed their minds...) do we even know for sure that they did not call police to let them know JG was in the area?
I am NOT defending anyone here...just waiting until we know more. If we hear his parents leaping to his defense or trying to give him an alibi, well then, that's different.

 

[concentric]

I understand the sentiment, but I am angered (not at you, of course) on the principle of this idea.

Why must it seem as if the victims are doing something stupid?

Why can't we as a society finally get angry enough that we take back our streets, and parks, and jogging trails, and even our very homes, and say enough is enough!

I am so hurt and angry right now. I am so sick of these violent sexual predators/ rapists/ molestors/ murderers ruling our towns, cities, states, country. I am so angry!

I know the town that Chelsea is from. My ex-husband/ still friend/ daughter's father is from Poway. He went to Poway High School. I know the area well.

If a young woman can't even go jogging in broad daylight (Chelsea), if a teenager can't be guaranteed she will make it from her house to her school without disappearing (Amber), we should not be angry at the young women. We need to get furious with the predator first, and our broken judicial system a close second.

The courts need to stop releasing these violent predators- and start executing them. Period.

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What I expressed was only one facet of what needs to be done. Of course, I frikkin' agree that these monsters need to be locked up. I'm a rape victim. And I've been reading about these rapes and murders for years, and listed just a few of the victims that were attacked on jogging/hiking paths. I'm just as disgusted, grief-striken and angry as you all are.

Guess what? The monsters are still out there waiting for their opportunity. And all I'm saying is the opportunity is greater if you're alone on a jogging path. We have to try and protect ourselves because no one else is!

 

[Robyn623]

I know this sounds bad but I sure would have liked to write that graffiti on the house of the prosecutor.

This whole case makes me sick. To think that he might have taken Amber too makes me even more furious.

 

[cluciano63]

I know this sounds bad but I sure would have liked to write that graffiti on the house of the prosecutor.

This whole case makes me sick. To think that he might have taken Amber too makes me even more furious.

maybe i mis-read, thought it was JG's parents' home that was painted with graffiti...if it was prosecutor or judge...well another story...

 

[TheMentalist]

Had to turn off the computer last night and breath.

To What Mick "saw", can anyone that frequents the park answer-do homeless and/or runaways frequent the park? I remember early on people talking about encampments but don't remember if that was from a reliable source or not. It is very possible if it was that Mick could be seeing an old grave site from someone that is missing from a completely different area or maybe was never reported missing at all but had made this park home.

Is the area Mick is referring to in the search area that is blocked off? If it's not it is not likely that LE will go looking there on the "hunch" of someone on a website forum.

I spoke with Mick a few times in private message. He seems to be a very caring person and indicated that he may be picking up on Ambers energy as well when he visoned the resting place of Chelsea in the park. I hope that he is able to shed additional light if he envisions anything else regarding others who may have met a similiar fate in that area.

I know Mick is different and he is a new member to the forums just as I am. I think that is what makes WS so enjoyable with all the multi faceted people and what each and everyone of us bring to WS. I have enjoyed my short time with WS and look forward to meeting new people and making friends.

I guess Chelsea's ordeal really affected me. I have a daughter about the same build and she is beautiful like Chelsea and a loving person with big dreams and aspirations. It bothers me to know that Chelsea's parents wont see their daughter marry and wont hold a grandbaby...I feel so terribly blessed that I have had those things that all mothers/fathers have a right to have in their lifetime.

Someone mentioned planning a run for Chelsea. While I am not able to participate in such an event I would love to be a part of that if not just for support of her family. I think a tribute run through the park would be a great way to memorialize this fine young woman. I hope that if something like this is organized that there is plenty of notice so that I can make the trip and be present for this event.

The vigil that was covered on TV last night was remarkable and I could not believe the strenght of her parents in the face of such devastating news. They are remarkable people it is no wonder they had such a remarkable daughter. They have a hard road ahead of them and will need support of everyone.

 

[adpilove]

@adpilove would you happen to have a yearbook with his picture?

I do!!